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Denuclearising Pakistan

November 30, 2010

A woman walks past a Pakistan national flag on display at a sidewalk in Lahore August 13, 2010. REUTERS/Mohsin Raza/Files

At about the time WikiLeaks released tens of thousands of U.S. diplomatic cables, including one related to a secret attempt to remove enriched uranium from a Pakistani research reactor, a top Pakistani military official held a briefing for journalists that focused on U.S.-Pakistan ties.

Dawn’s Cyril Almeida has written a piece based on the officer’s comments made on the condition of anonymity, and they offer the closest glimpse you can possibly get of the troubled ties between the allies.

First off, as the officer says, Pakistan has gone from being the “most sanctioned ally” to the “most bullied ally” of the United States. Presumably the sanctions that the officer is referring to relate to those imposed  on Pakistan following its nuclear tests in 1998. And as for the most bullied ally the other comments offer a clue: 

These include and I quote from Almeida’s piece:

“The U.S. still has a transactional relationship with Pakistan; the U.S. is interested in perpetuating a state of controlled chaos; and perhaps most explosively given the WikiLeaks revelations, the “real aim of U.S. strategy is to de-nuclearise Pakistan.”

U.S. and Pakistani security interests aren’t the same including over Afghanistan and India, the military officer says. And while Islamabad understood America’s growing focus on North Waziristan, it had to first settle South Waziristan and also factor in the blowback any operation in the area would stoke. The officer intriguingly also talks about indications that parties in the conflict in Afghanistan can renounce al Qaeda and even ask it to leave Afghanistan. In other words he is suggesting  that the Taliban are  ready to break ties with al Qaeda  and if so that removes a big obstacle to peace talks.

But clearly the most significant revelation from the briefing which reflects  frank exchanges between the upper echelons of the Pakistan military and the Obama administration is the one about the the nuclear disarmament of Pakistan. There isn’t any further elaboration in Almeida’s article but taken together with the WikiLeaks disclosures  it seems to confirm the Pakistani people’s worst fears. America is on its borders and its overriding objective is to eliminate Pakistan’s nuclear weapons, its national asset and deterrent against much larger and nuclear-armed India. Indeed the whole idea that the United States has Pakistan’s nuclear programme in its sights just as it has virtually recognised India as a legitimate nuclear weapon state must rankle deep across Pakistan.

“The people of Pakistan measure the strength of U.S.-Pak relations on the scale of the U.S.-India partnership,” the military officer is quoted as saying.

According to WikiLeaks,  the United States has been secretly trying to convince Pakistan to allow it to remove uranium from a research reactor on fears it may be stolen or diverted for use in a nuclear device. But Pakistan has refused visits from American experts, according to a May 2009 report by former U.S. Ambassador Anne W.Patterson because “If the local media got word of the fuel removal, they would certainly portray it as the United States taking Pakistan’s nuclear weapons,” a Pakistani official told her.

The question is which reactor the Americans are talking about? Top Pakistani nuclear scientist Pervez Hoodbhoy thinks the report probably refers to the enriched uranium that Pakistan received under the Atoms for Peace programme that America  ran for several countries including India back in the 1960s. He told the Christian Science Monitor that the only reactor running on highly enriched uranium was a small 5mw facility at PINSTECH closed to Islamabad. Pakistan whose weapons programme is based on the uranium enrichment route rather than plutonium has since built its own capability. Any attempt to remove the uranium from that particular reactor is not going to impair its nuclear  programme.

Comments

Pakistan faces a certain level of existential threat from India, If Pakistan’s nuclear deterrent capability is neutralized that existential threat from India will significantly increase. Pakistan Army has always kept in consideration the level of existential threat eminating from India and has held the view that Afghan Taliban can be retained as a bulwark against India’s foor print in Afghanistan.
In this context, the doctrine of ‘minimum credible nuclear deterrence’ and ‘strategic depth’ in Afghanistan becomes even more valid. Pakistan is at the point of no return and Pakistan Army cannot compromise on these two issues. Knowing that conventional comparison with India is not possible, it is left to the nuclear deterrence to ensure the country’s very existence is never threatened by an emboldened India.
Pushing for Pakistan’s denuclearization (read deprive Pakistan of ‘minimum credible nuclear deterrence’) either covertly or overtly will throw everyone off balance. An emboldened India will be more opportunistic to committ aggression in times of crisis. As the balance of power is altered, it would destabilize the region further with grave consequences. As the stakes get higher and choices are made, it will be clear how things unfold. If there is any single thing that Pakistan would fight to the end, it will be its nuclear capability.
The sooner the US realize this and accepts Pakistan as a global nuclear power the better it is. Any other options do not look good.

Posted by Umairpk | Report as abusive
 

Not the right title or the right photo for the article?
@Umair
There is an imbalance between the elites of the military and the civilian Govt. in Pakistan. It will take a long time to correct it. People of Pakistan are the wealth of the country but their potential has never been exploited fully. Pakistan has of this day failed to make a Nation out of the colourful mix of people, with different cultures, traditions and background. What is the identity of a Pakistan citizen? The divides are too many now and with military in the forefront the society is very radical.

Is Pakistan Govt. in a position to provide security for all its citizens? These are very deep questions and it is becoming increasingly difficult for any outsider to understand pakistan foreign policy, since it has nuclear weapons. For example how come Pakistan is waisting its resourses on weapons and not trying to improve the well being of its people? Even the Poope commenting that christian minority was always mistreated in Pakistan. I know it is a lie, but the perception is that Pakistan Govt. is not giving attention to its minorities.

The USA admin. is no position to denuclearise either Pakistan or any other country. The USA is fighting for its survival as the leader of the free world and this is their main pre-occupation. Mr Obama has now a lame duck admin. for the next two years. There is only one option he has got left to get the congress behind him to start a third front for his military.

Pakistan Govt. need to follow a policy of self reliance and an independent, credible and transparent foreign policy! I guess this is too much to expect?

Rex Minor

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ZA Bhutto said Pakistanis would acquire nuclear weapons even if they had to eat grass. It appears he got both his wishes.

Hunger may be a bigger existential threat than India, and they should watch that. People can’t live on isotopes.

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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Umair,

I will not get into a discussion into the ‘existential threat’ from India, as I know we will never agree on this…..anyhow we agree to disagree.

