Comments on: The myth of the man-cession http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2009/10/06/the-myth-of-the-man-cession/ Mon, 26 Sep 2016 03:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: f belz http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2009/10/06/the-myth-of-the-man-cession/comment-page-1/#comment-329 Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:44:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=506#comment-329 Looks like a waste of paper and breath. We have a recession and we need to treat it as such. Stop the high pressure sales pitch that we can spend our way out of this recession. A change in the direction to bring manufacturing back into the country and to tell our children that they may have to use a shovel rather than push a pencil is what is needed. We do not have leadership in either party in Washington because they are too busy getting elected and making eloquent speeches.

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By: i,robert http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2009/10/06/the-myth-of-the-man-cession/comment-page-1/#comment-328 Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:41:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=506#comment-328 Of course most employers are going to let go the men when it comes to reduction in work force. Do you honestly think that they will let go any of the eye candy?

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By: Victor http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2009/10/06/the-myth-of-the-man-cession/comment-page-1/#comment-327 Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:24:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=506#comment-327 What a poor article.

Feminism has and is destroying this country. I hope this equality talk is soon done with, because guess what…everyone is not equal! The United States should be a meritocracy not a place where you get resources based on your gender or race. Ridiculous. The welfare state is going to be the end of the west: see California.

Also, why would someone want their kids to be raised by strangers at a day care? If you do not think that seeing after the families’ needs is a big job then you’re horribly wrong. You cannot buy the type of emotional support that a child needs in order to be raised correctly.

The end of the west: feminism, increased low skill immigration, government being run by special interest corporations, the list goes on….

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By: shawn http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2009/10/06/the-myth-of-the-man-cession/comment-page-1/#comment-259 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:04:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=506#comment-259 I believe that women should be able to paid the equal amount of salary as a man with the same education background, degrees, experience etc..I am an African American man who never fills out the race/gender part of an application because I don’t want to be tracked and given a position because of my race. Since it is a choice, I choose not to fill that information out. I do feel that there is a disparity, however it has nothing to do with statistical analysis. It’s called the” entitlement” clause. I feel that a large number of women in the work force have the entitlement bug bad. The feminist movement has given us a generation of women that thirst for power. I have encountered it too many times. Men are represented in society as thugs, lunks, idiots, needing our spouses approval to go to the bathroom. It is taboo to insult women in anyway, or to insinuate anything but divinity regarding their qualities. My point is, the salary-gap, men-cession problem is somewhat exaggerated, but only because modern society does not seem to value good, hard working , honest men over petulant and self-titled bratty girls and women.

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By: Matt http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2009/10/06/the-myth-of-the-man-cession/comment-page-1/#comment-256 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:03:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=506#comment-256 Jessica,

As a male who does all the housework, PTA conferences, child care, and grocery shopping with zero help from any female of any kind… Get stuffed!

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By: Matt http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2009/10/06/the-myth-of-the-man-cession/comment-page-1/#comment-255 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:00:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=506#comment-255 OMG what an over-rationalized piece of crap. The wage gap and the lay-off gap have the same source: Female aversion to risk. Sometimes risk-aversion is the right play, and sometimes it is not. Additionally, it is much more plausible that the “motherhood penalty” is related to actual lost performance. The alternative presented in your piece presupposes the employer’s ability to discern the number of children in the home. Speaking as a single father, I can attest to a significant drain on productivity in my own career. In fact, I would say that this drain ammounts to the single largest expense associated with raising a child.

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By: Anonymous http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2009/10/06/the-myth-of-the-man-cession/comment-page-1/#comment-225 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:23:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=506#comment-225 Josh,

Your post is right-on. I joined the workforce in the late 1980’s, and work in a very male dominated profession (engineering). During my career I have worked for some of the nation’s largest corporations.

I have consistently observed that women tend not to work as hard as men at the workplace. I’ve noticed that very few women choose to study math and engineering disciplines in college. Those who do tend to want to have the shorter work weeks, more “personal time,” and are not as productive as their male counterparts. As technology advances, they tend not to keep-up their skills. When I was a young engineer in the mid 80’s, perhaps 10% of coworkers around my age were female. I currently work for a very large corporation that places a very high value on diversity, but there are zero Sr. female engineers. All of the females are junior, in their early to mid 20’s.

Your observation that attractive women’s productivity is lower than that of not-so-attractive women is also true of men. I’ve noticed that attractive men, especially tall attractive men occupy lofty positions, many of which they do not merit by training or their accomplishments. I’ve lost track of the number of times I have been in a meeting sitting at a table listening to some male Sr. Manager who does not seem to know what he is talking about, and the more he talks, the more I wonder, “how in the world did this guy even become vice president of whatever?” In every case, the guy is attractive, and when the meeting ends and he stands up, it becomes crystal clear. If only I were about 4 inches taller.

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By: Jessica http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2009/10/06/the-myth-of-the-man-cession/comment-page-1/#comment-220 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:42:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=506#comment-220 And people wonder why women wait longer to have children, or don’t have them at all?

If you’re already making 80% of a man’s pay (at full time) and then a 5% reduction per child (likely from passed-over bonuses,etc), then 2 children (the average number) already sets you back to a 70% loss in salary. Add in all the housework, PTA conferences, child care, grocery shopping, and all the other things mums get stuck with(that men traditionally don’t help with) then that’s a raw deal, isn’t it? Who wants to take a 30% or more reduction for twice the work?

It must be nice to be a woman in one of those “socialist” Scandinavian countries who enjoy family-friendly benefits AND a much lower wage gap!

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By: hParker http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2009/10/06/the-myth-of-the-man-cession/comment-page-1/#comment-218 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:29:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=506#comment-218 Working Man asserted that much of the 81 percent vs. 100 percent wage *difference* is accounted for by shorter working hours and choice of industry.

But what about the when the number of hours, the type of job, and the industry are all the same? What we need are reliable statistics about full-time earnings by men and women in at least one specific type of job.

How about a study of earnings at one-year and three-year anniversaries in the *same* type of non-supervisory job. Three separate possible target populations: police officers in Seattle, air traffic controllers in Boston, and untenured professors at 4-year colleges in Baltimore.

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By: Patricia http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2009/10/06/the-myth-of-the-man-cession/comment-page-1/#comment-214 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:17:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=506#comment-214 Single moms are dependle workers. Who can we depend on?

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