Comments on: In the U.S.-Pakistan fight, India an anxious spectator http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/09/29/in-the-u-s-pakistan-fight-india-an-anxious-spectator/ Lifting the veil on conflict, culture and politics Sat, 04 May 2013 12:41:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: aamadmi http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/09/29/in-the-u-s-pakistan-fight-india-an-anxious-spectator/comment-page-1/#comment-7390 aamadmi Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:03:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3433#comment-7390 given the pakistani hate against the united states go anabated, Indians should get ready for the pakistani punch in their rage against US whom they cannot touch but blame India for all their problems. given the pakistani hate against the united states go anabated, Indians should get ready for the pakistani punch in their rage against US whom they cannot touch but blame India for all their problems.

]]> By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/09/29/in-the-u-s-pakistan-fight-india-an-anxious-spectator/comment-page-1/#comment-7018 pakistan Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:07:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3433#comment-7018 Let us not read too much in day to day events recognising that international events overtake sometimes the well planned strategies and surprise even the most competent strategists and powerful player. Two vetoes were filed in the UN against the USA sponsored resolution against syria in the UN security council. This is a new shift in the balance of power and if I was the American President I would regard this more serious and failure of the state dept than the set back in Afghan war, miry relations with Allies including Pakistan and the fall of domestic economy. Perhaps the new spin or a genuine plot by the Iranians attempting to harm the Saudi ambassador, may provide the USA to lecture the world about morality in international behaviour. We in Europe are fed up with the over reactions of the Americans against criminals and continualy beating the war drums. They must stop their gang ho strategy.People of the world need peace to prosper and live a normal family life without foreifn intrusions in their domestic affairs. Rex Minor Let us not read too much in day to day events recognising that international events overtake sometimes the well planned strategies and surprise even the most competent strategists and powerful player.

Two vetoes were filed in the UN against the USA sponsored resolution against syria in the UN security council. This is a new shift in the balance of power and if I was the American President I would regard this more serious and failure of the state dept than the set back in Afghan war, miry relations with Allies including Pakistan and the fall of domestic economy.

Perhaps the new spin or a genuine plot by the Iranians attempting to harm the Saudi ambassador, may provide the USA to lecture the world about morality in international behaviour. We in Europe are fed up with the over reactions of the Americans against criminals and continualy beating the war drums. They must stop their gang ho strategy.People of the world need peace to prosper and live a normal family life without foreifn intrusions in their domestic affairs.