Personally, my opinion is that as long as any country possesses a single nuclear weapon, and the US reportedly has over 12,000 of them, there is no way that others will not want to have them too for their own safety and security. Therefore for anyone to demand that Pakistan be denuclearised, is stupid and illogical. More so when those arguing for it, themselves have huge nuclear arsenals. We cannot have a world where some are recognised and some not recognised as nuclear weapons’ states – this is an absurd expectation.

That being said, I think the bigger anxiety is the possibility of nuclear weapons getting into the hands of terrorist, non-state actors and radical organisations. That is the real problem that everyone worries about. And in the case of Pakistan it appears that there is a greater possibility that it can happen as compared to other countries. That, to my mind, is the real issue.

That is what really needs to be addressed.

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Dara:
The fears you express have been surfacing over time, plz read the following from

PAKISTAN’S NUCLEAR FUTURE:
WORRIES BEYOND WAR
STRATEGIC STUDIES INSTITUTE (SSI) US ARMY WAR COLLEGE

“An Improvised Nuclear Device (IND), while clearly more
effective in terms of destruction than a Radiological
Dispersion Device (RDD), is more complex and
therefore a less likely approach. However, most of
the nuclear facilities around the world, including
in the United States, would not be able to provide a
reliable defense against attacks as large as terrorists
have already proved that they can mount.2 According
to the Lugar Survey, the possibility of a weapons of
mass destruction (WMD) attack against a city or other
target somewhere in the world is real and increasing
over time. The median estimate of the probability of a
radiological attack over 10 years was twice (40 percent)
as high as the estimate for a nuclear or biological attack
during the same period.3 Thus a strategy should reduce
the consequences of those nuclear attacks that are the
most likely and limit the probability of attacks with the
highest consequences.4
Given the above considerations, Pakistan’s vulnerability
to nuclear terrorism and the consequences
during movement of radioactive materials through two
possible hypothetical case studies are reviewed. The
first is a successful terrorist attack on Spent Nuclear
Fuel (SNF) during transportation and shipment. This
scenario is less probable because of expected physical
protection measures, and SNF shipments are not
anticipated in the near future in Pakistan. The second
is the more likely of the two, a terrorist attack on high
activity radioactive sources being transported within
Pakistan.
As the threat of global terrorism has grown, so
too has the Government of Pakistan’s nuclear power
program. Today it envisages an expansion in its nuclear
power program from its current production capacity
of 437MWe to 8,800 MWe by 2030.18 Besides nuclear
power plants, two research reactors, and one
commercial irradiation plant (PARAS) at Lahore,
numerous high activity radioactive sources are being
used for research and development (R&D), commercial,
industrial, and medical purposes. The vulnerability of
these facilities to nuclear terrorism cannot be ignored,
especially in the current context of Pakistan’s active
participation with U.S. and Western Allies in the War
on Terror.
Today, there are hundreds of tons of nuclear material,
not just in the former Soviet Union, but in dozen of
countries around the world that remain dangerously
vulnerable to theft. As a part of Nunn-Lugar and other
initiatives, the United States has secured 54 percent
of the buildings housing such materials, leaving still
substantial work needed to be done before the target
completion year 2008.19 Stocks of fissile material in
the United States, in spite of higher security measures
compared to other states, may be vulnerable to
attack because of flaws in protective measures.
—————————
The Pakistan Nuclear Regulatory Authority
(PNRA) has been applying stringent measures for
administrative and engineering controls over such
radioactive sources.
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In short, with multi-layer security mechanisms, physical security of nuclear sites, PAL(Permissive Action links) or electronic codes technology to ‘lock’ the weapons render them useless even if stolen, high level security clearence for personnel/psychological profiling etc ensure the safety and security of Pakistan’s nuclear program. Despite Pakistan’s repeated progress in the area, so far Pakistan has not been recognized as a nuclear power. India on the other hand have been offered a civilian nuclear deal, this is just biased. Besides, baseless fears about Pakisatn nuclear security do not help either, nuclear sites around the world are at similar risk of being targeted by terrorist. Why single out Pakistan?

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Pakistan needs nuclear wepons as a deterent aginst arch enemy india.It is a false propoganda that these arms are not safe.They are more safe than any other country in the world,say as usa,russia.The indian nukes are not safe at all.There have been sever security laps at indian nuclear sites.The world should worry about them than Pakistan.

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I do not believe that India has any gains to from being an enemy of Pakistan, though I must admit that most of the Indian leaders have been a pain in the neck of Pakistan leaders ever since Pakistan came into being. Pakistan civilian leaders on the other hand have been erratic and emotional in dealing with India. Why does Pakistan continue to have diplomatic relations with India,if it is of an existential threat to Pakistan?

Here we are in the 21st century and in the world of internet and wikileaks, and yet there are those who are hanging on to secrecy, machiavelli style of politics and deception even with its declared allies as well as its own citizens.

Transparency and honesty not deceit, peoples interest not personal gains, country’s interest not foreign interest should be the guidelines for country leaders. Those who do not believe in the call of the day should step aside or be sent into retirement.

We have had enough of Blairs, Bushes and disapointed with Obama the new God with the clintonians, who always knew what is better for their citizens than the citizens themselves who elected them into power.

For Pakistan, enough with showing niceties and paying lip service to the USA, which is economicaly and moraly broke in real sense. It is currently being administrated with a hoards of analogue advisers, some of them in eighties but most of them incompetent and no one better to replace him. I recall Opera’s words about Mr Obama; IS HE THE ONE? Well they had Colin Powel, Condi Rice and now Obama, who is the next saviour; Sarha Pellin? God help America.

For Pakistan the Gillani/Zardari outfit and the cronies in the Govt. have done more harm than providing any real benefits of a competent civilin Govt. They have almost ruined the credibility of Pakistan. If the guys are misfits then they should be decent enough to come forward, accept responsibility for the unrests in the country. Pakistan does not need another Bhutto, nor is able to live on grass, while the privlaged ones are having vacation homes in the UK and bank accounts in switzerland.

Pakistan must look inwards and sort out the mess it has created, not being able to provide security for its people but strong enough to destroy the remaining credibility of the USA forces. And strong enough to destroy any other potential enemy, instead of pretences that it can defeat the so called Pakistan Talibans.

