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		<title>By: cmw333</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/01/14/in-america-violence-and-guns-forever/comment-page-2/#comment-2003</link>
		<dc:creator>cmw333</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im just so happy that in the UK we dont have guns readily available like you do in the US. God only knows what would &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bumperstickerquotes.org&quot;&gt;happen&lt;/a&gt; if they allowed guns to be sold over here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im just so happy that in the UK we dont have guns readily available like you do in the US. God only knows what would happen if they allowed guns to be sold over here.</p>
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		<title>By: dann77</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/01/14/in-america-violence-and-guns-forever/comment-page-2/#comment-1151</link>
		<dc:creator>dann77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your guns won&#039;t save you from strangers gone nuts or from your government.   Nor from other people being paid to take you out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your guns won&#8217;t save you from strangers gone nuts or from your government.   Nor from other people being paid to take you out.</p>
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		<title>By: Av8ts</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/01/14/in-america-violence-and-guns-forever/comment-page-2/#comment-994</link>
		<dc:creator>Av8ts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an American Citizen.  I own guns.  My life, my families life, and my property are protected by my guns and I. I sleep like a baby, every night, knowing my Semi-Automatic 9mm pistol is by my bed, within arm reach. If an intruder ever came into my house, it would be his last moment alive on this earth. Period.

The only thing that keeps us civil, is our laws.  Those who wish not to abide by them, risk losing there life. Either by my gun and I, or by a jury of there peers.

Anything less or different from that, means Zero to me or mine. 

&quot;Live Free or die.&quot;-Gen.Stark. American Rev. War Hero.

That says it all about this great continent my European Ancestors took by force, using guns, from the natives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an American Citizen.  I own guns.  My life, my families life, and my property are protected by my guns and I. I sleep like a baby, every night, knowing my Semi-Automatic 9mm pistol is by my bed, within arm reach. If an intruder ever came into my house, it would be his last moment alive on this earth. Period.</p>
<p>The only thing that keeps us civil, is our laws.  Those who wish not to abide by them, risk losing there life. Either by my gun and I, or by a jury of there peers.</p>
<p>Anything less or different from that, means Zero to me or mine. </p>
<p>&#8220;Live Free or die.&#8221;-Gen.Stark. American Rev. War Hero.</p>
<p>That says it all about this great continent my European Ancestors took by force, using guns, from the natives.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaius_Baltar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaius_Baltar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If guns = freedom, Afghanistan and Iraq are the most free countries in the world.  

Great post, Spection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If guns = freedom, Afghanistan and Iraq are the most free countries in the world.  </p>
<p>Great post, Spection.</p>
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		<title>By: mheld45</title>
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		<dc:creator>mheld45</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Spection: how ironic that you accuse the right of &quot;rants&quot;, &quot;hate&quot;, and &quot;unreasonableness&quot;. John Stewart did a great piece (incidently parodying S Palin) about people who accuse others of various infractions while simultaneously perpretrating the exact same things themselves. You should watch it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Spection: how ironic that you accuse the right of &#8220;rants&#8221;, &#8220;hate&#8221;, and &#8220;unreasonableness&#8221;. John Stewart did a great piece (incidently parodying S Palin) about people who accuse others of various infractions while simultaneously perpretrating the exact same things themselves. You should watch it.</p>
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		<title>By: Spection</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incest- and pedophilia-praising right-wing science fiction writer Robert Heinlein is undeservedly famous for writing: &quot;An armed society is a polite society&quot;.  Rarely has a claim and concept proved to be more notoriously, mass-murderingly wrong!

Instead, ridiculously easy and effectively unlimited access to semi-automatic handguns and anti-personnel rifles and high-capacity clips simply emboldens and quite overtly encourages one particular sub-group of gun owners -- conservative-authoritarian gun owners -- to spew Eliminationist hate speech and anti-liberal genocidal rants and death threats without any apprehension or fear whatsoever that anyone can stand up to these vicious bullies without being murdered.  The truth is, an armed society is a recklessly belligerent and murderous society.

Now, we all know that these same particular hate-fueled gun owners who rule the NRA -- the oligarchical power ruling everyone in this country when it comes to guns -- will never permit this to be a sane and rational country.  A sane and rational America is utterly incompatible with the NRA&#039;s goals.  Sanity and reason is their enemy, and they will never yield.  To the NRA, virtually unhindered access to cop-killer ammunition and plastic or ceramic handguns that can evade detection is a sacred right delivered directly from God.

To this category of gun owner and the NRA, the Second Amendment isn&#039;t merely a Constitutional amendment, it&#039;s Inerrant Holy Writ that was delivered unto sacred parchment when the Abrahamic Deity took physical control of the Founders&#039; arms and hands and, as if telerobotically, brought The Sacred Right of Remote-Control Murder to mankind.

