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		<title>By: JimmyNYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimmyNYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The discussion on Job Creation can not be complete without talking about a very acute shortage of capital in the US of A.   The fact is most businesses have struggled desperately to keep their &quot;existing&quot; lines open.   Forget new credit, even existing lines have been revoked by most banks.

Lets face it, if the business owner, has his carefully planned out working capital spreadsheet - corrupted by a Bankers bad macro (a.k.a mumbo jumbo Derivates),  the resulting lay-offs are but inevitable.   Lets not get started on the bankers here - enough ink and screen space has been invested on their immense contribution to Job destruction.

Coming to the investor programs, what many readers miss is the fact that these investor programs bring in people with Capital.   Capital that can jump start projects.  Capital that is not available from within the country.   Capital that will create jobs.   Jobs that we desperately need.

Let us also not forget that investors with a million dollars of net-worth and half a million in liquid assets - have many many countries wooing them.   Canada, UK, Australia, NZ, even Bulgaria - all have the red carpet rolled out for these immigrants.   Don&#039;t believe that there are other options for these investors - Google for &quot;Investor Visa Network&quot;

Programs designed to attract business founders and investors, need all the support - from the government and from those who care about job creation in this nation.   It will definitely support the much needed recovery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion on Job Creation can not be complete without talking about a very acute shortage of capital in the US of A.   The fact is most businesses have struggled desperately to keep their &#8220;existing&#8221; lines open.   Forget new credit, even existing lines have been revoked by most banks.</p>
<p>Lets face it, if the business owner, has his carefully planned out working capital spreadsheet &#8211; corrupted by a Bankers bad macro (a.k.a mumbo jumbo Derivates),  the resulting lay-offs are but inevitable.   Lets not get started on the bankers here &#8211; enough ink and screen space has been invested on their immense contribution to Job destruction.</p>
<p>Coming to the investor programs, what many readers miss is the fact that these investor programs bring in people with Capital.   Capital that can jump start projects.  Capital that is not available from within the country.   Capital that will create jobs.   Jobs that we desperately need.</p>
<p>Let us also not forget that investors with a million dollars of net-worth and half a million in liquid assets &#8211; have many many countries wooing them.   Canada, UK, Australia, NZ, even Bulgaria &#8211; all have the red carpet rolled out for these immigrants.   Don&#8217;t believe that there are other options for these investors &#8211; Google for &#8220;Investor Visa Network&#8221;</p>
<p>Programs designed to attract business founders and investors, need all the support &#8211; from the government and from those who care about job creation in this nation.   It will definitely support the much needed recovery.</p>
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		<title>By: coyotle</title>
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		<dc:creator>coyotle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 05:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have become a nation of people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.</description>
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		<title>By: hummering</title>
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		<dc:creator>hummering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 05:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three Presidents did what was best for Americans instead of behaving as pandering politicians. Hoover during the Great Depression ordered the deportation of ALL illegal aliens to make jobs available for Americans. Truman deported 2 million illegal aliens after WWII to open jobs for Americans and returning veterans, and in 1954 Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexicans over two years in a program called Operation Wetback so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better opportunity for jobs. Tweak the onerous tax code and tweak the minimum wage, and I should think there would be a decrease in unemployment on all levels of &quot;skill&quot;...just a thought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three Presidents did what was best for Americans instead of behaving as pandering politicians. Hoover during the Great Depression ordered the deportation of ALL illegal aliens to make jobs available for Americans. Truman deported 2 million illegal aliens after WWII to open jobs for Americans and returning veterans, and in 1954 Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexicans over two years in a program called Operation Wetback so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better opportunity for jobs. Tweak the onerous tax code and tweak the minimum wage, and I should think there would be a decrease in unemployment on all levels of &#8220;skill&#8221;&#8230;just a thought!</p>
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		<title>By: 2old2givea</title>
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		<dc:creator>2old2givea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My contract-engineer husband - experienced in several disciplines and industries - was just laid off for the fourth time (or is it the fifth?), in two years, yet we must bring in even more foreigners? Sorry, but that doesn&#039;t make a bit of sense.

The &quot;best and the brightest&quot; are right here in the U.S. of A, Mr. Debusman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My contract-engineer husband &#8211; experienced in several disciplines and industries &#8211; was just laid off for the fourth time (or is it the fifth?), in two years, yet we must bring in even more foreigners? Sorry, but that doesn&#8217;t make a bit of sense.</p>
<p>The &#8220;best and the brightest&#8221; are right here in the U.S. of A, Mr. Debusman.</p>
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		<title>By: welcome1</title>
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		<dc:creator>welcome1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the common flawed opinion that H1Bs cause a dent in unemployment can be viewed differently...Businesses are always going to compete on cost. What America has that other low cost nations do not is good infrastructure and in most case transparent business laws..what they don&#039;t have in abundance is high skilled workers, i think immigration should be reformed to the effect that it is easier for firms to hire foreign workers with skills...better to earn a reduced rate rather than not have a job...on top of that if you add incentives for investors that&#039;s even better..infrastructural costs in India or China are quite high, i can see some reverse shoring where Chinese or emerging economy entrepreneurs invest in the US creating jobs.etc....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the common flawed opinion that H1Bs cause a dent in unemployment can be viewed differently&#8230;Businesses are always going to compete on cost. What America has that other low cost nations do not is good infrastructure and in most case transparent business laws..what they don&#8217;t have in abundance is high skilled workers, i think immigration should be reformed to the effect that it is easier for firms to hire foreign workers with skills&#8230;better to earn a reduced rate rather than not have a job&#8230;on top of that if you add incentives for investors that&#8217;s even better..infrastructural costs in India or China are quite high, i can see some reverse shoring where Chinese or emerging economy entrepreneurs invest in the US creating jobs.etc&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: gfm2011</title>
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		<dc:creator>gfm2011</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 03:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am prevented by the editor from speaking frankly to you regarding the insanity of your proposition. Suffice it to say that I find it almost unimaginably foolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am prevented by the editor from speaking frankly to you regarding the insanity of your proposition. Suffice it to say that I find it almost unimaginably foolish.</p>
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		<title>By: SanPa</title>
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		<dc:creator>SanPa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 03:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, absolutely.  In this community, businesses are importing thousands of workers from India and other Asian states to work in tech firms.  It seems America just does not have enough low cost nationals to do the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, absolutely.  In this community, businesses are importing thousands of workers from India and other Asian states to work in tech firms.  It seems America just does not have enough low cost nationals to do the work.</p>
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		<title>By: J1simple</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/09/13/to-create-u-s-jobs-bring-in-immigrants/comment-page-1/#comment-1749</link>
		<dc:creator>J1simple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AdamSmith - Hi Friedrich Hayek here.  ;-)  I hear what you&#039;re saying, so if you&#039;re concerned with that, why not offer &quot;incentives&quot; such as zero tuition for citizens graduating with engineering, or similar, degrees.  To that end, I would say ZERO scholarships for those majoring in the &quot;soft sciences&quot; like philosophy, sociology, etc.  This has nothing to do with monied interests.  There is a DESPERATE need for engineers in ths country, including those to serve US interests such as military, etc.  go to any jobs website and type in engineering, there are jobs for those who have the skills and we desperately need it.  