Rex Minor

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@Rex Minor,

I agree the relationship is quite complicated between Pakistan and India, with Pakistan adding far more effort to retain existing complications than adding even 1/10 of that effort towards building goodwill, and trust.

If wikileaks is any indication, which suggests that Pakistan continues to support mumbai terrorist groups and 3 other militant groups against India, Pakistan is a more than willing partner to retain complications with India.

Lying lying and more lying by Pakistan is not the way to build friendships and trust.

The lying and extorting must stop from Pakistan. Liars will never win.

This eternal need to keep India as an enemy is a mental illness of Pakistan and this must stop.

I guarantee you, if pakistan stops full support of these groups, within a year or two, the two countries can be well on their way to going on with normal business and relations.

Wikileaks has made no indication of interference of Indian in baluchistan, alleged by many Pakistani’s.

So one has to ask, why is Pakistan insisting on supporting these groups?

As I said, this must stop.

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“Pakistan faces a certain level of existential threat from India, If Pakistan’s nuclear deterrent capability is neutralized that existential threat from India will significantly increase. Pakistan Army has always kept in consideration the level of existential threat eminating from India and has held the view that Afghan Taliban can be retained as a bulwark against India’s foor print in Afghanistan.”

–>Umair, you have disappointed me again, my estranged Punjabi brother.

You must stop perpetuating old myths and hysteria, that were not even true to begin with.

What moral ground will India be able to hold, if India did something so bold and wrong as to try to hurt Pakistan, for any unsubstantiated reason? Do you not think that it would politically divide India, given that India has a large muslim population? do you think that the United States would sit by idly, if India were just for its own interest and own sake, hurt Pakistan unprovoked?

Most of your country needs to undergo a psychiatric examination, because its apparent that nobody there is capable of really using their mind anymore. Everybody just believes fear and hate based hysteria, the political motive and power needed for Fauji’s to keep their jobs.

The lies and perpetuated myths must stop. They must end. God is privy to all of the lies. Pakistan was the aggressor and starter of each of the wars since partition, so any sensible person here knows that India IS NOT THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT!

The threat to all, is Pakistani unwillingness to unclench its fist and unwillingness to compromise or adopt another point of or evolve beyond its own hidden sense of historical shame and damaged ego, all of this is the biggest existential threat to the world.

Nxclear Armed nations should not be support militant groups and blackmail countries. As soon as you have done that, you have lost moral support for retaining this status, and superpowers will lose the stomach to tolerate states that dance with militants and preach wanting peace in the same breath.

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@Umair, I agree with you, Pakistan is responsible with its nxklear material and weapons, that is not the issue.

The issue is one of trust, one of shifting political alliances and the corruption liars that run the system. Even your best institution, the Army has shown time and again to be lying, making stories and undermining allies.

Again, the world is not worried of the safeguards, the world is worried because they do not trust Pakistan.

Trust is the issue, not security of the materials.

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@GW
Sorry, the time is past, Pakistan military does not have a year or two to wait for the grace of India. We are the dumb spectators to rely on political statements coming out from India, Pakistan and the USA. All the three parties are engaged in deceits and under cover operations against one another. Pakistan military has been supporting the so called afghan talibans who are resisting USA and Nato forces( says the ex ISI director on BBC) as well as those who are resisting Indian forces in Kashmir. It would seem from the leaked documents that the USA diplomats were fully aware of the complicated situation. USA has been running in paralel an under cover CIA organised operation in Pakistan territory. Not to ignore the Drones missions.

These are the classic conditions in which Pashtoons operate successfully. In other words, they must have convinced the pakistan military to let the americans operate on the Pakistan side of the border along with their drones instead of sending Pakistan military units. The Pashtoons know how to defend themselves in their territory.

Not a peaceful outlook for the people of the subcontinent.

Hillary Clinton foreign policy is in tatters. Deceit and insincere relations with its allies from Germany, Turkey to Pakistan!

No wonder the wikileak boss has gone underground, interpol is looking for him, now that his next leak is going to be about a USA Bank.

Rex Minor

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It is not so much about India being an existential threat to Pakistan. The underlying reason is different. Pakistan wants the nukes as a backing for its evil activities against India. It is like throwing stones into the neighbor’s house and bullying them. The neighbor is prevented from punishing by pointing a canon at his window. When India cut Pakistan in half in 1971, Pakistan went all out for nuclear capability to provide enough strategic cover for itself for its future plans on India. Pakistanis might be nice people, but its military is made up of warped individuals who have grown up looking at India as an entity that needs to be made to dance to their tunes. Nukes provide that capability to them. So if they trigger a Mumbai style attack using their non-state actor departments, India is unable to do anything. And that gives them as well as Pakistanis immeasurable thrill. India did punish Pakistan during the Kargil conflict. I

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Continuing from above..

India has kept its nukes to demonstrate that it has the scientific depth to match other countries in the world. It has also done the same thing in missile technology, lunar missions, satellite technology, biotech, medical area, automobiles, steel making etc. India has always wanted to be respected as a nation for its research and development depth. Nukes come from that stand point. In addition, they are China specific.Pakistan is most welcome to develop its nukes. But what has happened is its demonstration of irresponsibility in regards to proliferation of dangerous technology to rogue states like North Korea. And somehow it has decided that having nukes gives it the complete freedom to launch its proxy offensive using non-state actors against India. It is from this angle Indians would like to get those nukes out of Pakistan’s hands. The US has different reasons. Al Qaeda wants those nukes to use against US citizens. Some of the senior Pakistani nuke scientists have dealt with Al Qaeda in the past. In the case of India, a denuclearized Pakistan will not dare support terrorist groups aimed at India. No one is going to be able to remove the nukes from Pakistan. We will leave it to the Americans to figure it out, since it is under their blessings that Pakistan got to where it is. One day the US will pay a price for it and then will come after Pakistan. It is not a wish. It is a reality that is going to happen in the near future. Pakistan has not done much to clear out those volatile elements in its belly because of its India obsession. And those elements will hit the US one day. Then hell will break loose.

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Umair,

If I remember right I did read this report, perhaps on the net or in print, a few months ago or something similar anyway. Thanks for putting it here all the same.

