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	<title>Comments on: Guest Column: Getting Obama&#8217;s Afghan policy back on track</title>
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		<title>By: LBK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2010/05/11/guest-column-getting-obamas-afghan-policy-back-on-track/comment-page-1/#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>LBK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 14:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Syed Faisal,

Typical Pakistani response.  It can be summed up such:

&quot;It&#039;s all India&#039;s fault.&quot;

Or if you want to quote Shaggy:

&quot;It wasn&#039;t me!&quot;

Is there anything Pakistanis will actually take responsibility for?  They&#039;ve mistreated minorities well beyond anything in India (how easily they forget that little business of genocide against the minorities of East Pakistan) and mistreat their own Kashmiris, but they&#039;ll go on and on to no end about Indian Kashmir.  They&#039;ll mismanage their water stocks and then blame India for not giving them enough.  They&#039;ll take tons of foreign aid from the West but then complain when the West insists that this money goes towards humanitarian efforts and to combat terrorism as opposed to fueling the sub-continental arms race.

This is Pakistan.  It&#039;s the national equivalent of a trouble-making welfare bum.  It&#039;s the equivalent of that neighbour on the dole who does nothing, collects a government cheque, then whines and complains about the help you do provide and ever so often tries to rob his hard-working older sibling next door.

Yet, Obama is focused on Afghanistan.  If he wants to fix Afghanistan, he&#039;s gotta start with Pakistan.  When Pakistani society creates individuals like Faizal Shahzad, who despite being in the US for 10 years, got radicalized, you know that something is very rotten in Islamabad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syed Faisal,</p>
<p>Typical Pakistani response.  It can be summed up such:</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s all India&#8217;s fault.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or if you want to quote Shaggy:</p>
<p>&#8220;It wasn&#8217;t me!&#8221;</p>
<p>Is there anything Pakistanis will actually take responsibility for?  They&#8217;ve mistreated minorities well beyond anything in India (how easily they forget that little business of genocide against the minorities of East Pakistan) and mistreat their own Kashmiris, but they&#8217;ll go on and on to no end about Indian Kashmir.  They&#8217;ll mismanage their water stocks and then blame India for not giving them enough.  They&#8217;ll take tons of foreign aid from the West but then complain when the West insists that this money goes towards humanitarian efforts and to combat terrorism as opposed to fueling the sub-continental arms race.</p>
<p>This is Pakistan.  It&#8217;s the national equivalent of a trouble-making welfare bum.  It&#8217;s the equivalent of that neighbour on the dole who does nothing, collects a government cheque, then whines and complains about the help you do provide and ever so often tries to rob his hard-working older sibling next door.</p>
<p>Yet, Obama is focused on Afghanistan.  If he wants to fix Afghanistan, he&#8217;s gotta start with Pakistan.  When Pakistani society creates individuals like Faizal Shahzad, who despite being in the US for 10 years, got radicalized, you know that something is very rotten in Islamabad.</p>
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		<title>By: Globalwatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Globalwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nikos,

Prof. Nikos, firstly, Obama was handed a pile of mess on his first day on the job, namely 2 wars and a crumbling economy.  In all fairness, I think Obama has handled the perpetual catch-22&#039;s that he has been given, pretty darn well.  His options are very limited and his margins to operate are very narrow.  All of this quagmire is the doing of the Bush Era, poor Obama has find a way to somehow start a clean slate with all of these perpetual wars and economic vampirism that has been tossed his way, first day into office.  Obama has not really even begun to implement his own policies, his administration is so burdened trying to rectify the follies and social welfare for the rich, brought about by the last administration, who started those wars to make the rich richer and make the banks richer.  Not Obama&#039;s fault.  Point the finger back at the predecessors.

@Surinder Puri,

True, the water shortages are the doing of the those who ran Pakistan.  While they were busy making weapons, nukes and training terrorists to use in Afghanistan using IMF and beggar bowl money, they did not care for their average citizen who needs a job, an education, standard of life, let alone the bare necessities of life, like food and water.  The PA and their puppet politicians shamefully and selfishly squandered the futures of their fellow Pakistani&#039;s to keep their grip on power, using India as a fictitious enemy.

Using India, Israel and America as an enemy is not going to quench the thirst and fill the bellies of 170 million Pakistani&#039;s.