Fact 1: In the U.S., there are 90 guns for every 100 people, vastly more than anywhere else in the world.  Fact 2: In the U.S., there are vastly more gun murders annually than anywhere else in the world.  But to conservative-authoritarian gun owners and the NRA, there&#039;s absolutely no connection between these facts (or, more accurately, they often know better but lie anyway). What more evidence do we need to know that sanity and reason are utterly incompatible with the NRA&#039;s goals and politics?

Finally, the extreme defensiveness from the Right in this last week since Tuscon is compelling proof of their justifiably guilty consciences.  In his first comments after the shooting in Tuscon, Sheriff Dupnik never named individuals or groups or political parties.  Yet the Right again became utterly unhinged with defensiveness and denial at Dupnik&#039;s plainly honest and non-specific first comments, demonstrating and emphatically highlighting their plainly guilty consciences.

Was Loughner directly motivated by Palin, Beck, Limbaugh and their hate-fueled ilk?  The clear answer is no.  I have seen no one claim or argue otherwise, although the Right falsely pretends he claimed there was a direct link.  But look at what the hateful Right is arguing in response: &quot;Since we&#039;re not responsible for Tuscon, we&#039;re completely and utterly faultless and innocent of everything, ever.  The biggest victim of the Tuscon shootings was poor eternally innocent and perfectly sane Sarah Palin.  Everything bad that happens in America is deliberately caused only by liberals, so we are morally right to pursue their final genocidal elimination with our God-beloved remote-control murder devices.&quot;

Read Urbanjack3l&#039;s and other &quot;guns = freedom&quot; responses for clear evidence of this.  That author writes: &quot;Are we the same people who subdued and settled a continent???&quot;.  Yes, you are: You&#039;re the same kind of people who from the very first moment of the Eurpoean discovery of this land mass, insanely enslaved and viciously murdered everyone else to get your way regardless of the morality of your decisions and regardless of the consequences.