While Pakistan is not the only country from where nuclear technology or material can be lifted, the fact is that internationally Pakistan seems the one most vulnerable and at more risk than others. Pakistan may claim it has made fool proof arrangements, it probably has, even the US has said it is satisfied that the nuclear arsenal is safe or adequately protected. Even so, doubts remain.

There are reservations the world over that there can be pilferage and leakages, maybe even from within. Unfortunately Pakistan has itself to blame because the world cannot forget AQ Khan’s activities. Most even do not believe that it was just him alone and that there was official connivance. So like it or not, that is the perception that prevails. It is up to Pakistan, if it wants to, to convince the outside world otherwise.

I can understand that once India went nuclear, Pakistan had to do something for itself. I don’t think anyone can fault that thinking, given the past. However, what people seem to have overlooked is that while Pakistan may have gone nuclear to safeguard against Indian nuclear capability, India in turn had what it considered a serious Chinese nuclear threat to thwart. India’s nuclear programme was initiated to neutralise a Chinese threat. That is why I said yesterday, it is stupid to expect and demand that some countries remain nuclear have-nots, while a few chosen ones safeguard their own security by declaring themselves ‘responsible’ nuclear powers. That is a farce.

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@Pakistan, Umair,

What is best for Pakistan, is to willingly denuclearize and declare itself as neutral territory.

It would not take long before militantism withers, once the nxkes are removed.

Pakistan can become a moderate, peaceful muslim country like Jordan, prosperous like Turkey and moderate like Egypt.

The nxkes that Pakistan has only brought militantism and more death to Pakistani’s and wars.

No progress has been made by having a nxke program, except placing temporary bandages on the wounds of a bruised ego….and a free reign to blackmail and extort money.

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It is best that Pakistan focusses on its best resource, its people, their education, living and advancement.

Heavy water and spent bundles will not fill their stomachs and neigther will grass or dirt, as the floods have destroyed much of that too.

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Battering poor Pakistan, how do countries like India trust US now?
Arvind Pereira
http://www.ArvindLeoPereira.co.nr

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DaraIndia:
“While Pakistan is not the only country from where nuclear technology or material can be lifted, the fact is that internationally Pakistan seems the one most vulnerable and at more risk than others.”

-Dara, here is the thing;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United _States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_incide nt

In the US back in 2007 there was an incident in which 6 nuclear weapons were loaded on a USAF B-52 bomber and left unattented mistakenly without reporting for 36 hours on the tarmac of the airbase without mandatory security precautions. Moreover, currently the massive disclosure of hundereds of thousands of classified diplomatic cables show that even a super power like the US is not immune. How do you compare Pakistan’s record now?

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Prasad:
“ZA Bhutto said Pakistanis would acquire nuclear weapons even if they had to eat grass. It appears he got both his wishes.

Hunger may be a bigger existential threat than India, and they should watch that.”

-Below is the answer;
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“The weak and the defenseless in this world invite aggression from others. The best way we can serve peace is by removing the temptation from the path of those who think we are weak and, for that reason, they can bully or attack us. That temptation can only be removed if we make ourselves so strong that nobody dare entertain any aggressive designs against us. Pakistan has come to stay and no power on earth can destroy it.”

February 1948, the founder of Pakistan Muhammad Ali Jinnah
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This pretty much sums up the origin of Pakistan’s nuclear quest. This country was formed to remain, not that every 25 years attacked by agressors and gradually cease to exist. We have witnessed restraint in times of crisis be it Kargil 1999, border stadoff 2001-02 Mumbai 08, it is too risky to attack Pakistan. While 1971 was an exception, after that the nuclear program was advanced rapidly and by late 80s Pakistan already had the bomb. Lets also look at Z.A Bhutto’s statement and in what context did he give it;

“If India builds the bomb, we will eat grass and leaves for a thousand years, even go hungry, but we will get one of our own. The Christians have the bomb, the Jews have the bomb and now the Hindus have the bomb. Why not the Muslims too have the bomb?”

-Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Pakistan PM (1974)

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There’s a strong case for the denuclearization of Pakistan & I’m glad that the US is making an effort towards that goal. The Pakistani State, is a proven proliferator of nuclear weapons (AQ Khan was made the scape goat but there’s no doubt about the state’s involvement). It’s the Headquarters for most Jihadi groups in the world & radicalization is on the rise. Senior Pakistani officials, politicians & intellectuals have acknowledged that there could be many rogue elements within the rank & file of the Pakistani military, who are in bed with various terror outfits.

All the talk about Pakistan’s nukes meant to thwart an “existential threat” from India is a bunch of nonsense, fed to the Pakistani people by it’s military establishment. The real reason that the Pakistani establishment needs it’s nukes, is to hold the world ransom & extort billions of $$$. The only reason that the US & the world are keeping Pakistan alive today, is because of it’s nukes & the Pakistani military establishment knows that too well. It’s analogous to a petty thug gaining “respect”, by getting a gun. I quote a senior US official with regard to Pakistan from yestrday’s Washington Post “If Pakistan had no nukes, we would have let it go to hell, a long time ago. They would have been no more important to us than Congo”

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ISI is a pretty mighty organisation! I know you guys have been writing about it and I thought it was nothing more than a paranoi. It would appear from the former ISI chief statement on BBC that Pakistan military is supporting the resistance groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan activities, including those Talibans who are resisting the Americans and nato forces. Gentlemen, the stakes have been raised now, not by Pakistan but by the american new Administtration.
According to Wikileak,USA diplomats are under orders by the new administration to provide intelligence about their allies as well as enemies. A warning to Indian and Pakistani leaders, they are all subject to blackmail in case they are having private affairs on the side. If the US ambassador in Germany can send a detailed life story of the German Foreign minister and his sexual habits I wonder what sort of info the USA ambassadors in India and Pakistan have written about the leaders of those countries. This is getting very serious fellows, more sinister than the N*kes.
Do not get excited about the few dollys of Pakistan which can be got rid of any time by using it against the intruders.

Rex Minor

PS In my estimates Pakistan is taking hell of a risk to allow the tranport of NATO supplies to Afghanistan! The Govt. of Pakistan should increase the fee to at least two billion dollars a year now that Pakistan needs to resettle its displaced citizens, due to war and floods.