Rex Minor

]]> By: Abdul_Basit http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/09/29/in-the-u-s-pakistan-fight-india-an-anxious-spectator/comment-page-1/#comment-6994 Abdul_Basit Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:58:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3433#comment-6994 well, right now the problem is not who did what in the past, Yankees always played a double policy and they are so good in it, they never let anyone understand their plot. They actually used Pakistan and in such a way that not only their objective is accomplished but in the end they have betrayed their oldest ally. Now their stream is towards India coz they never want China to surpass them. Now they will economically stabilize India like how they did with Indonesia and Malaysia and Taiwan. But after a little time they will start asking them to fulfil their demands, they will pay them 10 rs and will ask them to do the work of 20, and the things they will ask them to do will slowly take away their credibility. Like in the past, 1965 war b/w Pak and India was a creation, then the partition of Pakistan and then the kargil issue and the nuclear race in the subcontinent. America knew that both india and pakistan have the bomb long before but it keeps ignoring, then why are they blabbing now. Being a Pakistani and seeing the conditions of my country, i am also very anxious abt the fate of all these nuclear devices. It is US that made the militaries of all these 3 countries including afghanistans that now they are states within the state. They cant be controlled by the democratic govts. Like the Kargil issue, PM Nawaz Sharif was in the peace talks with india while there was this conflict b/w the armies. If US really wanted to see peace in this region excluding India (as they are awared people now) it should help us bring good leadership, not the old faces and curropt politicians. The articles mentioned that Pakistan used their aid money in developing the nuclear devices, thats wrong, all the aid money is in the bank accounts of these curropt politicians, a recent report of GEO news estimated that over 90 billion$ are overseas in the banks of these ministers and senators, i dont think US has given more than that for both the wars, charlie wilson said that CIA paid 5 billion of the afghan war and since 2001 US has paid like 13 billion $ and the 1 billion per year educational aid. US knows where all the money is going and they are just using the name aid whereas this is a bribe to our leader. This is whats is making people to dislike America. Pakistan is a country that spends 60 % of its annual budget on the army and 2% on education and 4% on health budget. This is where a change can be done. Weapons of mass destruction wont give us anything. Today US is destabilizing coz they are making weapons there was a time when US used to make refrigerators and airconditions, the sandwich makers and the computers. That was the key to their success. I dont know where this world is going. plz do something to bring peace well, right now the problem is not who did what in the past, Yankees always played a double policy and they are so good in it, they never let anyone understand their plot. They actually used Pakistan and in such a way that not only their objective is accomplished but in the end they have betrayed their oldest ally. Now their stream is towards India coz they never want China to surpass them. Now they will economically stabilize India like how they did with Indonesia and Malaysia and Taiwan. But after a little time they will start asking them to fulfil their demands, they will pay them 10 rs and will ask them to do the work of 20, and the things they will ask them to do will slowly take away their credibility. Like in the past, 1965 war b/w Pak and India was a creation, then the partition of Pakistan and then the kargil issue and the nuclear race in the subcontinent. America knew that both india and pakistan have the bomb long before but it keeps ignoring, then why are they blabbing now. Being a Pakistani and seeing the conditions of my country, i am also very anxious abt the fate of all these nuclear devices. It is US that made the militaries of all these 3 countries including afghanistans that now they are states within the state. They cant be controlled by the democratic govts. Like the Kargil issue, PM Nawaz Sharif was in the peace talks with india while there was this conflict b/w the armies. If US really wanted to see peace in this region excluding India (as they are awared people now) it should help us bring good leadership, not the old faces and curropt politicians. The articles mentioned that Pakistan used their aid money in developing the nuclear devices, thats wrong, all the aid money is in the bank accounts of these curropt politicians, a recent report of GEO news estimated that over 90 billion$ are overseas in the banks of these ministers and senators, i dont think US has given more than that for both the wars, charlie wilson said that CIA paid 5 billion of the afghan war and since 2001 US has paid like 13 billion $ and the 1 billion per year educational aid. US knows where all the money is going and they are just using the name aid whereas this is a bribe to our leader. This is whats is making people to dislike America. Pakistan is a country that spends 60 % of its annual budget on the army and 2% on education and 4% on health budget. This is where a change can be done. Weapons of mass destruction wont give us anything. Today US is destabilizing coz they are making weapons there was a time when US used to make refrigerators and airconditions, the sandwich makers and the computers. That was the key to their success. I dont know where this world is going. plz do something to bring peace

]]> By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/09/29/in-the-u-s-pakistan-fight-india-an-anxious-spectator/comment-page-1/#comment-6979 pakistan Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:38:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3433#comment-6979 correction,raped in modern times first by the Brits, then by the USSR and lastly by the yanks and NATO, the former colonialists, Rex Minor correction,raped in modern times first by the Brits, then by the USSR and lastly by the yanks and NATO, the former colonialists,

Rex Minor

]]> By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/09/29/in-the-u-s-pakistan-fight-india-an-anxious-spectator/comment-page-1/#comment-6978 pakistan Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:33:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3433#comment-6978 @Yousafzai stop singing the brotherhood song whic Mr Karzai is cnstanzly singing about Pakistanis. Pashtuns have no brothers and they are used to eliminating their cousins. Pahtunwali and the code of honour is in their DNA before they accepted Islam. This alone has determined their destiny throughout history. And please stop playing the game of one against the other. Neither India nor Pakistan are the partners of Pashtun Afghans. Let them determine their future destiny after having your territory being raped in modern times first by the Brits then by the USA and lastly by the Yanks and the former colonialists. Talk is very cheap and what ever woodrow wilson institute and Mr Brezinski is a lot of crap, non sense and irrelevant. Pashtuns in now Pakhtoohwa have lost their dignity for associating with non Pashtuns of Pakistan and then in Afghanistan, not because of sinister conspiricy or any malice but simply because of disunity and the faults of Pashtuns themselves. Pashtuns have always determined their own future as on Nation and not as militants or non militants, religious or non religious humbug. Like Hamid arzai said once that on both sides of the border Pashtun muslims are dying. Rex Minor @Yousafzai
stop singing the brotherhood song whic Mr Karzai is cnstanzly singing about Pakistanis. Pashtuns have no brothers and they are used to eliminating their cousins. Pahtunwali and the code of honour is in their DNA before they accepted Islam. This alone has determined their destiny throughout history. And please stop playing the game of one against the other. Neither India nor Pakistan are the partners of Pashtun Afghans. Let them determine their future destiny after having your territory being raped in modern times first by the Brits then by the USA and lastly by the Yanks and the former colonialists.

