Comments on: Who is the superpower, America or Israel? http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/02/21/who-is-the-superpower-america-or-israel/ Tue, 31 Mar 2015 01:18:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: AhmedKhalil http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/02/21/who-is-the-superpower-america-or-israel/#comment-2367 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:27:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=155#comment-2367 While I do not recognize any Jewish claims to the land of Palestine, past or present, it is futile not to recognize that after 60 years plus of colonization there are generations of European Jews who are now born in Palestine and know of no other country to return to as former citizens. Their parents or grandparents could, but they cannot. Thus, provided that the “Jewish State” bigotry is dropped and no further influx of foreign-born Jews is allowed (because they are foreigners and not because they are Jews, as in any normal state in the world), I fully support the one state solution and letting the current inhabitants gradually work it out democratically. All talk of other solution is unattainable. It is simply not possible because of economy, land area, or just because of the facts Israel has created on the ground.

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By: AhmedKhalil http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/02/21/who-is-the-superpower-america-or-israel/#comment-2366 Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:25:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=155#comment-2366 While I do not recognize any Jewish claims to the land of Palestine, past or present, it is futile not to recognize that after 60 years plus of colonization there are generations of European Jews who are now born in Palestine and know of no other country to return to as former citizens. There parents or grandparents could, but they cannot. Thus, provided that the “Jewish State” bigotry is dropped and no further influx of foreign-born Jews is allowed (because they are foreigners and not because they are Jews, as in any normal state in the world), I fully support the one state solution and letting the current inhabitants gradually work it out democratically. All talk of other solution is unattainable. It is simply not possible because of economy, land area, or just because of the facts Israel has created on the ground.

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By: Randip http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/02/21/who-is-the-superpower-america-or-israel/#comment-1280 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:40:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=155#comment-1280 Well said Debusmann. By proxy, the Jews rule the Middle East and America through powerful lobby groups. The Jewish lobby groups and the past seven U.S. administrations are near total-complicit in the annexation, colonization, and cleansing programs in Palestine’s West Bank. The criticism that comes from the White House from time to time — to appease the sheeplings (electorate) is to remain symbolic, suggest White House officials following Joe Biden’s visit in 2010. Despite the fact that it was total humiliation by the Israeli government during Biden’s visit, when another 1600 settlements were announced.

American hegemony has been directed at doing Israel’s dirty deeds for the last four decades, and will remain that way. This parasitic leech needs to be taken off the IV for good.

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By: ARJTurgot2 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/02/21/who-is-the-superpower-america-or-israel/#comment-1278 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:37:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=155#comment-1278 I really loved the Lawyer analogy; it fits. But nothing will change. Hillary is still owned by the NYC crowd, and is beholden to AIPAC. Obama needs all the domestic friends he can get, including and especially the NYC crowd. The GOP can’t antagonize its religious conservatives.

It’s not that the Israelis play good Real Politik, it’s that we play it very poorly. They haven’t had a Talleyrand in a long time, and Liberman (both ours and theirs, but in this reference theirs) is simply a corrupt old pol. Really, the problems with the U.S./Israel thing expose the real dangers of democracy. This is like some historical reading of debate in Athens.

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By: Sernadon http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/02/21/who-is-the-superpower-america-or-israel/#comment-1165 Sat, 19 Mar 2011 01:01:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=155#comment-1165 Thank you Mr. Debusmann.

I am a red blooded tax paying American, and not above reproach. Blessed none the less. Faith good people is what will bring us out of the abyss and into the promiss land. It pleases me to see tax dollars doing good in the world. America supports so many nations in this world only to be hated and treated with bad intent and ill will.GOD bless Israel and all nations who have the faith to offer support to this little nation. Let us not forget that there are those who wish very bad things to those who do not conform. Just ask them that are under the foot of such opression and hate, those who are not allowed hope let alone freedom.

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By: schmetterling http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/02/21/who-is-the-superpower-america-or-israel/#comment-1144 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 05:34:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=155#comment-1144 Love your guts Mr. Bernd Debusmann! Your topics are always right on the money, and delve into issues that are never to be spoken about! You should have a medal of valor for your courageous and insightful journalism.

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By: banalityofevil http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/02/21/who-is-the-superpower-america-or-israel/#comment-1143 Mon, 14 Mar 2011 05:25:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=155#comment-1143 I’m a jewish american, i support the positions in your article completely, have done so for a long time, actively, and will continue to do so. I support an immediate end to US aid to Israel, and a one state solution based on democratic principles and respect for human rights of all people.
I must say that i feel an increasing sense of despair: the ignorance expressed by the blog entries both in support as well as opposition to your article is so pervasive, that one wonders if ‘a just solution’ is even possible under such conditions…

cavem: yes, Israel is exactly like if france took over wisconsin. with one tiny difference: there’s no ‘france\': so, yeah: great metaphor: if france were a theological/nation whose people had been a demonized minority for 1500 years, and if most of the french people outside of wisconsin had been murdered within living memory. and if there were millenia old ‘french’ communities in ‘wisconsin’. Isn’t it possible to support the just aspirations of the palestinian people without denying the history, sensibilities, and reasonable concerns of Jews?