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It Is Not The United States Or Even India That Are The Greatest Threat To Pakistan Instead That Threat OrginatesFrom The Islamic Insurgents And Insurgency That It Has Aided And Abetted Them And It For The Duration Of This Struggle Against Islam’s Satanic Legions.Of Course They Have To Turn The Blame For Their Own Stupidity On Someone Else. But What Can You Expect From Unmittigated Morons.

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@Mr Pereira

Good point, but do not worry!
Indian and Pakistani leaders have a lot of experience in this game. Remember Indian’s great friend and ally, the communist USSR? Indians now hate communism, I mean the majority of them and are now friends with the leader of the free world, the USA! Pakistan equally had a great experience with USA, who dumped them in trouble times and did not come to aid when Pakistan was under attack. Pakisttan not only turned towards china but also made sure that the freeze between China and the the old friend USA ends. Some of Pakistan leaders are friendly with Israel leaders, atleast in international public places, but in pakistan critise Israel’s actions against poor people of palestine. Now they are once again allies of the USA and still maintain very close relations with its ally CHINA. and covertly support the activities of the RESISTANCE.

TheyPakistan) have few long range and short range harmless weapons for the dooms days and it is making both the so called ally as well as the neighbour, despite the fact that both USA and India have enough N*kes to clean up the continent.

Rex Minor

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PS
Sorry Mr Pareira to disturb you from your rtatio analysis work. Tell us when your book is ready for publication.
Rex Minor

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@Umair

“….Pakistan has come to stay and no power on earth can destroy it.”
February 1948, the founder of Pakistan Muhammad Ali Jinnah

***I hear the same thing now. so it was started 60yrs ago. Not sure why.

“This pretty much sums up the origin of Pakistan’s nuclear quest. This country was formed to remain, not that every 25 years attacked by agressors and gradually cease to exist. We have witnessed restraint in times of crisis be it Kargil 1999, border stadoff 2001-02 Mumbai 08, it is too risky to attack Pakistan.”
***This also suggests the origin of Pakistan’s quest for nukes.

you know that Kargil 1999, border stadoff 2001-02 Mumbai 08, were all due to direct or indirect provocation by Pakistan. Why the logic is sitting upside down?

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Umair said:

> -Below is the answer;

You didn’t understand my comment, then.

There is no need to justify the acquisition of nuclear weapons. It is certainly possible to argue that nuclear weapons in the hands of both India and Pakistan now act as a deterrent to all-out war, and are therefore a good thing.

My point is that Pakistan should now have the confidence to pursue peace with India.

Let me make a deliberately provocative statement here. It appears Pakistanis are collectively stupid because they cannot change their strategy from “Kashmir first, peace afterwards” to “Peace first, Kashmir afterwards”. In the 62 years since the tribal invasion of Kashmir, the borders have not shifted. What is the chance of anything happening now? Zero. India is strong and getting stronger. What makes Pakistanis think India will give up Kashmir now? Pakistanis should concentrate on improving the lot of their citizens. That’s more important than harping on a single issue that isn’t going to get resolved. They should have the collective wisdom to set aside the Kashmir dispute and pursue peaceful development and good relations with India for a few years. Kashmir will sort itself out to the satisfaction of all parties after a few years of genuine peace. Currently, we have a state of constant tension, which is not genuine peace. The status quo does not benefit Pakistan at all. They need to break the impasse for their own sake. India is doing just fine under the current environment and developing quite nicely, so the ball is not in India’s court. In five years, the inequality will deepen in India’s favour and it will be even harder for Pakistan to negotiate on terms favourable to itself. Can any Pakistani see this?

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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@haymiedj
why bring Islam and satanic legions together!
Iranian shia clerk has given the satan title to the USA, its legions are now engaged in several parts of the world and has successfully destabilised the world!
The Sunni clerks are still deliberating on this issue! Being a non believer, You are probably not aware that there is only one Satan for the world. Islam is the religion of over a billion and a half believers and is the fastest growing in the world. Now be fair and tell us who is a moron? I am sure we do not want again the clash of civilisations, the crusaders were squarely defeated and let us not repeat the history again. Peace and Peace is what the people of the world want!

Rex Minor

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Peace first and kashmir afterwards is the same as peace first and palestine state afterwards, the slogan that Israelis leaders have been preaching for decades.

There is no peace and no paölestine and no kashmir! Let us pass the buck to the next generations.
Let India and Pakistan get its people out of poverty. Six year or less old Indian children were shown on the German television last night who are earning their livelyhood in the stone Industy. Their life expectancy is less than thirty years. NGO’s are discouraging the import of such products from India, Pakistan and Bangla Desh which employs children in the manufacture of the products.
You guys are living with illusions, Obama supports publicly India to have the permanent seat in UNO security Council and Hillary Clinton is making a mockery of such a wish. For God’s sake grow up, all your weapons were made for your destraction not for others!! This has been the the experience of mankind, we learn from history. People are the most dangerous species not the weapons, pray that the Pashtoons do not take the direction of Indian borders, India will have nothing left to be proud of, it is the fear which is not in the DNA of the Afghans! No offence, just the potential consequences for the crusaders. Let us not try to wake up the ghosts to life. Muslim invaders did rule the major portion of the world from India to middle east, north africa to spain, france. Austria, Buda and Pest and Balkans to central Asia.

We all want peace and let us try to find ways to peace. The road to war is uncertain!

Rex Minor

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Rex Minor:
“For God’s sake grow up, all your weapons were made for your destraction not for others!! This has been the the experience of mankind, we learn from history.”

-Rex, thank you for the reason and wisdom, indeed yours is a noble thought. But unfortunately in the subcontinent South Asia, the price of peace is nuclear bomb.

Mortal:
“There’s a strong case for the denuclearization of Pakistan & I’m glad that the US is making an effort towards that goal. The Pakistani State, is a proven proliferator of nuclear weapons (AQ Khan was made the scape goat but there’s no doubt about the state’s involvement). It’s the Headquarters for most Jihadi groups in the world & radicalization is on the rise.”

