Comments on: America’s Wild West gun laws http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/03/23/americas-wild-west-gun-laws/ Tue, 31 Mar 2015 01:18:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: jonnykoop http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/03/23/americas-wild-west-gun-laws/#comment-2440 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:28:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=461#comment-2440 I think there are a few things that could have made this a stronger argument.

First of all, calling Zimmerman a “self-appointed vigilante” is a bit of a loaded assumption. It is undeniable that there is still tons of controversy over weather or not he was acting in self defense or not. So who are we to pass that judgement on him? And i feel like having this as the foundation of the whole argument only weakens it because we still do not know if that gun made him a vigilante or saved his life. If it saved his life (which it very well could have) then this example will only be lending credence to the opposing argument that favors concealed weapons.

I also feel like the inclusion of the opinion of the Congressional Black Caucus was somewhat of a mute point. Of course they would consider it a hate crime. It is no surprise to anyone that they would find a white man shooting a black teenager a hate crime.

And finally, the part about the FBI not compiling statistics on such cases is just flat out wrong. Every case like this is documented and stored electronically nowadays. it would take a matter of seconds for the FBI to look up similar crimes in a search engine.

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By: jonnykoop http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/03/23/americas-wild-west-gun-laws/#comment-2439 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:26:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=461#comment-2439 I think there are a few things that could have made this a stronger argument.

First of all, calling Zimmerman a “self-appointed vigilante” is a bit of a loaded assumption. It is undeniable that there is still tons of controversy over weather or not he was acting in self defense or not. So who are we to pass that judgement on him? And i feel like having this as the foundation of the whole argument only weakens it because we still do not know if that gun made him a vigilante or saved his life. If it saved his life (which it very well could have) then this example will only be lending credence to the opposing argument that favors concealed weapons.

I also feel like the inclusion of the opinion of the Congressional Black Caucus was somewhat of a mute point. Of course they would consider it a hate crime. It is no surprise to anyone that they would find a white man shooting a black teenager a hate crime.

And finally, the part about the FBI not compiling statistics on such cases is just flat out wrong. Every case like this is documented and stored electronically nowadays. it would take a matter of seconds for the FBI to look up similar crimes in a search engine.

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By: mheld45 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/03/23/americas-wild-west-gun-laws/#comment-2382 Sat, 07 Apr 2012 05:03:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=461#comment-2382 Besides, who cares what the Congressional Black Caucus has to say? Would you expect them to do anything other than exploit this situation in order to further their tired victimization identity? A visit to their website indicates no ongoing concern about black on black violence. For whom does the CBC exist? To further the interests of black Americans? Or to further the interests and profiles of its members?

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By: mheld45 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/03/23/americas-wild-west-gun-laws/#comment-2381 Sat, 07 Apr 2012 04:58:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=461#comment-2381 The author claims the existence of “previous such cases”. Which previous such cases? And the use of the word “vigilante” is not only biased and inflammatory, it is also a usage error. There is no evidence that Zimmerman was avenging a crime, so he is not a vigilante.

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By: ExhaustedSpark http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/03/23/americas-wild-west-gun-laws/#comment-2378 Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:23:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=461#comment-2378 There was not abrasions on the back of Zimmermans head. It was reported if they had taken him to the hospital rite away he would have needed stitches. Trevon was trying to kill him. Ignore mob rule. Clear zimmerman

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By: coldbluiceman http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/03/23/americas-wild-west-gun-laws/#comment-2374 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:35:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=461#comment-2374 I’ve read and re-read as much as I could find on this now-national event. SO from the eyewitness accounts Zimmerman the local watch captian exists his truck breifly to determine which street he is on..(I am surmising he does this to advise the police of where they can find Zimmerman), and as Zimmerman re-enters his truck, he is pyhsically assaulted by Martin.
As a result of Martin’s single blow to Zimmerman’s face,
Zimmerman is lying on the concrete and Martin is slamming Zimmerman’s head into the concrete sidewalk. As indicated by the grass stains on the back of Zimmerman’s shirt, and the abrasions to back of Zimmerman’s head, and Zimmerman’s bloodied face. While Martin is pummeling Zimmerman.., Zimmerman is calling out for assistance as recorded by the 911 operator.
Now all of these events are verified by the police and eye-witnesses and the 911 operator..
Then in an act of self-defence Zimmerman pulls his pistol and shoots Martin in the chest.