and gpsman- when you use US treatment of native americans as a rationalization for Israeli behaviour towards Palestinians- are you ignorant of the fact the this same history inspired hitler, or just unconcerned? also- exactly what do ancient historical claims ‘prove’? No one other than native americans lived here 500 years ago, but we feel this to be ‘our country\': do you expect palestinians to feel differently?
i fear the banality of this ‘discourse’ (referring here to many of the postings, not your article) more than i fear any other factor in the situation. the banality of evil has tended to be bad for my peeps, even though, apparently, we’re far from immune ourselves,

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By: CavernMass http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/02/21/who-is-the-superpower-america-or-israel/#comment-1103 Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:13:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=155#comment-1103 Imagine in the current time if France would want to create its own state in Michigan and separate it from the U.S. French are a minority in Michigan so democratic vote on the separation would not work because they would be outvoted by the rest of the Americans living in Michigan. So imagine if they had a historic opportunity when the U.S. is at its weakest and militarily occupy a part of Michigan and impose a regime where only French can vote and all the others who lived there cannot. Furthermore, the occupiers rename the occupied part of Michigan as the “French State” where not only that Americans are not welcome, but they are systematically expelled over time creating huge refugee camps in nearby states of Indiana and Ohio. Imagine then that at that point in history the artificial organization called the United Nations is full of French supporters and somehow that makes the occupation “legal” and Americans who fight for their homes in the occupied part of Michigan are labeled as terrorists. The occupation is a part of a careful log-term plan (i.e. Zionism) of acquiring land by French, so literally days after the occupation is implemented (what a coordinated plan!) the occupiers import millions of other French from all over the world to increase their population in Michigan from around 100,000 to over 5 Million in a short period. Then Americans resist and fight to regain the occupied part of Michigan, but Russia steps in, sends weapons, cash, and everything else the occupiers need to sustain the occupation.

What do you think all of us Americans would feel? We would hate French first, and then all of their supporters (Russia in this analogy) that make the occupation of our land possible. Still questioning yourself why people in the Middle East and other parts of the world do not like us? Because our Zionist controlled government, not the people, supported the very exact scenario as described above against our will and with our tax money making us accomplices in this unspeakable crime. The scenario that would outrage all of us Americans and make us fight against it if it happened in Michigan or anywhere else in the U.S.

This comment is not intended to make derogatory remarks about France and Russia. It is merely used as an example of how Americans would be outraged and fight back in the same situation as the forced establishment of the Zionist regime and its occupation of Palestine.
Urge your state representatives and senators to immediately stop any remaining support for the Zionist regime. Much of the support already stopped because of the increasing pressure on this issue, but we Americans need to completely distance ourselves from this oppressive regime and start actively opposing it.

It appears that sharing and reposting others’ comments is becoming a trend. You can definitely copy, repost, or email mine to anyone including lobbying senators, state representatives and any other public officials who shape our country’s foreign policies.

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By: Margbb http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/02/21/who-is-the-superpower-america-or-israel/#comment-1085 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 17:19:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=155#comment-1085 I agree with your observations but would like to see an analysis on the effects of the Palestinian Papers. My feeling is that none of the current US policies speak to the majority Americans polled on issues, so if they are treated as irrelevant but are still expected to pay for everything, would a tax movement/revolt finally cause changes in Washington? Looking forward to your response. Thank and TC.

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By: paintcan http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/02/21/who-is-the-superpower-america-or-israel/#comment-1067 Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:57:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=155#comment-1067 What reasonable or rational person can ever accept the claim that “God” gives real estate to his supposed “favorites”? Hitler could have been a devoted reader of the Old Testament and still managed to have done what his regime did. He could have used one of those old mad men – Jonathan for example – as his patron saint.

And at dontbestupid – don’t be stupid! Intermarriage between Arabs and Jews would be the ideal situation to end the impasses. BTW – has anyone done DNA testing comparing the Palestinian genetic origins with the Israeli’s? The Romans could not possibly have emptied the country of Judea of all its inhabitants. For one thing – it would have been very difficult to capture them all. The territory remained inhabited after the sack of Jerusalem and no doubt many of those inhabitants were Jews. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was discovered that the Palestinians carry genetic traces of the Jews that were left behind plus other traces of later arrivals. But that would probably be true for both sides of that wall. But I really have no idea if genetic DNA testing can be that accurate for such a short interval of time. A friend of mine had his DNA analyzed and you could see the results agreed with movements of peoples as described in the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon. So, maybe so? He was from S. America but had European ancestry.

Adel’s blog is worth the read. I never heard those quotes before. They are not the sorts of comments one ever sees in the news. They are definitely comments that the modern state of Israel would not want too well know to the more general public.

The 1950 British white paper available on the UN site also warned of the problems the partitioning of Palestine would create. You’d think those men were clairvoyant. And it was not anti-Semitic. Their eyes were wide open and one can even call their analysis “compassionate” of a sort. They fully understood why the Jews wanted a homeland but they knew what it would cost the existing population, both Arab and Jewish.

Good article.

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