Conseratives are always on about &quot;personal responsibility&quot; -- how a just and moral person takes personal responsibility for their words and deeds.  Yet you never see a public conservative actually DO that!  And that speaks volumes.  Volumes and volumes of hate and hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incest- and pedophilia-praising right-wing science fiction writer Robert Heinlein is undeservedly famous for writing: &#8220;An armed society is a polite society&#8221;.  Rarely has a claim and concept proved to be more notoriously, mass-murderingly wrong!</p>
<p>Instead, ridiculously easy and effectively unlimited access to semi-automatic handguns and anti-personnel rifles and high-capacity clips simply emboldens and quite overtly encourages one particular sub-group of gun owners &#8212; conservative-authoritarian gun owners &#8212; to spew Eliminationist hate speech and anti-liberal genocidal rants and death threats without any apprehension or fear whatsoever that anyone can stand up to these vicious bullies without being murdered.  The truth is, an armed society is a recklessly belligerent and murderous society.</p>
<p>Now, we all know that these same particular hate-fueled gun owners who rule the NRA &#8212; the oligarchical power ruling everyone in this country when it comes to guns &#8212; will never permit this to be a sane and rational country.  A sane and rational America is utterly incompatible with the NRA&#8217;s goals.  Sanity and reason is their enemy, and they will never yield.  To the NRA, virtually unhindered access to cop-killer ammunition and plastic or ceramic handguns that can evade detection is a sacred right delivered directly from God.</p>
<p>To this category of gun owner and the NRA, the Second Amendment isn&#8217;t merely a Constitutional amendment, it&#8217;s Inerrant Holy Writ that was delivered unto sacred parchment when the Abrahamic Deity took physical control of the Founders&#8217; arms and hands and, as if telerobotically, brought The Sacred Right of Remote-Control Murder to mankind.</p>
<p>Fact 1: In the U.S., there are 90 guns for every 100 people, vastly more than anywhere else in the world.  Fact 2: In the U.S., there are vastly more gun murders annually than anywhere else in the world.  But to conservative-authoritarian gun owners and the NRA, there&#8217;s absolutely no connection between these facts (or, more accurately, they often know better but lie anyway). What more evidence do we need to know that sanity and reason are utterly incompatible with the NRA&#8217;s goals and politics?</p>
<p>Finally, the extreme defensiveness from the Right in this last week since Tuscon is compelling proof of their justifiably guilty consciences.  In his first comments after the shooting in Tuscon, Sheriff Dupnik never named individuals or groups or political parties.  Yet the Right again became utterly unhinged with defensiveness and denial at Dupnik&#8217;s plainly honest and non-specific first comments, demonstrating and emphatically highlighting their plainly guilty consciences.</p>
<p>Was Loughner directly motivated by Palin, Beck, Limbaugh and their hate-fueled ilk?  The clear answer is no.  I have seen no one claim or argue otherwise, although the Right falsely pretends he claimed there was a direct link.  But look at what the hateful Right is arguing in response: &#8220;Since we&#8217;re not responsible for Tuscon, we&#8217;re completely and utterly faultless and innocent of everything, ever.  The biggest victim of the Tuscon shootings was poor eternally innocent and perfectly sane Sarah Palin.  Everything bad that happens in America is deliberately caused only by liberals, so we are morally right to pursue their final genocidal elimination with our God-beloved remote-control murder devices.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read Urbanjack3l&#8217;s and other &#8220;guns = freedom&#8221; responses for clear evidence of this.  That author writes: &#8220;Are we the same people who subdued and settled a continent???&#8221;.  Yes, you are: You&#8217;re the same kind of people who from the very first moment of the Eurpoean discovery of this land mass, insanely enslaved and viciously murdered everyone else to get your way regardless of the morality of your decisions and regardless of the consequences.</p>
<p>Conseratives are always on about &#8220;personal responsibility&#8221; &#8212; how a just and moral person takes personal responsibility for their words and deeds.  Yet you never see a public conservative actually DO that!  And that speaks volumes.  Volumes and volumes of hate and hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Eideard</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/01/14/in-america-violence-and-guns-forever/comment-page-2/#comment-915</link>
		<dc:creator>Eideard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nutball Right still has the usual problem with facts.  Fits the ideology of superstition, fear, hatred and cowardice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nutball Right still has the usual problem with facts.  Fits the ideology of superstition, fear, hatred and cowardice.</p>
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		<title>By: adamt78</title>
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		<dc:creator>adamt78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miller holds that the &#039;&#039;Second Amendment guarantees no right to keep and bear a firearm that does not have &#039;some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia&#039;&#039;&#039;
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment02/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miller holds that the &#8221;Second Amendment guarantees no right to keep and bear a firearm that does not have &#8216;some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia&#8221;&#8217;<br />
<a href='http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment02/'>http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/const itution/amendment02/</a></p>
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		<title>By: JohnAdel</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnAdel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 02:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can certainly confirm the comment &#039;a gun culture that has long baffled much of the world&#039;. In Australia some years ago when we had one of these crazy massacres the then conservative Prime Minster, John Howard, great friend of George W Bush put on a flak jacket and went out to speak directly to his right wing constituency and told them that gun restrictions would be tightened to avoid such future abominations, gun crimes have diminished since the change in the laws. It is beyond the rationality of the rest of the western democratic world that in the US you seem to be quite willing to have criminals armed to the teeth, crazies able to access military style weapons and live in continual fear as long as everyone can arm themselves to the teeth. An acquaintance did a teaching swap with an American teacher. The first thing the Australian was shown was where the numerous guns were kept in the house. I&#039;m glad to live in a relatively gun free society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can certainly confirm the comment &#8216;a gun culture that has long baffled much of the world&#8217;. In Australia some years ago when we had one of these crazy massacres the then conservative Prime Minster, John Howard, great friend of George W Bush put on a flak jacket and went out to speak directly to his right wing constituency and told them that gun restrictions would be tightened to avoid such future abominations, gun crimes have diminished since the change in the laws. It is beyond the rationality of the rest of the western democratic world that in the US you seem to be quite willing to have criminals armed to the teeth, crazies able to access military style weapons and live in continual fear as long as everyone can arm themselves to the teeth. An acquaintance did a teaching swap with an American teacher. The first thing the Australian was shown was where the numerous guns were kept in the house. I&#8217;m glad to live in a relatively gun free society.</p>
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		<title>By: RenegadeMav</title>
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		<dc:creator>RenegadeMav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, Title implies that only Americans are violent.  Truth is, you take away the guns, you still have violence.  Look at GB and Australia.  Bernd must be a control advocate by his writing.  I don;t care what stats you pull, GUNS DO NOT CAUSE VIOLENCE, people do.  And ALL humans are subject to violence, has been around since first standing up right.  Really, if you want to write an article at least be fair, half truths only hurt you reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, Title implies that only Americans are violent.  Truth is, you take away the guns, you still have violence.  Look at GB and Australia.  Bernd must be a control advocate by his writing.  I don;t care what stats you pull, GUNS DO NOT CAUSE VIOLENCE, people do.  And ALL humans are subject to violence, has been around since first standing up right.  Really, if you want to write an article at least be fair, half truths only hurt you reputation.</p>
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