So now the left-wing is calling this a “Hate Crime”?
And Spike Lee & New Black Panthers want vengance for hispanic man defending is own life..?

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By: USAPragmatist http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/03/23/americas-wild-west-gun-laws/#comment-2373 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:58:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=461#comment-2373 Stambo, I could protect my self and my household very well with a pump action shotgun. I do not need nor want a handgun to protect myself. I love the constitution and all that it stands for, and one of these things the founders put in was the possibility to change it in the future if the need arises. They where smart enough to know times change.

When the 2nd Amendment was written it was a time of musket loaders, now we have hand guns that have 10 times the killing power in a small package. The time is past to amend the 2nd amendment to the 21st century, yet still preserving the spirit of the 2nd amendment which is the forming of a militia against a tyrannical govt. You do not need pistols in a militia, you need rifles and the such.

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By: stambo2001 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/03/23/americas-wild-west-gun-laws/#comment-2372 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:03:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=461#comment-2372 Pretty simple logic here folks, if you stand against personal ownership of firearms then you stand against being responsible for your and your families safety. Who is going to protect you, the police? Nope. The police do NOT protect you in the ‘moment’. The police are only a deterrent to law abiding citizens that follow the law. Criminals do NOT follow the law and tend to act when the police are NOT present.

Benjamin Franklin said it best: “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” An essential liberty is the RIGHT to defend your very life by any means necessary which we know as the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. If you don’t like the Constitution of the United States of America then please move.

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By: Bill_Greenlee http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/03/23/americas-wild-west-gun-laws/#comment-2370 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:52:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=461#comment-2370 Actually, some states here have wacky gun laws as judged by this Californian. I’m satisfied with ours here. We still have people shooting each other with legal and illegal weapons, though. The law doesn’t come into account until the deed is done. Given that there are 311 million people here, I think we do okay.

I think that, though there are gun carry laws in many states, most people aren’t toting regularly. They like to believe that they could, though, for whatever mentally imbalanced reason they could have. Mr. Zimmerman is a case, though. He left his home to ‘patrol’ with a gun. In California, Neighborhood Watch members do not ‘patrol’, you simply report any suspicious activity to the police. Mr. Zimmerman apparently did this and the police told him they would handle it and for him to back off to which he replied that he would continue his pursuit anyway. Zimmerman said the boy was acting suspiciously meaning, I think, he was a black man in a hoodie. He apparently confronted the boy and shot him when the boy resisted. There is no reason reported to believe that the boy attacked Zimmerman on his own. On the basis of my understanding of the event as I’ve described, Zimmerman should be locked up. Of course, I’m 3,000 miles away and may not know all the details. The Feds are there investigating and I hope I’ll be satisfied with that. They should investigate the Florida police while they’re at it. While blacks are treated in the States, and the world for that matter, with various degrees of disdain, the South has a 200 year reputation of holding blacks with their own special regard.

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By: CaptnCrunch http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/2012/03/23/americas-wild-west-gun-laws/#comment-2369 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 02:29:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/bernddebusmann/?p=461#comment-2369 I apologize Berndt, yes you did write an excellent op-ed about “guns up, crime down”, but you didn’t carry the thought forward to this piece. Here we’re back to the “Wild West, guns guns guns, bad bad bad”. You are better than that sir.

And @furiousstyles, I didn’t change the subject, I spoke directly to it. We have a system of jurisprudence in this country and trial by public opinion usurps it horribly. If you claim the right of “innocent until proven guilty”, you must afford it to others.

You nor I know what happened that night and everything we read is hearsay. Rather than wait for informed investigation and release of Grand Jury findings you would draw blood based on opinion…yet you say I’m the kook.

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