One wonders if sense will ever come to Pakistani&#039;s once they are thirsty and hungry and look for all the answers to all of their problems within their own borders.  The answers and those who are the cause of ruin in their lives  are right under their noses, on T.V. and Radio every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nikos,</p>
<p>Prof. Nikos, firstly, Obama was handed a pile of mess on his first day on the job, namely 2 wars and a crumbling economy.  In all fairness, I think Obama has handled the perpetual catch-22&#8242;s that he has been given, pretty darn well.  His options are very limited and his margins to operate are very narrow.  All of this quagmire is the doing of the Bush Era, poor Obama has find a way to somehow start a clean slate with all of these perpetual wars and economic vampirism that has been tossed his way, first day into office.  Obama has not really even begun to implement his own policies, his administration is so burdened trying to rectify the follies and social welfare for the rich, brought about by the last administration, who started those wars to make the rich richer and make the banks richer.  Not Obama&#8217;s fault.  Point the finger back at the predecessors.</p>
<p>@Surinder Puri,</p>
<p>True, the water shortages are the doing of the those who ran Pakistan.  While they were busy making weapons, nukes and training terrorists to use in Afghanistan using IMF and beggar bowl money, they did not care for their average citizen who needs a job, an education, standard of life, let alone the bare necessities of life, like food and water.  The PA and their puppet politicians shamefully and selfishly squandered the futures of their fellow Pakistani&#8217;s to keep their grip on power, using India as a fictitious enemy.</p>
<p>Using India, Israel and America as an enemy is not going to quench the thirst and fill the bellies of 170 million Pakistani&#8217;s.</p>
<p>One wonders if sense will ever come to Pakistani&#8217;s once they are thirsty and hungry and look for all the answers to all of their problems within their own borders.  The answers and those who are the cause of ruin in their lives  are right under their noses, on T.V. and Radio every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashid Saleem</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2010/05/11/guest-column-getting-obamas-afghan-policy-back-on-track/comment-page-1/#comment-1635</link>
		<dc:creator>Rashid Saleem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pakistan is a nation of diversified people but not extremist. It is just a handful stupid gang who went out of their limits and destroyed the image of the whole nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pakistan is a nation of diversified people but not extremist. It is just a handful stupid gang who went out of their limits and destroyed the image of the whole nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sher Zaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sher Zaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 11:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the majority of the people living in Pakistan are peace loving but engagement of a hand full of people in terrorism related acts has put a bad name on our reputation. It is important for us to adopt a more liberal approach towards our relationships with the rest of the world in order to promote peace and harmony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the majority of the people living in Pakistan are peace loving but engagement of a hand full of people in terrorism related acts has put a bad name on our reputation. It is important for us to adopt a more liberal approach towards our relationships with the rest of the world in order to promote peace and harmony.</p>
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		<title>By: Surinder Puri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surinder Puri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 17:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radicalisation of Pakistan is still taking place and no one is turning off the supply. If anything, the Madrassas are getting stronger and new ones are still opening. The present generation is going to run the nation for another 30-40 years and the new ones will take over. This is not good news. If any Indian or Pakistani believes that Kashmir is the root cause of the conflict in Indo-Pak equation then someone needs to explain why all the Muslim nations from Morocco to Pakistan have disputes with their neighbous. After all USA, UK, Spain, France, Germany, Russia, Thailand, Philipines, China etc do not have a Kashmir Problem! I refuse to live in the La La land of giving Kashmir to settle the dispute with Pakistan.
As for the water problem of Pakistan, India needs to do a proper job of informing the world of the facts. Pakistanis are already beginning to believe that their problems of shortage of water and energy are of India&#039;s making. It is their own incompetence because they are not harnessing the water. Water will be the weapon in the hands of India to deal with Pakistan because they are already terribly short of water and it is not long before the masses will rise up violently against their own rulers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radicalisation of Pakistan is still taking place and no one is turning off the supply. If anything, the Madrassas are getting stronger and new ones are still opening. The present generation is going to run the nation for another 30-40 years and the new ones will take over. This is not good news. If any Indian or Pakistani believes that Kashmir is the root cause of the conflict in Indo-Pak equation then someone needs to explain why all the Muslim nations from Morocco to Pakistan have disputes with their neighbous. After all USA, UK, Spain, France, Germany, Russia, Thailand, Philipines, China etc do not have a Kashmir Problem! I refuse to live in the La La land of giving Kashmir to settle the dispute with Pakistan.<br />
As for the water problem of Pakistan, India needs to do a proper job of informing the world of the facts. Pakistanis are already beginning to believe that their problems of shortage of water and energy are of India&#8217;s making. It is their own incompetence because they are not harnessing the water. Water will be the weapon in the hands of India to deal with Pakistan because they are already terribly short of water and it is not long before the masses will rise up violently against their own rulers.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikos  Retsos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikos  Retsos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 14:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s policy in Afghanistan back on track?  Obama never had a policy in Afghanistan. He just sprinkled George Bush&#039;s policy there with a doze of high bravado, and expected the Afghan resistance to fall on its knees and cry uncle.  Karzai traveled to Kandahar recently with General McChrystal to gauge the local&#039;s feeling about the oncoming U.S. military takeover of the city from Taliban. He found overwhelming opposition
to the U.S. plan, and was forced to promise to Kandahar&#039;s residents: &quot;If you don&#039;t want foreign forces here, I promise you they won&#039;t come,&quot; on quote. But that is Obama&#039;s plan.  Can Karzai scrap it? 

