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	<title>Comments on: Newsmakers: Debating Darfur</title>
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		<title>By: Tommy Boy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/2007/05/18/newsmakers-debating-darfur/#comment-187805</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UN has always been useless except in a belated effort of "meals on wheels".  Debate is equally useless.  The only thing these governments understand is raw military force - but after seeing how that turned out in Iraq I for one don't want to see another US soldier sent to any other country on the face of the earth.  You can point to Kosovo if you want, but US soldiers are still there 10 years later.  Some problems can't be fixed, and it's high time we understand that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UN has always been useless except in a belated effort of &#8220;meals on wheels&#8221;.  Debate is equally useless.  The only thing these governments understand is raw military force - but after seeing how that turned out in Iraq I for one don&#8217;t want to see another US soldier sent to any other country on the face of the earth.  You can point to Kosovo if you want, but US soldiers are still there 10 years later.  Some problems can&#8217;t be fixed, and it&#8217;s high time we understand that.</p>
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		<title>By: Khaled Dajani</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/2007/05/18/newsmakers-debating-darfur/#comment-184650</link>
		<dc:creator>Khaled Dajani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 18:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing to debate. We've been debating for years now. Action is needed. GET ON IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing to debate. We&#8217;ve been debating for years now. Action is needed. GET ON IT!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/2007/05/18/newsmakers-debating-darfur/#comment-184500</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 14:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the media has determined in the best interest of Dufar is to have a discussion.  So lets all sit down and have an intellectual debate about murder, rape, and the destruction of a people.  As I sit here in my safe environment I have to wonder if I can do anything.  Maybe I should just debate the wall in front of me, because that would be just as affective as this panel will be in helping Dufar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the media has determined in the best interest of Dufar is to have a discussion.  So lets all sit down and have an intellectual debate about murder, rape, and the destruction of a people.  As I sit here in my safe environment I have to wonder if I can do anything.  Maybe I should just debate the wall in front of me, because that would be just as affective as this panel will be in helping Dufar.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Marquis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Marquis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 13:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Far too many aid agencies are pushing the United Nations to pass sanctions in Sudan?  I personally don't see that helping or changing the situation for the better.

Would sanctions work to end the genocide or are they absolutely pointless?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far too many aid agencies are pushing the United Nations to pass sanctions in Sudan?  I personally don&#8217;t see that helping or changing the situation for the better.</p>
<p>Would sanctions work to end the genocide or are they absolutely pointless?</p>
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		<title>By: Inner City Press</title>
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		<dc:creator>Inner City Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 12:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is / gives rise to a question not only the UN participant(s) on the panel (what happened to Hedi Annabi?), but also, with all due respect, to Reuters, to clarify how much contact Ban Ki-moon has had with President Bashir (nothing since Doha in April, one of your panelists told us at the UN, despite the Washington Post report over past weekend).  Rather than re-write it up, here's some pertinent paragraphs that form these question(s) --

On Darfur, Questions of Ban's Calls and Kazakh Plane Allegations

By: Matthew Russell Lee of Inner City Press, News Analysis

UNITED NATIONS, May 18 -- About Darfur, the UN says many things. 

    But which of them are true?

            On May 16, Ban Ki-moon gave an interview to Reuters television, which Reuters online the next day reported:

"Ban, in an interview with Reuters television on Wednesday, said, 'We have a firm agreement in principle between the Sudanese government and United Nations and African Union that there will be a hybrid operation, so therefore it is a matter of implementing this commitment. It is very important for Sudanese government to keep their commitment,' he said, after having conducted a series of telephone calls with Sudan's President Omar Hassan al-Bashir."

            But Al Rayyam newspaper in Khartoum on May 18 quoted a Sudanese official who "denied any contact with the UN Secretary General on the AU-UN hybrid operation in Darfur" and who said that "the last phone call between Ban and the Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir was 'three weeks ago.'"

            Which is it? The Al Rayyam report was picked up the same day by the Sudan Tribune, which is an English-language publication which is included in the Ban's spokesperson's "morning headlines. But this Sudan Tribune report, with the headline " Sudan denies discussing hybrid force with UN Secretary General," was not included, only another story not directly contradicting the Reuters piece which, whether accurate or not, made Ban look relatively strong and effective. 

   The Reuters piece went on to quote unnamed Ban "aides" directing the press and public to a speech Ban made to a by-invitation-only event at the Korea Society:

"Aides describe Ban as persistent in pursuing agreement on the force, noting that he told the Korea Society earlier this week that Darfur put to the test 'the authority of the Security Council, the image of the United Nations in the Arab world and the credibility of the United Nations.'"

