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	<title>Comments on: Namir Noor-Eldeen and Saeed Chmagh</title>
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		<title>By: aphid</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/archives/7983/comment-page-1#comment-374685</link>
		<dc:creator>aphid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 00:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is horrible news, so awful to lose such dedicated, kind men.  My hopes are with their families and friends and with you, their colleagues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is horrible news, so awful to lose such dedicated, kind men.  My hopes are with their families and friends and with you, their colleagues.</p>
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		<title>By: projectsinexile</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/archives/7983/comment-page-1#comment-374482</link>
		<dc:creator>projectsinexile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is clear from the language used by the soldiers, that they are just looking for &#039;action&#039;, any action, at any cost.A close reading of the exchanges in the dialogue, will reveal that this was not a &#039;mistake&#039; this was a vicious &#039;video game&#039;. We can focus on the images, verey revealing as well, but the language does not leave a trace of doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is clear from the language used by the soldiers, that they are just looking for &#8216;action&#8217;, any action, at any cost.A close reading of the exchanges in the dialogue, will reveal that this was not a &#8216;mistake&#8217; this was a vicious &#8216;video game&#8217;. We can focus on the images, verey revealing as well, but the language does not leave a trace of doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: seanrourke111</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/archives/7983/comment-page-1#comment-374476</link>
		<dc:creator>seanrourke111</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it may be easy for people to lose sight of common human priorities, maybe in the name of &quot;progress,&quot; &quot;development,&quot; or some other term which we come to believe in.  Most of us are probably guilty of this. I for one feel that I have neglected family, friends and my emotional health, at times, for career. I am sure that the Blackhawk pilot (gunman?) had invested much of his life in developing his own military value.  Let us not only become something we invest in however, especially if this might render us blind to some very fundamentals. Soldier: &quot;Well, don&#039;t bring children to a battle.&quot;  Wrong.  &quot;You don&#039;t bring battle to children.&quot;   I am saddened and angered that this is happening in my world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it may be easy for people to lose sight of common human priorities, maybe in the name of &#8220;progress,&#8221; &#8220;development,&#8221; or some other term which we come to believe in.  Most of us are probably guilty of this. I for one feel that I have neglected family, friends and my emotional health, at times, for career. I am sure that the Blackhawk pilot (gunman?) had invested much of his life in developing his own military value.  Let us not only become something we invest in however, especially if this might render us blind to some very fundamentals. Soldier: &#8220;Well, don&#8217;t bring children to a battle.&#8221;  Wrong.  &#8220;You don&#8217;t bring battle to children.&#8221;   I am saddened and angered that this is happening in my world.</p>
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		<title>By: poptop</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/archives/7983/comment-page-1#comment-374475</link>
		<dc:creator>poptop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 23:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atrocities like this are a result of Americans unwillingness to face the truth about why we were attacked on 9/11. It had nothing to do with others hating our freedoms and democracy and everything to do with our policies toward the rest of the world. And yet half of America will believe the murders of Namir and Saeed are justifiable because of 9/11. It&#039;s sickening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atrocities like this are a result of Americans unwillingness to face the truth about why we were attacked on 9/11. It had nothing to do with others hating our freedoms and democracy and everything to do with our policies toward the rest of the world. And yet half of America will believe the murders of Namir and Saeed are justifiable because of 9/11. It&#8217;s sickening.</p>
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		<title>By: hi5kenn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/archives/7983/comment-page-1#comment-374474</link>
		<dc:creator>hi5kenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lockerbie set the legal standard for state sponsored killing of civilians at ten million dollars per murdered human. When the cost of &quot;remotely&quot; killing civilians is ten million dollars, positive identification and engagement of the &quot;enemy&quot; by on-the-ground soldiers becomes more cost effective. Governments must be held to the highest standards of warfare. The killing of civilians must have financial consequences for their military actions. To value one murdered group more is raceism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lockerbie set the legal standard for state sponsored killing of civilians at ten million dollars per murdered human. When the cost of &#8220;remotely&#8221; killing civilians is ten million dollars, positive identification and engagement of the &#8220;enemy&#8221; by on-the-ground soldiers becomes more cost effective. Governments must be held to the highest standards of warfare. The killing of civilians must have financial consequences for their military actions. To value one murdered group more is raceism.</p>
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		<title>By: Deyson</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/archives/7983/comment-page-1#comment-374473</link>
		<dc:creator>Deyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are we there again?

From what I understand this country is in huge debt, should we not be saving our money instead of using it to destroy in a time were we should be building.

The audio on the video found at http://www.collateralmurder.com/ does not sound like professional personnel doing a job, but instead of some young kids playing xbox at home. Is this what we have come to, people having fun killing on our tax dollars?