Now Karzai is in Washington to do some explaining. But he didn&#039;t come here as a head of state, but as a U.S. viceroy in Afghanistan. Obama was not waiting at the airport to greet him, there was no red carpet, and news reports float that he is in Washington to be reprimanded and apologize for talking freely about Afghan war issues before clearing his speeches with the State Department. Karzai, therefore, is nothing more than what Fellipe Petain of the Vichy Regime was to  Germany in France in 1940-1944. A puppet of an foreign occupying force on a visit here to take his orders from Obama, and then go back to implement them - or lose his job, which is protected and funded by the U.S.

But in Afghanistan, Karzai&#039;s &quot;reconciliation&quot; with the Taliban is faltering because the U.S. opposes his
sharing of control with the Taliban, who, in turn, insist the U.S. &quot;must get out!&quot;  The U.S. prefers &quot;re-integration, which means &quot;surrender of the Taliban&quot;, and then a systematic clean up of anti-U.S. elements in Afghanistan to prevent a relapse. That is what the Soviet Union did with the installation to power of Babrak Karmal in 1979, whose secret police under Mohammad Najinullah wiped out all anti-Soviet elements - including Hafizulla Amin, a high ranking communist competitor of Karmal. Najibulla became president with Soviet support, but his regime didn&#039;t last, and the Taliban hang him publicly in kabul.