Otherwise, they will be outsourced.  And that&#039;s what you&#039;re missing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AdamSmith &#8211; Hi Friedrich Hayek here.  <img src='http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   I hear what you&#8217;re saying, so if you&#8217;re concerned with that, why not offer &#8220;incentives&#8221; such as zero tuition for citizens graduating with engineering, or similar, degrees.  To that end, I would say ZERO scholarships for those majoring in the &#8220;soft sciences&#8221; like philosophy, sociology, etc.  This has nothing to do with monied interests.  There is a DESPERATE need for engineers in ths country, including those to serve US interests such as military, etc.  go to any jobs website and type in engineering, there are jobs for those who have the skills and we desperately need it.  </p>
<p>Otherwise, they will be outsourced.  And that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re missing.</p>
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		<title>By: J1simple</title>
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		<dc:creator>J1simple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 02:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the ideas here - I think that those that graduate with engineering or similar degrees ought to have green cards stapled to their diplomas....

Those are the people that create jobs, not the folks swimming over.  I wouldn&#039;t sell it either, but I would expand on the process of years of military (Only military) service and education in exchange for citizenship - those soldiers would value it far more than the silver spooned trust fund babies currently governing the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the ideas here &#8211; I think that those that graduate with engineering or similar degrees ought to have green cards stapled to their diplomas&#8230;.</p>
<p>Those are the people that create jobs, not the folks swimming over.  I wouldn&#8217;t sell it either, but I would expand on the process of years of military (Only military) service and education in exchange for citizenship &#8211; those soldiers would value it far more than the silver spooned trust fund babies currently governing the US.</p>
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		<title>By: AdamSmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>AdamSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Debusmann is clearly favoring the interest of giant corporations.  The American citizen be damned.

Pick any city, let&#039;s say, Cincinnati, Ohio. Any city will do. Let&#039;s say Cincinnati.

Now, bring in 100 busloads of freshly graduated plumbers (4,000 new plumbers), who want to enter into the plumbing business in the Cincinnati, and make a living.

The result?  Wage rates for plumbers will become depressed.  The existing 960 plumbers in Cincinnati, once busy every day, competing, and making a good living, will now have much less work, or no work at all.

The school for plumbers in Cincinnati, will have no new students.  All the Cincinnati highschool kids hear from their fathers and uncles that plumbing is no longer a good way to make a living.  In droves, they choose some other path in life.

This is what the H1B visa has done to the American engineering profession.  H1B brings busloads of foreign engineers to America, thus driving down wages, closing American engineering schools, and discouraging American kids from majoring in engineering.

The moneyed interests, of course, do as Mr. Debusmann is doing.  They always strive to have lower wages, because that increases their profits. The American worker be damned.

So the chorus, the chant of the large corporations never changes decace after decade:  We want more workers, more immigration.

What they really mean is we want lower wages, and then more lower wages, forever and ever.

Or am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Debusmann is clearly favoring the interest of giant corporations.  The American citizen be damned.</p>
<p>Pick any city, let&#8217;s say, Cincinnati, Ohio. Any city will do. Let&#8217;s say Cincinnati.</p>
<p>Now, bring in 100 busloads of freshly graduated plumbers (4,000 new plumbers), who want to enter into the plumbing business in the Cincinnati, and make a living.</p>
<p>The result?  Wage rates for plumbers will become depressed.  The existing 960 plumbers in Cincinnati, once busy every day, competing, and making a good living, will now have much less work, or no work at all.</p>
<p>The school for plumbers in Cincinnati, will have no new students.  All the Cincinnati highschool kids hear from their fathers and uncles that plumbing is no longer a good way to make a living.  In droves, they choose some other path in life.</p>
<p>This is what the H1B visa has done to the American engineering profession.  H1B brings busloads of foreign engineers to America, thus driving down wages, closing American engineering schools, and discouraging American kids from majoring in engineering.</p>
<p>The moneyed interests, of course, do as Mr. Debusmann is doing.  They always strive to have lower wages, because that increases their profits. The American worker be damned.</p>
<p>So the chorus, the chant of the large corporations never changes decace after decade:  We want more workers, more immigration.</p>
<p>What they really mean is we want lower wages, and then more lower wages, forever and ever.</p>
<p>Or am I missing something?</p>
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