Comments on: Fracking leak hands Earth Day gift to green energy http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2011/04/21/fracking-leak-hands-earth-day-gift-to-green-energy/ Mon, 26 Sep 2016 03:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: UncleNed-222 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2011/04/21/fracking-leak-hands-earth-day-gift-to-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-7256 Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:04:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=5814#comment-7256 There is another enormous, readily available, perfectly clean alternative available for phasing in any time we grow up and decide to take make a little effort. It’s called efficiency, something that we’ve seen more and more of, especially when the financial incentives increase, and the best way to achieve it is to let these uncomfortably high energy prices keep motivating us. From the thousands of little efforts we can each make each day (turn off unused transformers, lights, appliances, cut down on driving miles whenever we can, and drive a little slower when we do) – up to the bigger things we can do – shop for the most fuel efficient new vehicles, insulate the house… innovations like the Kite Sail http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/cargill -will-have-kite-sail-on-30000.html

For what it’s worth, energy that doesn’t get used in the first place saves the utilities having to use the most expensive available power sources.

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By: philbrabe http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2011/04/21/fracking-leak-hands-earth-day-gift-to-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-7228 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 23:04:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=5814#comment-7228 Somebody upthread says the SF wind farm will take 77 years to repay. So I Googled it; the farm will cost $2B to build, a comparable nuke plant would cost around $10B UPFRONT- then there are all those pesky operational costs and problems that crop up years and decades later, where as a broken wind turbine you just tear down [in 35 years after it’s been making nearly free electricity all that time]. Of course, covering the entire west coastline with wind farms wouldn’t take care of the energy problems we’re facing… The other point: Does it really matter how many long or short term jobs are created by the wind farm? Is there a minimum number of jobs needed to satisfy some cost per watt formula and make an energy plant a good thing? puhleeze

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By: Palmquist1 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2011/04/21/fracking-leak-hands-earth-day-gift-to-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-7207 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:56:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=5814#comment-7207 Fracting is not the way to go, this is Bush polices, and your can’t drink the water and your can light it up with a match.

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By: fallingup http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2011/04/21/fracking-leak-hands-earth-day-gift-to-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-7186 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:38:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=5814#comment-7186 The “green energy sources” like wind and solar are diffuse. So they have the disadvantage that a huge amount of land area would be required to produce a significant proportion of our energy needs.
For example, the Shepherds Flat wind project uses 30 square miles to produce the 850 megawatts. That’s the peak capacity. Since the wind doesn’t blow all the time, the actual estimated average output is 228 megawatts(from Wikipedia’s figure for the annual energy output of this wind farm).
People in the United States use an average of 250 kWh per day; that’s industrial and government power use as well as personal use (number from the book “Sustainable energy without the hot air”). There are about 310 million people in the United States.
If you scaled up the Shepherds Flat wind project to supply the United States’ energy needs, it would occupy 424,890 square miles! That would be a square 650 miles on a side!
Wind and solar, if they were scaled up to become a major contribution to our energy needs, would cause a huge environmental impact because of using so much land, and they no longer look all that “green”.

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By: Harry079 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2011/04/21/fracking-leak-hands-earth-day-gift-to-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-7182 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:16:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=5814#comment-7182 Fracking is like injecting Lysol into your spetic tank to extract methane.

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By: lecourt http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2011/04/21/fracking-leak-hands-earth-day-gift-to-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-7171 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:59:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=5814#comment-7171 It is interesting to see a mix of comparative apparent costs of energy sources and a comment on the subsidies required by renewables.
What we forget in this comparison is to consider life-time costs of each form of energy and that, for the most part, it is still “free to pollute”.
One day we should indulge in the exercise of full costing, lifetime impacts and removal of subsidies from all energy types. I bet the conclusion will be a different one.

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By: iowafarm http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2011/04/21/fracking-leak-hands-earth-day-gift-to-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-7168 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:30:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=5814#comment-7168 The EPA ignores the methane being dumped into public drinking water by fracking and yet, this year, they have decided to regulate “oil spills” by farmers housing a small fuel storage tank on their farms. We now need to hire an engineer to certify our oil spill plan! What about BP and frackers? Nada. The height of this stupidity surfaced this week when they issued an “exemption” for spilled milk that contains animal fats. Meanwhile, Lisa Jackson shows up here in Iowa trying to appease ag critics of EPA. How stupid can you get????

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By: Conservastore http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2011/04/21/fracking-leak-hands-earth-day-gift-to-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-7167 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:26:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=5814#comment-7167 Please check our blog on Hydraulic Fracking and it’s possible boon to business and hazard to environment and humans surrounding the industrial areas.

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By: moneywon http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2011/04/21/fracking-leak-hands-earth-day-gift-to-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-7165 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:00:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=5814#comment-7165 I noticed you neglect the fact that the SF Wind Farm is estimated to take 77 years to repay the cost of building it and employing 35 people (under the best circumstances and including huge tax breaks), and that the life of the turbines is only 35 years.
Wind is a scam. The cost of those 850MW would be ridiculous. I guess we’ll get used to seeing the stars at night again.

Green Energy is a great goal, but to pretend that something is what it’s not helps no one and slows innovation.

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By: operdoc http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2011/04/21/fracking-leak-hands-earth-day-gift-to-green-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-7159 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:08:03 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/columns/?p=5814#comment-7159 I think the oil, coal, and nuclear industries get a few subsidies as well. There’s two ways to go: the clean energy path or the dead end of fossil fuels. And I do mean dead.

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