Would the Taliban fall into &quot;re-integration&quot; with Karzai&#039;s U.S. controlled regime, and submit to the same fate with those that cooperated with Karma&#039;s regime?  Only naive people would believe that, but Washington has many in the U.S. government bureaucracy. I predict, that when the war in Afghanistan is over,
there will be no Babrak Karmal-like pro-U.S. regime in Kabul. The Greek historian Herodotus once had a prophecy:  &quot;No foreign occupying power can retain control of a country forever against a hostile occupied population.&quot; That is what is happening in Afghanistan today, but Obama is terrified that unless he finds a face-saving way out of Afghanistan&#039;s war swamp, he may have to wave &quot;adios&quot; to his 2012 reelection bid. 
And of course that means thousands more of war dead, and more massive destruction in Afghanistan, just to
secure his re-election.  The adage &quot;power corrupts&quot; is the only reason the bloody war in Afghanistan is still
going on.  Nikos Retsos, retired professor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s policy in Afghanistan back on track?  Obama never had a policy in Afghanistan. He just sprinkled George Bush&#8217;s policy there with a doze of high bravado, and expected the Afghan resistance to fall on its knees and cry uncle.  Karzai traveled to Kandahar recently with General McChrystal to gauge the local&#8217;s feeling about the oncoming U.S. military takeover of the city from Taliban. He found overwhelming opposition<br />
to the U.S. plan, and was forced to promise to Kandahar&#8217;s residents: &#8220;If you don&#8217;t want foreign forces here, I promise you they won&#8217;t come,&#8221; on quote. But that is Obama&#8217;s plan.  Can Karzai scrap it? </p>
<p>Now Karzai is in Washington to do some explaining. But he didn&#8217;t come here as a head of state, but as a U.S. viceroy in Afghanistan. Obama was not waiting at the airport to greet him, there was no red carpet, and news reports float that he is in Washington to be reprimanded and apologize for talking freely about Afghan war issues before clearing his speeches with the State Department. Karzai, therefore, is nothing more than what Fellipe Petain of the Vichy Regime was to  Germany in France in 1940-1944. A puppet of an foreign occupying force on a visit here to take his orders from Obama, and then go back to implement them &#8211; or lose his job, which is protected and funded by the U.S.</p>
<p>But in Afghanistan, Karzai&#8217;s &#8220;reconciliation&#8221; with the Taliban is faltering because the U.S. opposes his<br />
sharing of control with the Taliban, who, in turn, insist the U.S. &#8220;must get out!&#8221;  The U.S. prefers &#8220;re-integration, which means &#8220;surrender of the Taliban&#8221;, and then a systematic clean up of anti-U.S. elements in Afghanistan to prevent a relapse. That is what the Soviet Union did with the installation to power of Babrak Karmal in 1979, whose secret police under Mohammad Najinullah wiped out all anti-Soviet elements &#8211; including Hafizulla Amin, a high ranking communist competitor of Karmal. Najibulla became president with Soviet support, but his regime didn&#8217;t last, and the Taliban hang him publicly in kabul.</p>
<p>Would the Taliban fall into &#8220;re-integration&#8221; with Karzai&#8217;s U.S. controlled regime, and submit to the same fate with those that cooperated with Karma&#8217;s regime?  Only naive people would believe that, but Washington has many in the U.S. government bureaucracy. I predict, that when the war in Afghanistan is over,<br />
there will be no Babrak Karmal-like pro-U.S. regime in Kabul. The Greek historian Herodotus once had a prophecy:  &#8220;No foreign occupying power can retain control of a country forever against a hostile occupied population.&#8221; That is what is happening in Afghanistan today, but Obama is terrified that unless he finds a face-saving way out of Afghanistan&#8217;s war swamp, he may have to wave &#8220;adios&#8221; to his 2012 reelection bid.<br />
And of course that means thousands more of war dead, and more massive destruction in Afghanistan, just to<br />
secure his re-election.  The adage &#8220;power corrupts&#8221; is the only reason the bloody war in Afghanistan is still<br />
going on.  Nikos Retsos, retired professor</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 14:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sayed Faisal: Don&#039;t forget that Pakistan Invaded an undecided Kashmir and prompted the then Maharaja of Kashmir to ask for Indian Help - and this constant harping on the right to self determination is as bogus as the Idea that led to the partition of the sub-continent - The UN mandated plebiscite had a pre-condition that Pakistan never honored - complete withdrawl of invading pakistani forces from Kashmir - as to water and other non-sense issues that you bring up - your own foreign minister has said that India is not stealing any water - so stop being such a tiresome moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sayed Faisal: Don&#8217;t forget that Pakistan Invaded an undecided Kashmir and prompted the then Maharaja of Kashmir to ask for Indian Help &#8211; and this constant harping on the right to self determination is as bogus as the Idea that led to the partition of the sub-continent &#8211; The UN mandated plebiscite had a pre-condition that Pakistan never honored &#8211; complete withdrawl of invading pakistani forces from Kashmir &#8211; as to water and other non-sense issues that you bring up &#8211; your own foreign minister has said that India is not stealing any water &#8211; so stop being such a tiresome moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Syed Faisal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syed Faisal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 11:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The heady mindset is developed due to denial of promised right of self determination to Kashmiris by Indian establishment. Otherwise nobody in Pakistan would like to have strained relations with India. If Pakistan establishment can forget Indian occupation of princely states viz. Junagadh and Hyderabad Deccan that initially acceded to Pakistan then as to why not they would like to have stormy relationship with India. Kashmir and now stealing of river water are core issues which is needed to be addressed otherwise people out of frustration would do prohibitive acts. Please remember &#039;human frustration&#039; are always behind any prohibitive acts. Nobody understands peaceful struggle. Indians are useful of dealing with Quaid e Azam M A Jinnah but such great people are no more in Pakistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The heady mindset is developed due to denial of promised right of self determination to Kashmiris by Indian establishment. Otherwise nobody in Pakistan would like to have strained relations with India. If Pakistan establishment can forget Indian occupation of princely states viz. Junagadh and Hyderabad Deccan that initially acceded to Pakistan then as to why not they would like to have stormy relationship with India. Kashmir and now stealing of river water are core issues which is needed to be addressed otherwise people out of frustration would do prohibitive acts. Please remember &#8216;human frustration&#8217; are always behind any prohibitive acts. Nobody understands peaceful struggle. Indians are useful of dealing with Quaid e Azam M A Jinnah but such great people are no more in Pakistan.</p>
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