Comments on: After U.S. departure, a bloodbath in Iraq? http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/11/04/after-u-s-departure-a-bloodbath-in-iraq/ Tue, 31 Mar 2015 01:18:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: upstater http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/11/04/after-u-s-departure-a-bloodbath-in-iraq/#comment-1952 Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:28:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=360#comment-1952 I guess we just have to stay in Iraq after all. And in the other 700-1000 foreign bases. Geez, we should have troops everywhere to prevent evil all the time. Right?

The root of this project is US imperialism and duplicity. At some point this stupid game has to stop.

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By: tdk http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/11/04/after-u-s-departure-a-bloodbath-in-iraq/#comment-1950 Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:14:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=360#comment-1950 As an American I want no more military or financial involvement in any foreign country. Israel is the responsibility of Europe, they created the place.

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By: bluesky1 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/11/04/after-u-s-departure-a-bloodbath-in-iraq/#comment-1940 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:58:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=360#comment-1940 I’m from Iraq, I was born in the same province where Camp Ashraf is located. I live in Australia now. I remember as a teenager, POMI fighters on their tanks and armoured vehicles driving through my town in the 1980s, they were part of Iraqi army in its war with Iran.

During 1991 Iraqi uprising that Bush senior betrayed the Iraqi people, the POMI fighters killed hundreds of people in my home town, they were more ruthless than the Iraqi Republican army. My neighbour lost two of his daughters in a motor shells by POMI.
People in Camp Ashraf should be tried for their crimes against Iraqi people before they are released.

Im asking Bernd Debusmann, why he is not touching on the crimes committed by this group when they were an integral part of Saddam regime?

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By: bluesky1 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/11/04/after-u-s-departure-a-bloodbath-in-iraq/#comment-1938 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:55:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=360#comment-1938 I’m from Iraq, I was born in the same province where Camp Ashraf is located. I live in Australia now. I remember as a teenager, POMI fighters on their tanks and armoured vehicles driving through my town in the 1980s, they were part of Iraqi army in its war with Iran.

During 1991 Iraqi uprising that Bush senior betrayed the Iraqi people, the POMI fighters killed hundreds of people in my home town, they were more ruthless than the Iraqi Republican army. My neighbour lost two of his daughters in a motor shells by POMI.
People in Camp Ashraf should be tried for their crimes against Iraqi people before they are released.

Im asking Bernd Debusmann, why he is not touching on the crimes committed by this group when they were an integral part of Saddam regime?

The only people in Iraq who have sympathy for this group are supporters of Saddam Hussein.
Current Iraqi leadership were in oppositions to Saddam Hussein, so they have bitter experiences with POMI, that’s why they don’t have any sympathy for them.

The Iraqi government asked them to leave to a third country, and they refused. Many of the camp residents are resident or citizen of Western countries.

Democratic administrations are bad news for oppressed people in Middle East, they always support dictators. Bill Clinton abandoned Iraqi people when he took over, he let the killing goes on in Bosnia and Rwanda. Even during the current Arab Spring the US has being reluctant to support the aspiration of people in the middle East.

If you want to win the war on terror, there is a cheap way to do it, support the Arab Spring and let pressure that is being building for decade to come out. The US is trying to stall the process in Egypt at the present, not a good start.

Obama is abandoning Iraq after the US spent 700 billion and lost 4500 soldiers, of course Iran will move in to fill the vacuum. Typical American foreign policy of running and cutting their losses, they did it in Afghanistan. Just for the sake of American soldier sacrifice, Obama should have kept American presence there.

Some comments here described Iraqi people as vicious animal that want to kill each other, this just confirms to me how ignorant the American people are including the author of this article about everything outside their state.

As a nation with two languages and two religious sects, we were boxed in a country by Briton for their own national interests, then ruled by ruthless dictators for another 80 years.
Any nations in our position will have ethnic conflicts. The problems we are dealing with now goes back to over 80 years ago thanks again to the Brits, but we will find a way out.

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By: khiggi http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/11/04/after-u-s-departure-a-bloodbath-in-iraq/#comment-1937 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:49:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=360#comment-1937 Joe Biden was ridiculed for saying it, but shortly after the US departs Iraq his statement that the US should have used its time there to accomplish the orderly splitting of this artificially created and hopelessly conflicted “country” into three parts may prove prophetic.

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By: txgadfly http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/11/04/after-u-s-departure-a-bloodbath-in-iraq/#comment-1936 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:00:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=360#comment-1936 Iranians fear and dislike all foreigners, and always have. They do have some pretty good reasons to.

Of course Iraq will have conflict. It has it now. It is, as noted, a “created” country. Like all such countries carved out of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, it is unstable and will have to sort itself out by either negotiations or conflict. Western interventions have usually been clumsy and ineffective throughout the region. Time to keep hands off for a change.

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By: Wassup http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/11/04/after-u-s-departure-a-bloodbath-in-iraq/#comment-1934 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 04:13:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=360#comment-1934 Duh! The stupidity of the current U.S. Government in announcing a departure date in Iraq will only encourage Iran and its puppets to immediately move in and take over using America’s left over supplies and transportation that this country has deemed too expensive to move back here. Bush screwed up by not departing after we did “Dessert Storm” and Sadam was captured. There is no justification from that point.

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By: Spac122 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/11/04/after-u-s-departure-a-bloodbath-in-iraq/#comment-1933 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 03:29:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=360#comment-1933 @neahkahnie & @Sinbad1,

Thanks for both posts.

Bernd,

why is it the Iraqis don’t know better. Is there more to the hatred? Even though being on a list would cause negativity, why is it we are presented what is described as inhumane indiscriminant raids by the Iraqi government on PMOI.

“”In an op-ed article in the New York Times, he added: “Tragically, the State Department’s unjustified terrorist label makes the Mujahedin’s enemies in Tehran and Baghdad feel as if they have license to kill and trample on the written guarantees of protection given to the Ashraf residents by the United States.” “”

They must have pissed some Iraqi’s off in some way. I think they have some idea of whats going on around them other than just our label and militant raids on IRAN.

If the PMOI camp are going have a sense of safety if they “deserve” it like acknowledged on paper, it seems the only way to give it to them is any place but Iraq and Iran. Like fixing by paying up front instead of leasing a car you can’t afford for more money and you wont end up owning. Not that this would actually be considered an option here. Nobody’s getting relocated.

So can you tell me why the Iraqis hate these people like they apparently do.

Greatly appreciate the article, Bernd. Reuters is the best.

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By: Intriped http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/11/04/after-u-s-departure-a-bloodbath-in-iraq/#comment-1931 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 02:02:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=360#comment-1931 A daily blood bath exists with them in place. It was a blood bath before our soldiers were there and it will continue as it will in Afghanistan no matter what we do. I would say you could provide 1 million dollars to every family in Iraq and they would still be killing each other because history is on their side and reflects the Iraqis tribal beliefs.

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By: Sinbad1 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2011/11/04/after-u-s-departure-a-bloodbath-in-iraq/#comment-1930 Sat, 05 Nov 2011 01:37:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=360#comment-1930 @neahkahnie
Just continuing your post, Britain and BP were also the ones that took all of Iran’s oil. When the Iranians kicked up a fuss and wanted a cut of their own oil the Brits offered the US half the Iranian oil to help put the Iranians back in their place.
The US and Britain kicked out the democratic Government and installed a King.
The destruction of the Iranian democracy is why the Iranian people still hate the US and Britain to this day.

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