-Look Mortal, I understand the level of frustration people like you go through and I would not make it more miserable for you. What ever Pakistan’s nuclear proliferation record, Jihadism or radicalization that is a seperate issue. But as someone has stated, ‘we all can reach our dreams if we have the courage to pursue them’. If you intend to take out Pakistan’s nukes, why don’t you simply go ahead and try it? Let me see your dream come true, but as we all know that billions of $$, thousands of troops Killed, a decade of war and coalition of 50+ countries(US+NATO with all mechanized Army) next door in Afghanistan could not even subdue the Taliban. Just looks as though your chances of snatching Pakistan’s nukes are even more slim. But as I stated, until you try you never know if you will succeed or not. So the question is do you have the courage?
BTW lets get reminded what founder of Pakistan said in 1948, and i quote:

““The weak and the defenseless in this world invite aggression from others. The best way we can serve peace is by removing the temptation from the path of those who think we are weak and, for that reason, they can bully or attack us. That temptation can only be removed if we make ourselves so strong that nobody dare entertain any aggressive designs against us. Pakistan has come to stay and no power on earth can destroy it”.

Lastly, just keep in mind, we have no enmity with anyone nor any nefarious designs. We would like to co-exist in peace as long as you would like to.

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Prasad:
” It appears Pakistanis are collectively stupid because they cannot change their strategy from “Kashmir first, peace afterwards” to “Peace first, Kashmir afterwards”. In the 62 years since the tribal invasion of Kashmir, the borders have not shifted. What is the chance of anything happening now? Zero. India is strong and getting stronger. What makes Pakistanis think India will give up Kashmir now?”

-Prasad, we have no problem with ‘peace first Kashmir afterwards’ it is just a few days back when our foreign minister stated we would like to settle the Kashmir dispute with India. The leaked classified diplomatic cables from US Embassy Islamabad show the same story, US mediators, Pakistani and Indian officials all believe the only way forward is dialogue. What I also do not understand is despite in public both governments vow to settle Kashmir why there is no progress.
Having said that, let me tell you what is most dangerous about your line of thinking that since India is strong what makes Pakistan think India will make any concession on Kashmir. The problem begins when Kashmiri youth throws his computer log off from facebook and Youtube and finally decide to pick up an AK-47 assault rifle. If Kashmir erupts it will be a nightmare for everyone, you better not let it reach that stage.
In Palestine, Israel uses the same thinking, it has enough military power and thinks it can subdue and occupy the entire population. But that produced intifada and suicide bombers, today Israel is the most insecure psychotic nation, even a firecraker makes them run and hide in their underground bunkers.
It is only so long we can keep the Kashmir wound festering, the infection is already taking its toll, I am afraid a stage will reach when the part of that body will have to be amputated to save the rest of the body. But if we still do not realize, maybe it will become a critical life threatening situation. And the backdrop, India was a NAM country non-aligned, Gandhi championed non-violence and India is successful today because of its soft image around the world. Once Kashmir will erupt all that will change, the world will see the human rights atrocities and UN permanent member will be compelled to implement the UN security council resolutions. Think about, maybe you are wrong to put the blame on Pakistan. Thank you for engaging and keeping the dialogue going.

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continued…
Prasad:
The white racist regime in South Africa during the aparthied felt the same way. They were strong, they had a nuclear program, they had a strong military and during the bush wars they crushed the black liberation fighters.
But just look up ‘Soweto uprising 1976′ Soweto is a Township near Johannesburg, when it erupted against the aparthied regime, what started as students protests, eventually took down the aparthied regime and finally it crumbled. This is what happens when the youth of a nation stand up and put up a fight, not even the mightiest of Military stand up in their way. You must not remain under any illusion regarding Kashmir, I have spent holidays on Pakistan’s side Kashmir. These are wonderful people and a wonderful place like paradise. Hope peace prevails. If Kashmir erupts from within, that is when trouble will start for India. Not that Pakistan would ignite the flames of seething anger that already exists there. One odd incident of killing by Indian Army and a chain reaction could follow unfolding a catastrophic series of events.
I have also been to Johannesburg, Durban etc in South Africa, have seen Soweto and their musuems that depict their fascinating struggle for freedom. We can learn so much from history and not repeat the mistakes, maybe Kashmir’s turn has not yet come. But do we want to take that route? or address the issue. Maybe if Turkey and Greece can settle Cyprus issue, Pakistan and India settle Kashmir dispute. I think Turkey also settled their disputes with Armenia. Way to go.

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Prasad…
just finally, as you draw the parallels, aparthied South Africa was also doing pretty good. Cities like Cape Town and Johannesburg, Randburg and Sandton were like another New York. Hillbrow is a part of Johannesburg which was an up market area during the aparthied days before 1994.
Much like India is making progress today, until this happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej-KqF5CJ es

South Africa State of Emergency 1980′s

The rest is history. And worryingly the scenes from above are pretty familiar to what is happening in Kashmir today.

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Prasad my final words,

You are really playing a cat and mouse game here, you dont poke the Kashmiris hard enough, they haven;t yet reached their tipping point. Once they have had enough and finally rise, and if mistakenly you push them too hard. Then see what happens, say goodbye to prosperity and we will see scenes like, ‘state of emergency in Kashmir’ ‘Lal Chowk uprising 2025′ ‘Martyrs monument’ ‘sri Nagar massacre’. History will repeat itself, you just mark my words those who play with innocent’s blood never get away with it.

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Umair

Sorry to disturb your dialogue with Prasad but on the following I would like to add, it is already happening in Pakistan.

“History will repeat itself, you just mark my words those who play with innocent’s blood never get away with it.”

Peace!

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Rehmat

Thank you for the dialogue compliment, BTW I am not a fan of Bollywood nor do i watch it. Just a clarification, as with history repeating itself only time will tell. Surely there has been a lot of bloodshed orchestrated in Pakistan lately. Much of it has been stemmed and the culprits behind it are identified. You remain assured we will get at them. Now lets see how long India plays cat and mouse games in kashmir.

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Umair,

I think you are missing the point I am attempting to make. This is what I said:

“While Pakistan is not the only country from where nuclear technology or material can be lifted, the fact is that internationally Pakistan seems the one most vulnerable and at more risk than others. ………………… So like it or not, that is the perception that prevails. It is up to Pakistan, if it wants to, to convince the outside world otherwise.”

So let me try once more. What you have quoted is a very serious accident that very nearly happened and could happen again too.But look at the remedial measures they enforced and the disciplinary action they took and the other safety measures which were undoubtedly recommended. People lost jobs and command, now compare that with how AQ Khan was handled. The real issue is therefore of perception. It is all about how people perceive the situation in Pakistan – like it or not – that is a fact. The ball is in Pakistan’s court to change this perception, does it want to?