Talk is very cheap and what ever woodrow wilson institute and Mr Brezinski is a lot of crap, non sense and irrelevant.
Pashtuns in now Pakhtoohwa have lost their dignity for associating with non Pashtuns of Pakistan and then in Afghanistan, not because of sinister conspiricy or any malice but simply because of disunity and the faults of Pashtuns themselves. Pashtuns have always determined their own future as on Nation and not as militants or non militants, religious or non religious humbug.
Like Hamid arzai said once that on both sides of the border Pashtun muslims are dying.

Rex Minor

]]> By: Yosefzai http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/09/29/in-the-u-s-pakistan-fight-india-an-anxious-spectator/comment-page-1/#comment-6932 Yosefzai Thu, 06 Oct 2011 22:02:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3433#comment-6932 In reference to India/Pak relationship most of the unjust actions of Pak are known however in case of Afghanistan; Pak destroyed that country under the cover of a Muslim brotherhood. To keep the pashtuns of Khyber Pakhtukhwa under occupation Pak wanted to weaken Afg from within. Khyber Bakhtunkhwa was actually Afghanistan and was occupied by British and was declared part of Pak after the partition (see Durand Line). In 1972 Pak started forming training camps and used some religious Afghan individuals like Gulbudin, Masoud, Rabani, Sayaf, Khalis. In 1974 these people launched a failed coup. In 1978 a ferocious pro-soviet regime came to power in Afg. To escape its ferocity most Afghans took refuge in Pak. The ISI and CIA used that opportunity and further enhanced those training camps creating so much turbulence in southern border of Russia that it eventfully made the Russians deploy troops into Afg resulting in several million deaths/ refugee. Pak trough those religious figures living in Pak provoked a war or Jihad. According to documents revealed now by Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars; if it wasn’t because of CIA and ISI sensationalizing the cause of jihad; the regime of Traki/Amin would have collapsed in a couple of years due to their own internal problems (see Inside the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan and the Seizure of Kabul, also see The KGB in Afghanistan, or Documents on the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan e-Dossier No. 4) available for free from CWIHP website. These doc reveal that Russian never wanted to go to Afg or to stay there. As per US State Secrt Berezniki “we induced the Russian invasion to give them their Vietnam”. Therefore making that war unnecessary, in fact the Russian proposed safe withdrawal of its troops in 1982 and again in 1986 but as per Brzezinski “we wanted them to bleed and bleed more”. According to Mujahedeen commanders during the Russian war; Pak officers persistently were issuing orders to destroy dams, bridges and infrastructures. During the 10 years of war with Russia Pak was given billions of dollars to help Afghans however they used most of that money to rebuild Pak and develop nuclear weapon. Until today a major part of Pak’s budget is coming from Afg related conflicts. In 80s & 90s; Pakis kept the Afghan orphans in Madrasa brainwashed them and created Taliban out of them. In Pak there are 13000 madrasas if each produces 1 extremist we will have 13000 extremist per year. During the Taliban Pak was interested in destroying the military system in Afg. In fact by 1996 there was virtually no army or military or a single soldier. In the past 10 years Pak has received billions of dollars to stop the terrorism but the ISI further strengthen them. As long as there is war in Afg; Pak receives money therefore it prolongs the war. They have done all of the above under the name of Muslim brother and friend. It is time for Indians and Afghans to work closely and safeguard their countries from destruction. In reference to India/Pak relationship most of the unjust actions of Pak are known however in case of Afghanistan; Pak destroyed that country under the cover of a Muslim brotherhood. To keep the pashtuns of Khyber Pakhtukhwa under occupation Pak wanted to weaken Afg from within. Khyber Bakhtunkhwa was actually Afghanistan and was occupied by British and was declared part of Pak after the partition (see Durand Line). In 1972 Pak started forming training camps and used some religious Afghan individuals like Gulbudin, Masoud, Rabani, Sayaf, Khalis. In 1974 these people launched a failed coup. In 1978 a ferocious pro-soviet regime came to power in Afg. To escape its ferocity most Afghans took refuge in Pak. The ISI and CIA used that opportunity and further enhanced those training camps creating so much turbulence in southern border of Russia that it eventfully made the Russians deploy troops into Afg resulting in several million deaths/ refugee. Pak trough those religious figures living in Pak provoked a war or Jihad. According to documents revealed now by Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars; if it wasn’t because of CIA and ISI sensationalizing the cause of jihad; the regime of Traki/Amin would have collapsed in a couple of years due to their own internal problems (see Inside the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan and the Seizure of Kabul, also see The KGB in Afghanistan, or Documents on the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan e-Dossier No. 4) available for free from CWIHP website. These doc reveal that Russian never wanted to go to Afg or to stay there. As per US State Secrt Berezniki “we induced the Russian invasion to give them their Vietnam”. Therefore making that war unnecessary, in fact the Russian proposed safe withdrawal of its troops in 1982 and again in 1986 but as per Brzezinski “we wanted them to bleed and bleed more”. According to Mujahedeen commanders during the Russian war; Pak officers persistently were issuing orders to destroy dams, bridges and infrastructures. During the 10 years of war with Russia Pak was given billions of dollars to help Afghans however they used most of that money to rebuild Pak and develop nuclear weapon. Until today a major part of Pak’s budget is coming from Afg related conflicts. In 80s & 90s; Pakis kept the Afghan orphans in Madrasa brainwashed them and created Taliban out of them. In Pak there are 13000 madrasas if each produces 1 extremist we will have 13000 extremist per year. During the Taliban Pak was interested in destroying the military system in Afg. In fact by 1996 there was virtually no army or military or a single soldier. In the past 10 years Pak has received billions of dollars to stop the terrorism but the ISI further strengthen them. As long as there is war in Afg; Pak receives money therefore it prolongs the war. They have done all of the above under the name of Muslim brother and friend. It is time for Indians and Afghans to work closely and safeguard their countries from destruction.

