Comments on: Silicon Valley’s undeserved moral exceptionalism http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/03/12/silicon-valleys-undeserved-moral-exceptionalism/ Mon, 26 Sep 2016 03:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: GMavros http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/03/12/silicon-valleys-undeserved-moral-exceptionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-8996 Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:03:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/?p=9972#comment-8996 Excellent article !!!
Here are some thoughts from a very old man now, who built his own computers before you could buy them at the stores, and was one of the very first to ‘connect’ to the web. This old man worked in the advertising/marketing business all his life. That’s the business that primarily figures out how to take your money out of your pocket, without you been aware of it. Advertisers, that’s the sellers, hire the best psychologists, besides others,to help them identify their prey, that’s you. They also hire politicians for protection. Why do they need protection ? you may ask. Well, most, not all, of these sellers are ‘honestly’ selling you things that are not ‘honest’, and also to keep away other ‘honest’ sellers from cutting into the action.

Computers are excellent tools for all productive purposes in all the fields. For other purposes, such as social networking as one example, in contrast, are not only unproductive, but they provide the perfect field for easy pickings by the above mentioned parties.

One more little thing, no one will give you something for nothing. (oh, maybe a church, or a philanthropist…no, no…they are into this also)

A great, intelligent & civilized species we have evolved.

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By: PHenry13 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/03/12/silicon-valleys-undeserved-moral-exceptionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-8994 Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:02:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/?p=9972#comment-8994 Silicon Valley is simply the slave plantation of the modern era with cheap, foreign workers filling the pockets of a few scumbag traitors. The h-1b has been exposed as a scam against American workers but nothing is done because everyone gets paid off except American tech workers. Ask anyone who’s been in IT longer than a month.

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By: JP007 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/03/12/silicon-valleys-undeserved-moral-exceptionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-8993 Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:52:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/?p=9972#comment-8993 Root Cause Analysis;
All big; companies, organizations, governments, gangs are inherently bureaucratic and criminal, breaking countless laws without need of new ones. The commonality is inertia and the lack of equal protection under the law for big and small organizations. Inertia and heft let you play by your own rules, buying laws, influence and power which is the bastardization of America and capitalism. Each and every company mentioned from Apple, at the start copying its name from the Beatles and ultimately becoming a music business that they said they wouldn’t in order to use the name and not violate the Beatles trademark (forgot that one didn’t you) to Google with its Evil pay to play engine fraudulently masquerading as search, is a pedestrian and unoriginal undertaking in words and evil deeds. Human nature, just ask Darwin and Machiavelli.
The more things change the more they stay the same. For those with techno delusions ask yourself when it will be better with computers than it was before computers? Word to the incredulous, snap out of it.

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By: trevorh http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/03/12/silicon-valleys-undeserved-moral-exceptionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-8992 Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:57:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/?p=9972#comment-8992 “Rob’s right about Silicon Valley. They’re no less greedy or psychopathic than the Wall Street guys.”

That’s right.
I am an engineer and I have to agree that Facebook/Zynga mega IPO gives certain bad image about the Tech World.

The things they offer don’t seem to have that much value to justify their IPO value. That seems to be the consensus from many people.

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By: olivermarks http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/03/12/silicon-valleys-undeserved-moral-exceptionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-8990 Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:23:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/?p=9972#comment-8990 Great piece. The internet is global and although silicon valley firms are physically located in the SF bay area, the reality is they are effectively offshore in terms of jurisdiction. The next phase of protecting the rights of ever more connected individuals will need to be worldwide, and that infrastructure is not anywhere near in place. I’m not advocating world government, just consistent oversight to protect your data and privacy rights.

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By: blogoleum http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/03/12/silicon-valleys-undeserved-moral-exceptionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-8989 Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:06:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/?p=9972#comment-8989 Collusion? What collusion?

1. It’s all middleware. Tablets and smartphones could and should be a chipset with a display screen, but the purveyors ALL ignore the thin-client model and churn out new iterations every 6 months. Why? To sell more of the same thing. Ever wonder why foreign countries have bandwidth which we do not enjoy? If we had that bandwidth it would be more obvious that a cloud-based stack and processor is the most efficient, and therefore the most likely to win the market. And yet, as if by magic, this industry does not follow basic market principles.

