Comments on: Pakistan and Afghanistan, spoiling for a full-blown fight ? http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/10/10/pakistan-and-afghanistan-spoiling-for-a-full-blown-fight/ Lifting the veil on conflict, culture and politics Sat, 04 May 2013 12:41:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Abdul_Basit http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/10/10/pakistan-and-afghanistan-spoiling-for-a-full-blown-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-7022 Abdul_Basit Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:38:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3452#comment-7022 As far as Af-Pak relations are concerned, its not a big deal for US to make it better, why they are making these two countries hostile. I think just a one week session of discussion could lead to some place good. Why do all the countries have to fight each other to find a solution. I am amazed that Indian and Pakistani army are on top 4th and 5th place in the top ten biggest armies. Now i can see afghanistan competing these two. When there are weapons there definitely is a war. Somebody (some country) please stop them from developing weapons and show them the bright side. As far as Af-Pak relations are concerned, its not a big deal for US to make it better, why they are making these two countries hostile. I think just a one week session of discussion could lead to some place good. Why do all the countries have to fight each other to find a solution. I am amazed that Indian and Pakistani army are on top 4th and 5th place in the top ten biggest armies. Now i can see afghanistan competing these two. When there are weapons there definitely is a war. Somebody (some country) please stop them from developing weapons and show them the bright side.

]]> By: Abdul_Basit http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/10/10/pakistan-and-afghanistan-spoiling-for-a-full-blown-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-7021 Abdul_Basit Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:32:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3452#comment-7021 US was a great country, it was the country that has helped others when they are in trouble, by paying money and resources. But since the govt got the trust of their people and since the american people stopped questioning them. The govt and those running it became the only beneficiaries of the reaping, that are earned by the people after years of effort. What they only need right now is limiting their imports, this will initially cause the prices to peak but it will eventually keep people from buying them, and then only the people will realize that there are thing that are not necessity and they can live without them, thats the only thing that can help US from draining its money to international markets. I have been shouting on the blogs and websites for years that americans should save their money. they should learn to save. Their govt has started so many wars at different fronts that the govt is loosing all its money in the battlefield, atleast the americans should have theirs, instead of depositing them in the overseas accounts of apple, microsoft and other big corps. concerns for US regards, Dr. Abdul Basit US was a great country, it was the country that has helped others when they are in trouble, by paying money and resources. But since the govt got the trust of their people and since the american people stopped questioning them. The govt and those running it became the only beneficiaries of the reaping, that are earned by the people after years of effort. What they only need right now is limiting their imports, this will initially cause the prices to peak but it will eventually keep people from buying them, and then only the people will realize that there are thing that are not necessity and they can live without them, thats the only thing that can help US from draining its money to international markets. I have been shouting on the blogs and websites for years that americans should save their money. they should learn to save. Their govt has started so many wars at different fronts that the govt is loosing all its money in the battlefield, atleast the americans should have theirs, instead of depositing them in the overseas accounts of apple, microsoft and other big corps.

concerns for US

regards,
Dr. Abdul Basit

]]> By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/10/10/pakistan-and-afghanistan-spoiling-for-a-full-blown-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-7017 pakistan Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:32:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3452#comment-7017 The USA has lost the moral compass, there are no more leaders or potential leaders around who have a vision for the young Nation which became a super power. It is sad but the course it is now embarked does not reflect the dream of Dr king or Bobby kennedy. It is going back to mafiosi style using tortures, extra judicial assasinations and the use of drones on civilians in foreign countries. Rex Minor The USA has lost the moral compass, there are no more leaders or potential leaders around who have a vision for the young Nation which became a super power.

It is sad but the course it is now embarked does not reflect the dream of Dr king or Bobby kennedy. It is going back to mafiosi style using tortures, extra judicial assasinations and the use of drones on civilians in foreign countries.