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@Umair
“Now lets see how long India plays cat and mouse games in kashmir.”

When even Brits could not play cat and mouse forever then how can India do it forever. Its fundamentally not India but the Nehru-Gandhi family that is playing cat and mouse. But yes since they are in power so it can be said that India is not wanting solution. On our part Indians need to kick out Congress and bring someone else, Nitish can be a good candidate (there might be more). Anyone but Congress. BJP quite contrary to apprehensions was very close to finding a solution. Atal Bihari was the one who invited Mushie to India. Whenever there has been congress rule in India, Kashmir has burned. These Congress b*stards need to be made to pay for these massacres all these years. As someone from the region you can quite easily understand the political situations, although to outsiders it may seem complex.

@Myra
Denuclearising Pakistan. What a rubbish write up this is. Even if US takes away all nukes of Pakistan then what is the guarantee that they will not acquire again. They can eat grass, thump their chests and make bombs again. Whats the big deal. What if China supplies fresh nuke fuel? Americans have gone mad.

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Umair,

My comments seem to have angered you. For that, apologies.

However, you show by your response that you still haven’t understood what I’m trying to say. Your response is still Kashmir, Kashmir, Kashmir. I’m saying you should be willing to forget Kashmir for a few years and pursue peace with India without making Kashmir a precondition. That’s what I meant by “peace first, Kashmir afterwards”.

Your comments prove my point that Pakistanis are unable to get out of the “Kashmir first, peace afterwards” mindset.

Regards,
Ganesh Prasad

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@Umair
I am sorry to say that Pakistan current civilian leaders are obsessed with India! They were never able to obtain a compromise from the Congress outfit before the partition and hence the separate state of Pakistan. Then how on earth they could come to terms with them now after having lost several military encounters against .

Kashmir is the issue and Kashmiris are responsible for their problems. Their lot is one of the finest and not used to violence. Compare the beautiful mountains of Kashmir with almost barren mountains of Afghanistan. They are not raised to take arms and defend their land. Let them approach the UNO route, a diplomatic path without the involvement of Gillani and Zardari gang. Tell me do you reckon Kashmiri leaders in Pakistan could handle this independently? Question, do you reckon that the Kashmiri leaders in Pakistan could take on this task at international level?

If I may suggest here, Pakistan Govt. should reset its policy towards India and adopt the position which most Arab States have towards Israel; No diplomatic relations!
Pakistan needs to sort out its domestic divisions in a peaceful and intelligent manner. There is a lot of work ahead and this be the priority and not Kashmir!

Rex minor

Ps
If Pakistan were to follow the advice of
the Indians on this blog and become even a demilitarised State, the India Govt. would demand varifications by the UNO inspectors.

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Pakistan has every right to pursue nukes and keep them. I don’t think Indians have problems with that. India went nuclear for two reasons – to contain Chinese threat and to demonstrate to the world that we might be poor, but we have tremendous potential to excel in all scientific fields. That was the drive during the Nehru/Indira days.

After going nuclear, India has not pursued a strategy of taking on China through proxy wars. There is no Jihad in Tibet, sponsored by Indian military against the backdrop of nuclear security. India knows that China will not attack India anymore.

Pakistan should have done what India has done – once the nuke technology was gained, it should have been rest assured that no one will dare touch Pakistan. Instead, it began to use the nukes as a back cover to launch a thousand year war, avenging Bangladesh, Khalistan, Taliban, controlling Central Asia etc. Kashmir Jihad happened immediately after the Soviet defeat. Pakistani army knew that India will not dare attack Pakistan ever. After that it has generated proxy elements which are trained at the commando level and is launching them into India on various grounds, Mumbai attacks being the last one. Then there are excuses thrown in for the actions – they are non state actors, Pakistan itself is a victim, Kashmir and so on.

On top of that AQ Khan factory began to sell nuke technology to anybody and everybody who was willing to pay up.

Pakistan’s nukes are being looked at with the same perception as that of a dangerously armed criminal. The criminal cannot feel thrilled that he is being respected. People around are being cautious. This is not the kind of respect Pakistan needs. Everyone would like to see the weapons off the hands of the criminal first. I don’t think Pakistanis are seeing this viewpoint. Every criminal says his life is in danger and wants to shoot anyone who moves towards him. Pakistani army has become a criminal organization. Pakistan first has to work towards changing that image with sincerity. Otherwise, the world will keep denuclearizing Pakistan in its agenda.

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Umair,

You’re getting emotional & defensive again. Let’s just leave this juvenile “I dare you” rhetoric for the kids. Neither do I have the power or authority to take away Pakistan’s nukes & nor do you have any to stop that from happening. Keep in mind that at the end of the day we’re just two ordinary citizens of our respective countries, expressing our views on an internet forum & not here to fight or defend anyone.
FYI, I’m not a diplomat in the current administration, to feel frustrated about Pakistan but I’m sure there are many diplomats, here & around the world who are very frustrated with Pakistan because after all, as Madeline Albright said a couple of years ago “Pakistan is an international migraine”.

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@Umair

“Thank you for the dialogue compliment, BTW I am not a fan of Bollywood nor do i watch it.”
***you are welcome, but I have no idea how Bollywood came into discussion. Do you watch Lollywood, BTW?

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@No diplomatic relation of Pakistan with India
***Does not much solve the problem if non-state actors (non-Kashmir-based) are killing Indians.

India-Pakistan need to build a healthy relationship since that is the normal thing to do.

Pakistanis do not appreciate the fact, mentioned by Rex, that Kashmiris are NOT violent people. Pakistanis just do not get it and think they share religion with majority Kashmiris so they must be able to shoot like LeT, who are Pakistani Punjabis. Umair perhaps has no idea how many UNWILLING Kashmiri youths from Azad Kashmir are pushed across the border.

There are 2 options for Pakistan: Give gun to Kashmiri youth and anyone who kills for K-solution (violence) OR solve Kashmir by talking (political solution). We know the answer of Indian govt/Army to the 1st option. Why not try 2nd option now. If Pakistan wants K-issue solved for real, why not Pakistan govt/Army shame Indian govt into talks. I do not think India can run away from talks. It is just that they have not been tried. Reason is FALSE EGO, nothing else.