            The UN's credibility is not only put to the test by the presence or absence of violence in Sudan, but by statements made right at its headquarters in New York. Did Ban's office seek any correction from Al Rayyat?  UN envoy Jan Eliasson, presented to the select(ed) press Friday by Ban's Spokesperson, said that Sudanese "civil society" must be engaged. So one would think the UN would repudiate false reports in the Sudanese press, if they were false. 

    Or perhaps Reuters mistakenly tied Ban's boasts on Wednesday to the "series of calls" with Bashir which Reuters only surmised. But then it would have been important for the UN to seek clarification and amendment by Reuters. Because the result is Ban's claims about conversations with Bashir being directly denied in the Sudanese press, to the Sudanese civil society than Mr. Eliasson says is so crucial is peace is to be restored, by the UN or anyone else.

con't at www.innercitypress.com/darfur051807.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is / gives rise to a question not only the UN participant(s) on the panel (what happened to Hedi Annabi?), but also, with all due respect, to Reuters, to clarify how much contact Ban Ki-moon has had with President Bashir (nothing since Doha in April, one of your panelists told us at the UN, despite the Washington Post report over past weekend).  Rather than re-write it up, here&#8217;s some pertinent paragraphs that form these question(s) &#8211;</p>
<p>On Darfur, Questions of Ban&#8217;s Calls and Kazakh Plane Allegations</p>
<p>By: Matthew Russell Lee of Inner City Press, News Analysis</p>
<p>UNITED NATIONS, May 18 &#8212; About Darfur, the UN says many things. </p>
<p>    But which of them are true?</p>
<p>            On May 16, Ban Ki-moon gave an interview to Reuters television, which Reuters online the next day reported:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ban, in an interview with Reuters television on Wednesday, said, &#8216;We have a firm agreement in principle between the Sudanese government and United Nations and African Union that there will be a hybrid operation, so therefore it is a matter of implementing this commitment. It is very important for Sudanese government to keep their commitment,&#8217; he said, after having conducted a series of telephone calls with Sudan&#8217;s President Omar Hassan al-Bashir.&#8221;</p>
<p>            But Al Rayyam newspaper in Khartoum on May 18 quoted a Sudanese official who &#8220;denied any contact with the UN Secretary General on the AU-UN hybrid operation in Darfur&#8221; and who said that &#8220;the last phone call between Ban and the Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir was &#8216;three weeks ago.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>            Which is it? The Al Rayyam report was picked up the same day by the Sudan Tribune, which is an English-language publication which is included in the Ban&#8217;s spokesperson&#8217;s &#8220;morning headlines. But this Sudan Tribune report, with the headline &#8221; Sudan denies discussing hybrid force with UN Secretary General,&#8221; was not included, only another story not directly contradicting the Reuters piece which, whether accurate or not, made Ban look relatively strong and effective. </p>
<p>   The Reuters piece went on to quote unnamed Ban &#8220;aides&#8221; directing the press and public to a speech Ban made to a by-invitation-only event at the Korea Society:</p>
<p>&#8220;Aides describe Ban as persistent in pursuing agreement on the force, noting that he told the Korea Society earlier this week that Darfur put to the test &#8216;the authority of the Security Council, the image of the United Nations in the Arab world and the credibility of the United Nations.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>            The UN&#8217;s credibility is not only put to the test by the presence or absence of violence in Sudan, but by statements made right at its headquarters in New York. Did Ban&#8217;s office seek any correction from Al Rayyat?  UN envoy Jan Eliasson, presented to the select(ed) press Friday by Ban&#8217;s Spokesperson, said that Sudanese &#8220;civil society&#8221; must be engaged. So one would think the UN would repudiate false reports in the Sudanese press, if they were false. </p>
<p>    Or perhaps Reuters mistakenly tied Ban&#8217;s boasts on Wednesday to the &#8220;series of calls&#8221; with Bashir which Reuters only surmised. But then it would have been important for the UN to seek clarification and amendment by Reuters. Because the result is Ban&#8217;s claims about conversations with Bashir being directly denied in the Sudanese press, to the Sudanese civil society than Mr. Eliasson says is so crucial is peace is to be restored, by the UN or anyone else.</p>
<p>con&#8217;t at <a href="http://www.innercitypress.com/darfur051807.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.innercitypress.com/darfur0518 07.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Drima @ The Sudanese Thinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drima @ The Sudanese Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 03:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some questions and statements that I'd like to address to the panelists

To the media:

There has been a lot of talk recently about China being "the enabler of genocide" due to their support of the Khartoum government. Why hasn't there been talk or focus about who the enablers of the rebels are? The rebels receive support from certain groups whether directly or indirectly. Shouldn't those groups be scrutinized too for playing an enabling role in the conflict and dragging it further?

To intervention supporters:

The goal of intervention supporters is to help ease Darfur's pain. Do pro-interventionists truly believe that intervention is going to make things better? Jihad is inevitable. That certainly ought to make the war messier and more violent. What will UN troops do then?