Rex Minor

]]> By: NeverSurrender http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/10/10/pakistan-and-afghanistan-spoiling-for-a-full-blown-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-7016 NeverSurrender Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:10:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3452#comment-7016 Though I do respect the intelligent opinions of the others who have posted, I do not think that violence without dialogue is the answer. Pakistan and Afghanistan have much more in common than differences except in the extremism that exists in both countries. If extremism rules, then intelligence does not and dialogue is only in the form of bombs, suicides, death, and it is always the innocents who pay the price. Dialogue is silenced when others are coerced to keep silent and "obey" someone else's belief's whether it is from "god" they believe in or their personal or tribe's agenda which is usually money or honor. Agenda's other than peace are for the benefit of the few and not for life and freedom from oppression to all the people. Both sides have their faults that can easily be pointed out in truth. But it is not the differences but the commonality that must first be approached and then reconciliation can begin. Guns and bombs first is not how to make "friends" or "brothers" but is the way to bury the innocent and the "brainwashed" while sowing the seeds of mutual destruction. A life in fear is a life in "hell". Yet, that is what the road that is currently traveled is heading - straight to that which none wish. I do not advocate surrender of one to another in the form of forced slavery in fear. Do not fear but be wise and truthful while cautious in dealing with an adversary so that you may win them in reconciliation to be your partner and not your enemy. Though I do respect the intelligent opinions of the others who have posted, I do not think that violence without dialogue is the answer. Pakistan and Afghanistan have much more in common than differences except in the extremism that exists in both countries. If extremism rules, then intelligence does not and dialogue is only in the form of bombs, suicides, death, and it is always the innocents who pay the price. Dialogue is silenced when others are coerced to keep silent and “obey” someone else’s belief’s whether it is from “god” they believe in or their personal or tribe’s agenda which is usually money or honor. Agenda’s other than peace are for the benefit of the few and not for life and freedom from oppression to all the people.

Both sides have their faults that can easily be pointed out in truth. But it is not the differences but the commonality that must first be approached and then reconciliation can begin. Guns and bombs first is not how to make “friends” or “brothers” but is the way to bury the innocent and the “brainwashed” while sowing the seeds of mutual destruction.

A life in fear is a life in “hell”. Yet, that is what the road that is currently traveled is heading – straight to that which none wish.

I do not advocate surrender of one to another in the form of forced slavery in fear. Do not fear but be wise and truthful while cautious in dealing with an adversary so that you may win them in reconciliation to be your partner and not your enemy.

]]> By: Abdul_Basit http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/10/10/pakistan-and-afghanistan-spoiling-for-a-full-blown-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-7011 Abdul_Basit Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:14:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3452#comment-7011 Well after all these years, now i can say that 9/11 and rest everything was a plot to isolate Pakistan, first by engaging Pakistan and forcing it to go on a war against the US created talibans, then they created an anti-Pakistan govt there forming its alliance with the anti-Pakistan country India and made Pakistan a Sandwich, now the western borders of Pakistan are not safe. US then shifted sides and I think US will now ask both the countries to wage a war against Pakistan. If this is not a planning to destroy Pakistans nuclear assets then what is it. In the ending phase of this war against terrorism US backed off and started posing as if its going in ressession and stopped all the war aid to economically destabilize Pakistan. Its again a US dual policy, when Pakistan did so much for those afghans then why in the end the afghans are turning against Pakistan. They should not forget that if they got freedom its because of Pakistan. US has a strong history to show back to their allies. Well after all these years, now i can say that 9/11 and rest everything was a plot to isolate Pakistan, first by engaging Pakistan and forcing it to go on a war against the US created talibans, then they created an anti-Pakistan govt there forming its alliance with the anti-Pakistan country India and made Pakistan a Sandwich, now the western borders of Pakistan are not safe. US then shifted sides and I think US will now ask both the countries to wage a war against Pakistan. If this is not a planning to destroy Pakistans nuclear assets then what is it. In the ending phase of this war against terrorism US backed off and started posing as if its going in ressession and stopped all the war aid to economically destabilize Pakistan. Its again a US dual policy, when Pakistan did so much for those afghans then why in the end the afghans are turning against Pakistan. They should not forget that if they got freedom its because of Pakistan. US has a strong history to show back to their allies.

]]> By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/10/10/pakistan-and-afghanistan-spoiling-for-a-full-blown-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-6976 pakistan Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:29:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3452#comment-6976 There are no militants on either side of the borde! Pashtun live on both sides of the border and the durand line drawn by the Brits is irrelevant and rightly not recognised by any Afghan Govt. Reconciliation is the call of our times and this can only occur when foreigners leave Afghanistan. The problem is that there are no more employment opportunities for the vetrans back home, Mr Obama is pleading but the congress is not yet playing the ball. Rex Minor Rex Minor There are no militants on either side of the borde! Pashtun live on both sides of the border and the durand line drawn by the Brits is irrelevant and rightly not recognised by any Afghan Govt. Reconciliation is the call of our times and this can only occur when foreigners leave Afghanistan. The problem is that there are no more employment opportunities for the vetrans back home, Mr Obama is pleading but the congress is not yet playing the ball.