]]> By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/09/29/in-the-u-s-pakistan-fight-india-an-anxious-spectator/comment-page-1/#comment-6929 pakistan Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:49:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3433#comment-6929 A great triumph for clintonians to provoke two vetoes in the security council. Is this the beginning of two super powers ganging up against the Imperial power? Indian wolves coming closer looking for the left over bones? Karzai is a fool to look for asylum in India? Those who are weak has no place in Afghanistan. Rex Minor A great triumph for clintonians to provoke two vetoes in the security council. Is this the beginning of two super powers ganging up against the Imperial power? Indian wolves coming closer looking for the left over bones?

Karzai is a fool to look for asylum in India? Those who are weak has no place in Afghanistan.

Rex Minor

]]> By: 007XXX http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/09/29/in-the-u-s-pakistan-fight-india-an-anxious-spectator/comment-page-1/#comment-6928 007XXX Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:05:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3433#comment-6928 India an anxious spectator - Really? http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2512682.ece?homepage=true Afghans want India to train their forces. Will Pakistan and all the terrorist sympathizers learn something now? Or will the morons continue to issue decrees against non-believers? India an anxious spectator – Really?

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ar ticle2512682.ece?homepage=true

Afghans want India to train their forces. Will Pakistan and all the terrorist sympathizers learn something now? Or will the morons continue to issue decrees against non-believers?

]]> By: Mortal1 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/09/29/in-the-u-s-pakistan-fight-india-an-anxious-spectator/comment-page-1/#comment-6926 Mortal1 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:55:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3433#comment-6926 Looks like someone is still pissed off at the recent drone strike which killed the hate preaching Al Qaeda terrorist holed up in Syria. It's funny, how these terrorist sympathizers never talk about "democracy" or "extra judicial killings" when their brothers are blowing up innocent civilians of other faiths. Looks like someone is still pissed off at the recent drone strike which killed the hate preaching Al Qaeda terrorist holed up in Syria. It’s funny, how these terrorist sympathizers never talk about “democracy” or “extra judicial killings” when their brothers are blowing up innocent civilians of other faiths.

]]> By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/09/29/in-the-u-s-pakistan-fight-india-an-anxious-spectator/comment-page-1/#comment-6921 pakistan Mon, 03 Oct 2011 22:43:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3433#comment-6921 The super power do no longer need the super marines to fight wars, they are down to mafia tactics using drones to carry out target assasinations and extra judicial illings. What a tragedy for the civilised world to watch the land, which until recently boasted about democracy and rule of law, to go down in such a manner. Rex Minor The super power do no longer need the super marines to fight wars, they are down to mafia tactics using drones to carry out target assasinations and extra judicial illings. What a tragedy for the civilised world to watch the land, which until recently boasted about democracy and rule of law, to go down in such a manner.

Rex Minor

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