To the Sudanese Ambassador to the UN:

The Darfur conflict generally hasn't been portrayed accurately in the Western media. However on the other hand, don't you believe the way the conflict is being downlplayed by the Sudanese government shows a lack of respect for Sudanese lives especially when statements like "only 9,000 have died" are stated openly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some questions and statements that I&#8217;d like to address to the panelists</p>
<p>To the media:</p>
<p>There has been a lot of talk recently about China being &#8220;the enabler of genocide&#8221; due to their support of the Khartoum government. Why hasn&#8217;t there been talk or focus about who the enablers of the rebels are? The rebels receive support from certain groups whether directly or indirectly. Shouldn&#8217;t those groups be scrutinized too for playing an enabling role in the conflict and dragging it further?</p>
<p>To intervention supporters:</p>
<p>The goal of intervention supporters is to help ease Darfur&#8217;s pain. Do pro-interventionists truly believe that intervention is going to make things better? Jihad is inevitable. That certainly ought to make the war messier and more violent. What will UN troops do then?</p>
<p>To the Sudanese Ambassador to the UN:</p>
<p>The Darfur conflict generally hasn&#8217;t been portrayed accurately in the Western media. However on the other hand, don&#8217;t you believe the way the conflict is being downlplayed by the Sudanese government shows a lack of respect for Sudanese lives especially when statements like &#8220;only 9,000 have died&#8221; are stated openly?</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac Rowlett</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/2007/05/18/newsmakers-debating-darfur/#comment-184199</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaac Rowlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 02:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question for Mr. Guehenno: What do you see as the MOST LIKELY situation in Darfur in a year's time? Note: Please press him on this because he is a brilliant diplomat but frank when pressured. Thank you. 

Also, I very much want to go to this panel but I don't see the location listed on the website. Could you please post it more prominently? (My apologies if I simply missed it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question for Mr. Guehenno: What do you see as the MOST LIKELY situation in Darfur in a year&#8217;s time? Note: Please press him on this because he is a brilliant diplomat but frank when pressured. Thank you. </p>
<p>Also, I very much want to go to this panel but I don&#8217;t see the location listed on the website. Could you please post it more prominently? (My apologies if I simply missed it)</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn Polish</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/2007/05/18/newsmakers-debating-darfur/#comment-184191</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn Polish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 02:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This country (led by the media) is consistently chilled and outraged by school shootings and natural disasters. And so we should be: so we should be. Yet these horrors practically define every day life in Darfur, and what do we do?

It is evident that sustained pressure is required: "ordinary" people must continue to speak relentlessly about Darfur - the media will catch on if we are persistent enough. And if the media truly catches on, the world will follow. Sustained efforts to keep Darfur in the news are required on all of our parts: individual calls for China to pressure Khartoum and for a cohesive peace process (see International Crisis Group's report on Darfur from late April) add up to a powerful voice which will be heard if only we sustain it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This country (led by the media) is consistently chilled and outraged by school shootings and natural disasters. And so we should be: so we should be. Yet these horrors practically define every day life in Darfur, and what do we do?</p>
<p>It is evident that sustained pressure is required: &#8220;ordinary&#8221; people must continue to speak relentlessly about Darfur - the media will catch on if we are persistent enough. And if the media truly catches on, the world will follow. Sustained efforts to keep Darfur in the news are required on all of our parts: individual calls for China to pressure Khartoum and for a cohesive peace process (see International Crisis Group&#8217;s report on Darfur from late April) add up to a powerful voice which will be heard if only we sustain it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Okie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/2007/05/18/newsmakers-debating-darfur/#comment-183376</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Okie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 19:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ambassador Abdalhaleem,

What does Khartoum want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ambassador Abdalhaleem,</p>
<p>What does Khartoum want?</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Okie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/2007/05/18/newsmakers-debating-darfur/#comment-183324</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Okie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 17:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?

From Gareth Evans:  "It has taken the world an insanely long time to come to terms conceptually with the idea that state sovereignty is not a license to kill  that there is something fundamentally and intolerably wrong about states murdering or forcibly displacing large numbers of their own citizens, or standing by when others do so." 

Do private citizens have to form their own peacekeeping force to protect the people of Darfur?  Is that the only they are going to be protected?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?</p>
<p>From Gareth Evans:  &#8220;It has taken the world an insanely long time to come to terms conceptually with the idea that state sovereignty is not a license to kill  that there is something fundamentally and intolerably wrong about states murdering or forcibly displacing large numbers of their own citizens, or standing by when others do so.&#8221; </p>
<p>Do private citizens have to form their own peacekeeping force to protect the people of Darfur?  Is that the only they are going to be protected?</p>
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