Rex Minor
Rex Minor

]]> By: pakistan http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/10/10/pakistan-and-afghanistan-spoiling-for-a-full-blown-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-6975 pakistan Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:00:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3452#comment-6975 What is happening in Afghanistan and on itsborder with Paistan is nothing dramatic but the routine clashes which over the years in peace time have occured. Sanjiv, there is no panick and no vietnam type attacks. The Pashtuns tribes as well as the Afghan Govt. one of the proper Pashtoons uder Karzai, are not going to buy the spin organised by the USA administration, stating 2014 date as the withdrawl day. The yans are not going any where, they are in Iraq and they are in several other countries as the guardians of those Govts. All the Pashtuns commanders who are seen on the cable networks were claiming that they are no longer receiving cash from the Americans and have no choice to join the resistance group, namely TALIBAN. Once again the Spectre of TALIBAN as a resistance not as a finqal Govt. is emerging. Mr arzai does not know the address of the TALIBAN and the foreigners are once again involved with indigenous groups who are no longer going to allow them to mve about on the roads without payment of road tax. So simple is the situation in Afghanistan. The groups are likely to group together eventual in their demands for cash. It is worth noting the followings in Hamid arzai statements to BBC reporter, who neither speaks Pashto language nor understand Pashtoon culture; . Afghan investigators have established that corruption is instigated by foreign forces and not by Afghan officials. All contrctors and contracts are under the control of the foreigners. . Afghan drug trade is controlled by the foreigners. . Afghan force as well those of foreigners have failed to provide security for the Afghan civilians. . Despite his personal repeated requess the training program for Afghn police and military started very late. Mr Karzai also declared that he is not going to seek additional term in office and has been encouraging potentialy suitable candidates for the office. My guess is that in case his next door brohers as he calls them, India will definitely grant him asylum. Not to forget that Hamid Karzai comes from a very prominent Pashtun tribe and is very respected and accepted as a leader by the non Pashtun powerful groups. Pakistan military is a foreign force and has its own problems for their links to the USA admin. and CIA for playing a treachrous and then a disloyal one( says Adm Mullen. This sounds like Pakistan ISI has many Pashtuns among them. Rex Minor What is happening in Afghanistan and on itsborder with Paistan is nothing dramatic but the routine clashes which over the years in peace time have occured. Sanjiv, there is no panick and no vietnam type attacks. The Pashtuns tribes as well as the Afghan Govt. one of the proper Pashtoons uder Karzai, are not going to buy the spin organised by the USA administration, stating 2014 date as the withdrawl day. The yans are not going any where, they are in Iraq and they are in several other countries as the guardians of those Govts.

All the Pashtuns commanders who are seen on the cable networks were claiming that they are no longer receiving cash from the Americans and have no choice to join the resistance group, namely TALIBAN. Once again the Spectre of TALIBAN as a resistance not as a finqal Govt. is emerging. Mr arzai does not know the address of the TALIBAN and the foreigners are once again involved with indigenous groups who are no longer going to allow them to mve about on the roads without payment of road tax. So simple is the situation in Afghanistan. The groups are likely to group together eventual in their demands for cash. It is worth noting the followings in Hamid arzai statements to BBC reporter, who neither speaks Pashto language nor understand Pashtoon culture;

. Afghan investigators have established that corruption is instigated by foreign forces and not by Afghan officials. All contrctors and contracts are under the control of the foreigners.

. Afghan drug trade is controlled by the foreigners.

. Afghan force as well those of foreigners have failed to provide security for the Afghan civilians.

. Despite his personal repeated requess the training program for Afghn police and military started very late.

Mr Karzai also declared that he is not going to seek additional term in office and has been encouraging potentialy suitable candidates for the office.
My guess is that in case his next door brohers as he calls them, India will definitely grant him asylum. Not to forget that Hamid Karzai comes from a very prominent Pashtun tribe and is very respected and accepted as a leader by the non Pashtun powerful groups.

Pakistan military is a foreign force and has its own problems for their links to the USA admin. and CIA for playing a treachrous and then a disloyal one( says Adm Mullen. This sounds like Pakistan ISI has many Pashtuns among them.

