Comments on: More drones, more robots, more wars http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/01/31/more-drones-more-robots-more-wars/ Tue, 31 Mar 2015 01:18:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: traduceri daneza http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/01/31/more-drones-more-robots-more-wars/#comment-3057 Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:58:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=422#comment-3057 great points altogether, you just won a new reader. What may you suggest in regards to your publish that you just made a few days ago? Any sure?

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By: AWR66 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/01/31/more-drones-more-robots-more-wars/#comment-2250 Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:09:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=422#comment-2250 welcome to the movies, looks like it won’t be god taking us out this time LOL, but a pissed off toaster.

May you die quickly. (Beep) your food is now ready.

we as a race deserve what ever horror we unleash on our selves. Dont say your innocent, you did nothing to stop them.

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By: paintcan http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/01/31/more-drones-more-robots-more-wars/#comment-2249 Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:04:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=422#comment-2249 “it says that “advances in AI (Artificial Intelligence) will enable systems to make combat decisions and act within legal and policy constraints without necessarily requiring human input.”

Everything the Nazi regime did was legal to the Nazi regime.

They shouldn’t slow it down – they should kill the program. Won’t local police forces want the same capability or the nearest affordable spinoff?

I could never really stand that movie Robocop. They wouldn’t let that poor piece of a flesh die in two(?) sequels? If the fans didn’t get the point after the first one there is no hope for them.

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By: VoltairesGripe http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/01/31/more-drones-more-robots-more-wars/#comment-2207 Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:31:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=422#comment-2207 The writer…ahem…drones on about drones without asking critical and honest questions. Such as, why are drones preferred? Would a comparison with warfare absent the use of drones be any better than the current situation?

Here is a reality which Bernd never seems to face: Wars exist for reasons. We can all certainly deplore war. Violent death is by all reasonable and civilized consensus a horrible thing to be strenuously avoided. We can take mild comfort that the total world wars of the past have not (yet) been repeated. As much as we might wish that humans move beyond coercing and killing one another, it will inevitably continue for the foreseeable future.

A question I would like Bernd to answer (even if only to himself)is this: Has ever there been a just cause to wage war? Even the world’s chief pacifist, the Dalai Lama, has admitted that it was necessary to defeat the Axis during WW2. Other wars are not as obvious, but to any who are not blind the right of a people to defend themselves from conquest and attack is self-evident. Bernd, you have obviously been scarred by your experiences with bloodshed. Anyone would. Yet a generation of English and American politicians who’d also been scarred by their experiences in “The Great War” failed to adequately anticipate the rise and nature of Nazi Germany, leading to over 70 million preventable deaths. This is where absolutism in the name of peace leads, Bernd. Fancy slogans such as “You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war.” are wrong. Einstein was also wrong about Quantum Mechanics. Genius that he was, his word is not gospel.

To return to the question of the use of autonomous decision making drones in combat, while it is certainly appropriate to question the potential for problems and seek to develop protocols, it is myopic in the extreme to refuse to consider their use, presumably in the name of humanity. I read Singer’s book the week it came out, years ago. He raises many valid points of concern. But he acknowledges, as Bernd does not, that drones are no different than any other invention of war. Furthermore, the use of the term artificial intelligence is perhaps the most abused in the lexicon, summoning images of the Terminator or the Matrix. Artificial intelligence has not been achieved except in the most primitive lab confined instances. All programs are simply sets of instructions given by humans, no more. Singer makes this perfectly clear in his book.

The last point I would like to counter is the idea that if the sons and daughters of Americans will not be at risk in drone warfare it will make Americans more willing to wage ware is only half true. Another name for a half truth is a lie. Americans have certainly proven their willingness to allow their soldiers to be killed. Probably no first world country today could have sustained the American casualty rates in Iraq for years and yet remained in such a needless conflict. Americans had little historical or cultural or even strategic commitment to Iraq. Popular enthusiasm for the conflict peaked at 70% at the start of the invasion and plummeted within months until almost no Americans thought it was worth it, yet they continued to accept thousands of dead and maimed year after year after year.

Although there certainly have been innocent civilians killed in drone attacks, if one makes an honest comparison to how many would have been killed using pre drone methods, it becomes obvious that drone use thus far has been a less lethal option for innocent civilians and a more lethal option against enemy combatants. And yes, America has killed people it otherwise might not have been able to kill, such as the Al Queda leadership in the Swat and Yemen. To anyone who is truly informed of the danger to innocent civilians that these men posed, that can only be seen as saving more lives.

This might involve acknowledging that America’s battle with mass murdering terrorists is legitimate, however. I sense that this is after all the biggest hurdle for Bernd and like minded. Despite all the suicide attacks, bombings, and open declarations of war on the part of fundamentalist Islamic jihadists, many in the west are so committed to their own hatred of America that they actually believe if we simply stopped defending ourselves we wouldn’t need to defend ourselves anymore. I am absolutely willing to engage in harsh criticism of America’s many abject failings; however, the struggle against Al Queda is not imaginary and truly massive numbers of innocent people’s lives hang in the balance.

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By: hahax http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/01/31/more-drones-more-robots-more-wars/#comment-2202 Thu, 02 Feb 2012 00:10:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=422#comment-2202 Once it get’s to the point where robots can build and manage themselves under the directions of a few sociopaths at the top (and they’re all sociopaths at the top), things will get pretty nasty. Then again, America only votes for the pro war types, so there you have it, choose your own adventure. More war, coming right up.

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By: Mavvvy http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/01/31/more-drones-more-robots-more-wars/#comment-2200 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:24:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=422#comment-2200 @BidnisMan Or more importantly where would we be if operational decisions during the Cuban Missile Crisis were made by robots.

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By: BidnisMan http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/01/31/more-drones-more-robots-more-wars/#comment-2198 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 11:40:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=422#comment-2198 edit “…is NOT where this will leave us…”

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By: BidnisMan http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/01/31/more-drones-more-robots-more-wars/#comment-2197 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 11:39:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=422#comment-2197 I was born in 1977 and I have begun to take technological progress for granted. My concern is where this this will leave us in 10 years, but rather in a 100 years or a 1000 years? As much as many see technology as the answer to all problems my experience is that is at the same time the breeder of new problems. Where would we be today if the Cuban Missile Crisis had ended differently?

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By: middleterm http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/01/31/more-drones-more-robots-more-wars/#comment-2195 Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:07:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=422#comment-2195 Why not replace politicians with robots? Robots will make better decisions.

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