Watching this video made me so sad to be a human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we there again?</p>
<p>From what I understand this country is in huge debt, should we not be saving our money instead of using it to destroy in a time were we should be building.</p>
<p>The audio on the video found at <a href='http://www.collateralmurder.com/'>http://www.collateralmurder.com/</a> does not sound like professional personnel doing a job, but instead of some young kids playing xbox at home. Is this what we have come to, people having fun killing on our tax dollars?</p>
<p>Watching this video made me so sad to be a human.</p>
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		<title>By: hminkema</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/archives/7983/comment-page-1#comment-374471</link>
		<dc:creator>hminkema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 08:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Granted, then gunmen who fired from the Apache helicopters were not out to kill journalists. They were out to kill (&#039;take out&#039;) violent insurgents.

Yet it is obvious even to us, who are not military personnel, that there was no imminent danger and no convincing indication whatsoever that these men were violent insurgents, or that they carried dangerous weapons.

In short: the US gunmen had no reason to kill these men. Yet they killed them, ruthlessly.

Follows the incident with the black van. Even to a layman&#039;s eye, the drivers of the van had no bad intentions: they wanted to transport the body of an injured man. Shooting at these drivers and at their car is clearly a violation of the Geneva act, thus it is a war crime.

The REAL war crime is that high up in the Pentagon and high up in NATO, such rules of engagement are handed out, and that war crimes of our own men are never sentenced in court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted, then gunmen who fired from the Apache helicopters were not out to kill journalists. They were out to kill (&#8216;take out&#8217;) violent insurgents.</p>
<p>Yet it is obvious even to us, who are not military personnel, that there was no imminent danger and no convincing indication whatsoever that these men were violent insurgents, or that they carried dangerous weapons.</p>
<p>In short: the US gunmen had no reason to kill these men. Yet they killed them, ruthlessly.</p>
<p>Follows the incident with the black van. Even to a layman&#8217;s eye, the drivers of the van had no bad intentions: they wanted to transport the body of an injured man. Shooting at these drivers and at their car is clearly a violation of the Geneva act, thus it is a war crime.</p>
<p>The REAL war crime is that high up in the Pentagon and high up in NATO, such rules of engagement are handed out, and that war crimes of our own men are never sentenced in court.</p>
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		<title>By: johnjjt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/archives/7983/comment-page-1#comment-374469</link>
		<dc:creator>johnjjt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 02:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you view the full video, the camera man points his camera around a corner, taking a photo of a Bradley tank down the road, as mentioned in the radio chatter. From the helicopter, the camera looks like a rocket propelled grenade was aimed at American forces, if you listen to the radio chatter.

As the the group walks across the courtyard, the full version video shows three men, not in the shortened video, clearly carrying weapons, rifles and what appears to be a long barreled grenade launcher. Since American forces were fighting insurgents in the area, and the helicopters were providing cover, engagement was permitted. 

Unfortunately, they killed the camera men, however, they did kill the other insurgents carrying weapons. 

The vehicle on the ground could have contained weapons and since American forces were in the area, the helicopter crew felt engagement was necessary.

No war crimes were committed.  Just an unfortunate incident for the camera crew working with insurgent forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you view the full video, the camera man points his camera around a corner, taking a photo of a Bradley tank down the road, as mentioned in the radio chatter. From the helicopter, the camera looks like a rocket propelled grenade was aimed at American forces, if you listen to the radio chatter.</p>
<p>As the the group walks across the courtyard, the full version video shows three men, not in the shortened video, clearly carrying weapons, rifles and what appears to be a long barreled grenade launcher. Since American forces were fighting insurgents in the area, and the helicopters were providing cover, engagement was permitted. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, they killed the camera men, however, they did kill the other insurgents carrying weapons. </p>
<p>The vehicle on the ground could have contained weapons and since American forces were in the area, the helicopter crew felt engagement was necessary.</p>
<p>No war crimes were committed.  Just an unfortunate incident for the camera crew working with insurgent forces.</p>
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		<title>By: johnlewisgrant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/archives/7983/comment-page-1#comment-374468</link>
		<dc:creator>johnlewisgrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that we are closer to the truth about these horrific events, it seems fair to say that these men were not &quot;killed,&quot; but something evidently much closer to &quot;murdered.&quot;  Indiscriminate slaughter by American troops I call murder.  The helocopter gunmen in question should be dealt with by the courts, and if the video released yesterday is accurate, they should spend the rest of their natural lives behind bars.  The families of the dead should be fully compensated.  The US government is not, at least yet, judgement proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that we are closer to the truth about these horrific events, it seems fair to say that these men were not &#8220;killed,&#8221; but something evidently much closer to &#8220;murdered.&#8221;  Indiscriminate slaughter by American troops I call murder.  The helocopter gunmen in question should be dealt with by the courts, and if the video released yesterday is accurate, they should spend the rest of their natural lives behind bars.  The families of the dead should be fully compensated.  The US government is not, at least yet, judgement proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias001</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/archives/7983/comment-page-1#comment-374467</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthias001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Campbell was right. The truth is different than official story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Campbell was right. The truth is different than official story.</p>
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