2. The entire internet is insecure. Why is it allowed? How did we go beyond scientific queries to online banking? How many operating systems will be released that cannot define the relationship between two nodes with absolute certainty?

It’s a crock. And with each passing day, generation, the more believeable it will become.

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By: WeWereWallSt http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/03/12/silicon-valleys-undeserved-moral-exceptionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-8988 Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:22:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/?p=9972#comment-8988 @CapitalismSays: “invaluable services … for free?” You’re just kidding, right?

Search engines, fine, but their deal doesn’t include stealing my contact list. So they don’t get it.

But the Facebook/Zynga genre are total time wastes, some of the worst examples of American entrepreneurship ever. Bill Gates gave us productivity. Young Zuckerberg? He steals our privacy and our time, the two things in life that money can’t buy.

Rob’s right about Silicon Valley. They’re no less greedy or psychopathic than the Wall Street guys, they’re just phoney about it. That kind of attitude toward money and society is a lot worse than the in-your-face kind of New Yorkers.

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By: Finite_Element http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/03/12/silicon-valleys-undeserved-moral-exceptionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-8987 Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:18:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/?p=9972#comment-8987 In reply to AdamSmith:
With all due respect I think you have it all wrong. Full disclosure: I am a foreigner in the USA, currently doing a research master’s in a prestigious American university, and I fully intend to stay in the US via the H-1B scheme.

The reason why so many foreign engineers and scientists come to the US is because the US doesnt produce enough engineers itself. In my department, about 90% of the graduate students are non-american. It’s not because an American department discriminates against American students, it’s because Americans are not interested in difficult subjects such as science and engineering, let alone at research level.

You seem to think that, if tomorrow the H-1B scheme was stopped, then all of a sudden the wages for engineering jobs would increase, many more american kids would study engineering, and america would start again producing lots of awesome engineers who earn a lot. I think this is non-sense. In my experience, the average american adolescent cares about football, mtv, big muscles and fast cars. That’s fine, and I’m not criticizing, but that doesn’t produce great analytical thinkers.

Furthermore, you may not be aware that in order to be accepted in the H-1B scheme, the company that sponsors you has to pay a fee and prove to the US Government that not a single American applicant for the job was qualified for it. If you get a H-1B visa, it’s because you are REALLY good and the company REALLY needed you.

Finally, I don’t know what sort engineering you do that you can’t even buy a home or raise kids, but I hear us petroleum engineers are not doing bad at all 😉

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By: Anonymous http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/03/12/silicon-valleys-undeserved-moral-exceptionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-8986 Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:31:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/?p=9972#comment-8986 This article raises valid points about the behavior of silicon valley companies, but I think the article is naive. A company exists to maximize its value or the returns for its shareholders and investors. Everything else is secondary. The idealistic statements, lofty goals, and image management we see from silicon valley companies (any company, really) serve to maximize value and nothing else. What do you expect the company to project? “We make money the old fashioned way: exploiting child labor, burning rain forests, and raping the environment!”

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By: benfct http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/2012/03/12/silicon-valleys-undeserved-moral-exceptionalism/comment-page-1/#comment-8985 Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:05:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/?p=9972#comment-8985 I see no merit in distinguishing the contributions of the titans of Silicon Valley from earlier titans who brought us telephones, electric power, cars, movies, air travel, and so on. Neither do I see any merit in distinguishing the extent to which they pursue their self interest. Development in human nature sharply trails the development of economies and technologies. From Adam Smith: “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”

Self-serving pablum from rich guys “doing god’s work” stirs my intellectual condescension more than anything else. It’s just rubbish from the winners.

The immigrant economist Joseph Schumpeter was an early observer that the “process of creative destruction is the essential fact about capitalism.” I see in the division of the comments above a celebration of all the useful goods and services such destruction brings, and a lamentation of the attendant social and economic dislocation. We have to answer as a society how to cushion the latter while not strangling the former. In my opinion, we’re doing a pretty poor job of that right now.

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/crea tivedestruction.asp#ixzz1ox7IxweQcreativ e destruction first observed the

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