Peace before, Kashmir solution later does not mean Kashmiris should sit in their homes and not protest. Why not Pakistan give REAL moral support to Kashmiris and aid in political solution? Even at individual level, I would not negotiate with my neighbor with gun in his hand, especially when he has attacked me few times in the past and got his as$ kicked each time. I see no urgency or position of weakness that would push me for negotiations.

Pakistan also cannot just simply hope for future to turn tide in its favor by comparing India/Kashmir to Isreael/Palestine, South Africa apartheid. There is a huge difference in 3 party situation where both India and Pakistan have not been innocent parties.

TALKS TALKS TALKS is the solution.

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@777
I agree that denuclearization talk is rubbish. Global denuclearization should be the aim.

The article is by Sanjeev Miglani, not Myra.

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@Umair
So far you have scored more points, but remember the mob on this blog is very professional and ruthless. Provocation is their weapon; they ask leading questions to trap the opposite number. Some are sicere but most are not serious.

Bon courage!

Rex Minor

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Rehmat:
“TALKS TALKS TALKS is the solution.”

-No sir, Talks without results is not any solution. I think we should leave Kashmir on its on, it will sort itself out on its own at its own timeframe. By the time you will realize your a$$ is about to get kicked, it will be too late then. I told you that was the mentality of the aparthied regime in South Africa. That is what the israelis think today, in both cases liberation was the result. If Kashmiris genuinely want liberation, no one will stop them. What is astonishing is your arrogance, and it is not surprising. You can take your time, sure there is no urgency but when liberation movements gain momentum they take down with them the most arrogant and mightiest regimes within no time. And I think Rex Minor’s suggestion is very right, we must break up all diplomatic relations with India. We have nothing to do with you, you can keep Kashmir for ever and live happily. Our aspirations are very different, we have our country and its share of troubles like everyone and a future to look forward to. You go your way we go ours. Building bridges and negotiations are required where there is a will to address problems, take corrective actions and confess to injustice of the past. But if we sit down to talk Kashmir, the rant is ‘Kashmir Bharat ka atut-ang hey’ so that means that is it. No more talks.
But I can tell you the cold war will continue, we forfeit Kashmir but there will be countermeasures in Afghanistan to curtail India’s footprint. That is what used to happen during cold war between US and USSR, no direct military confrontation but war through proxies. And mind you India is also aiding Brahamdag Bugti and Baloch rebels in Baluchistan. You guys are no saints as you potray yourself to be, it is only so much you can hide behind your soft image.

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Now they are on the run. The repeat of vietnam has commenced. The blame game is out. The Brits with the largest contingent in Nato are not upto the task, they spend most of the time in secured places and do not make contact with the civilians(language difficulty?).
one cannot have two Presidents in the USA. Hillary Clinton who ordered US diplomats to spy on allies and non allies including UNO. An earthquake in USA diplomatic relations. And Mr Obama who took over from George W as the chief of the military,too scared of the talibans to fly from bagram to Kabul and Karzai refusing to fly over to Bagram. Are talibans controlling the ground and the air around Kabul now?
No wonder ISI ex chief is saying they support afghan Talibans against the foreign forces. Good move to go on the side of the winner. I would do the same. I have no respect for the military which surrenders or escapes from the battle ground.

Rex Minor

Ps
Pakistan should hang on to its fire crackers, the drama in the yellow seas has not ended yet. I would not be surprised if the North Korean army walks over to its second half in night darkness.

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Rex

I learnt a German MP has called to kick out the US ambassador? European leaders have been depicted in bad light. I think there is more to come, so much for freedom of speech and 1st amendment of US constitution. A professor in Canadian university calls for Julian Assange’s assassination, on the contrary people of the free world are supporting Wikileaks. I think there is so much more to come, it is said truth always wins.

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@Umair

“No sir, Talks without results is not any solution”

***Avoid getting stuck with the words. I mean the same thing.

we will talk more when you are not this agitated. You decide to relax on Kashmir and propose cold war between India-Pak in Afghanistan.

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@”but there will be countermeasures in Afghanistan to curtail India’s footprint. That is what used to happen during cold war between US and USSR, no direct military confrontation but war through proxies”
Posted by Umairpk

Seems like you will NEVER learn. Here you guys are, having exhausted all your resources on “challanging” & sponsoring proxy wars in India for the last 2 decades and being kept alive by the IMF & global aid. Yet, you are talking about more proxy wars in the future!

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Rehmat:
“we will talk more when you are not this agitated. You decide to relax on Kashmir and propose cold war between India-Pak in Afghanistan.”

-No sir, we are already engaged in cold war in Afghanistan with Indian embassy bombed there and Pakistani Baluch rebels recieving weapons from India. This cold war will only further spread to Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc. We will talk when you will realize India is not that much strong. I told you we forfiet East Pakistan, we will give up Kashmir but will come at you from left right and center until you relaize your in a sh*t storm. That’s when you will truly know your a$$ is being getting kicked. And trust me, if we were to start exploiting India’s weaknesses you will come back into your senses pretty soon. Just remember ISI learnt ‘asymmetric warfare’ from the CIA. Operation Cyclone, Operation IA Feature, all it would take is to stoke the flames of Maoists insurgency within India. You will be holding tight to dear Kashmir, and India will be set ablaze from within. Even today a super power like USA is complaining that ISI supports Taliban in Afghanistan.

Pakistan’s ISI, a hidden, frustrating power for U.S.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69 721Z20101008

Better yet let’s sever diplomatic ties and just mind our own business. We really have nothing to do since our ways were parted back in 1947. As I said, just keep Kashmir and leave Pakistan alone. As for the future, things will happen randomly. Maybe it stays quite, maybe it get worse or turns into a full cold war. I also accept it will be not all that cake walk for Pakistan too. There will be heavy price to pay on both sides.

You stated
” I see no urgency or position of weakness that would push me for negotiations.”

-Just because you don’t see any weakness in your position does not mean you are not vulnerable. I will stop short of stating anything further.

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@Umair,

Before issuing hilarious threats of “setting India ablaze”, try staving off the failure, bankruptcy & disintegration of your country. This vain & empty breast-thumping might help your battered ego but it won’t change the facts. If you keep farting in the wind, it won’t matter to anyone else because at the end of the day, it will be you, who will have to live in the stench.

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