Rex Minor

]]> By: M.Arif http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/10/10/pakistan-and-afghanistan-spoiling-for-a-full-blown-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-6972 M.Arif Tue, 11 Oct 2011 06:30:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3452#comment-6972 The person who has developed this report seems to have very narrow view of things happening in this region. Pakistan is the one who has to face great losses of lives and resources even though the war was not directly imposed on us bu U.S. If Afghan forces, NATO and ISAF are so in trouble with the is invasion and so called intrusion why don't they fenced their borders despite many appeals made by Pak government. It simply looks ridiculous rather hilarious to say that Pak forces are intruding then my question what Afghan militants attacks should be called? A meager effort by U.S and Afghan forces to establish their hold on Afghanistan even after 10 years? The person who has developed this report seems to have very narrow view of things happening in this region. Pakistan is the one who has to face great losses of lives and resources even though the war was not directly imposed on us bu U.S. If Afghan forces, NATO and ISAF are so in trouble with the is invasion and so called intrusion why don’t they fenced their borders despite many appeals made by Pak government. It simply looks ridiculous rather hilarious to say that Pak forces are intruding then my question what Afghan militants attacks should be called? A meager effort by U.S and Afghan forces to establish their hold on Afghanistan even after 10 years?

]]> By: truthtorpedo http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/10/10/pakistan-and-afghanistan-spoiling-for-a-full-blown-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-6967 truthtorpedo Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:37:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3452#comment-6967 It is the Afghans attacking Pakistan, why does your paper lie? take a look from reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/10/us-pakistan-afghanistan-attack-idUSTRE7991P720111010 It is the Afghans attacking Pakistan, why does your paper lie?

take a look from reuters:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/1 0/us-pakistan-afghanistan-attack-idUSTRE 7991P720111010

]]> By: truthtorpedo http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/2011/10/10/pakistan-and-afghanistan-spoiling-for-a-full-blown-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-6966 truthtorpedo Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:36:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan/?p=3452#comment-6966 Wow why is the Western press always reporting anti Pakistan stories, its always a pro Afghanistan slant, why is that I wonder, does no one ever talk to the Pakistanis? First of all there have been millions of Afghan refugees in Pakistan, getting a Pakistani ID or a passport is as easy as getting a US ID made in San Francisco in the hispanic side of town when I was underage. Many Afghans straddle the border and have both a Afghan citizenship and a Pakistani as they could be of the same tribe straddling both sides, so this is again poor journalism. Secondly read any Pakistani paper and you would find out, that it is Afghan militants who since the last 4 or 5 months have been raiding Pakistani border outposts, using 200 men at a time, they attempt to overrun these 5-10 man posts, Pakistan has lost a lot of men and if anything have been asking NATO and ISAF to do something about it, reading this one sided article it seems, the opposite is true, wow! thats why I keep thinking wow! Is this how the media get a nation blacksheeped and then prepared for attack, I mean this is exactly what the US media did in preparation for the Iraq war. The only problem is, Pakistan is no Iraq and with a very robust response system, they could in the face of open hostilities, cause very serious damage to the nascent Afghan forces, and the only beneficiaries would be the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Wow why is the Western press always reporting anti Pakistan stories, its always a pro Afghanistan slant, why is that I wonder, does no one ever talk to the Pakistanis?

First of all there have been millions of Afghan refugees in Pakistan, getting a Pakistani ID or a passport is as easy as getting a US ID made in San Francisco in the hispanic side of town when I was underage. Many Afghans straddle the border and have both a Afghan citizenship and a Pakistani as they could be of the same tribe straddling both sides, so this is again poor journalism.

Secondly read any Pakistani paper and you would find out, that it is Afghan militants who since the last 4 or 5 months have been raiding Pakistani border outposts, using 200 men at a time, they attempt to overrun these 5-10 man posts, Pakistan has lost a lot of men and if anything have been asking NATO and ISAF to do something about it, reading this one sided article it seems, the opposite is true, wow! thats why I keep thinking wow! Is this how the media get a nation blacksheeped and then prepared for attack, I mean this is exactly what the US media did in preparation for the Iraq war.

The only problem is, Pakistan is no Iraq and with a very robust response system, they could in the face of open hostilities, cause very serious damage to the nascent Afghan forces, and the only beneficiaries would be the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

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