Comments on: Nick (& Dave & Mark), the torch and Everest - Day 12 http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/ The run up to the Olympics Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:41:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Yuan http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-474 Yuan Fri, 09 May 2008 08:11:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-474 Yeah I agree with this Mr Zhang. See? Sitting here in China and talking about the Communist Party is not a problem for Chinese and we can say whatever we want. Like what he said, if you really like to save this nation, if you really wanna "save Tibet", firt come to this country to take a look. It's never too late to make a conclusion. Before using those "killing""crackdown" words, think twice. Such few words cannot describe this big country. Yeah I agree with this Mr Zhang. See? Sitting here in China and talking about the Communist Party is not a problem for Chinese and we can say whatever we want. Like what he said, if you really like to save this nation, if you really wanna “save Tibet”, firt come to this country to take a look. It’s never too late to make a conclusion. Before using those “killing”"crackdown” words, think twice. Such few words cannot describe this big country.

]]> By: zhang http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-470 zhang Thu, 08 May 2008 18:05:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-470 I am a Chinese. First of all, I do not like the communist party and I agree that the current Chinese government is never a perfect government. Actually it was horrible before 1980 and almost all Chinese, including Tibetans, suffered a lot during that period. Also there are certainly human rights violations all around China now. But this is a national issue, rather than a regional (Tibet) issue. Why there are so many sick people here, eagering to see how central government suppresses the Tibetans? Are you very happy if you see all the tibetans living a horrible life? How many Tibetans have you met, who live in Tibet? You may meet some Tibetans in exile and I can understand what they will tell you. Then is that where all your points of views come from? Chinese government lies, but the Tibetan government in exile lies much more ridiculously. Let's just talk about cultural genocide, which is claimed by Dalai. Does teach Chinese and English in middle school as second and third language considered as cultural genocide? If yes, I would say the whole world is culturally genocided. Does the seperation of religion and politics considered as cultural genocide? If yes, why not let Pope to rule the Europe now? What else? Oh, millions of Han Chinese imigrate to Tibet. Oh, over a million Tibens were killed by Han Chinese.... What makes you to believe this kind of ridiculous charges? Why not calm down and see some facts. While all the Han Chinese are only allowed to have one child, Tibetans and other minorities can have 2 or 3 children. The ratio of Han Chinese is decreasing every year. Also minorities in China can get extra points in their college entrance exam.... Actually I was just one point away from getting into the college that I wanted to go, that I had to do the test again in the next year. And I wished I could have been a Tibetan or other minorities... It has never been a national policy to suppress Tibetans or other minorities... Now China is growing and Tibet was developing very fast as other areas of China. Why not let it grow? Things are improving in China. We Chinese will solve our problems ourselves. We will reach democracy one day in the future. We don't want external forces involved in our internal affairs. So don't consider yourself as a god, who comes to save China or Tibet. If you really want to help, come to China. Don't spread hatred or racism to China. We welcome Dalai back into China just as a religous leader. But he wants way more than that. See his conditions for autonomy. Nobody in China will accept these kinds of ridiculous conditions. So if you really like Tibet. Go there and help the people there to improve their lives. I believe that Tibet will be avaible for foreigners soon. I am a Chinese. First of all, I do not like the communist party and I agree that the current Chinese government is never a perfect government. Actually it was horrible before 1980 and almost all Chinese, including Tibetans, suffered a lot during that period. Also there are certainly human rights violations all around China now. But this is a national issue, rather than a regional (Tibet) issue. Why there are so many sick people here, eagering to see how central government suppresses the Tibetans? Are you very happy if you see all the tibetans living a horrible life? How many Tibetans have you met, who live in Tibet? You may meet some Tibetans in exile and I can understand what they will tell you. Then is that where all your points of views come from?

Chinese government lies, but the Tibetan government in exile lies much more ridiculously. Let’s just talk about cultural genocide, which is claimed by Dalai. Does teach Chinese and English in middle school as second and third language considered as cultural genocide? If yes, I would say the whole world is culturally genocided. Does the seperation of religion and politics considered as cultural genocide? If yes, why not let Pope to rule the Europe now? What else? Oh, millions of Han Chinese imigrate to Tibet. Oh, over a million Tibens were killed by Han Chinese…. What makes you to believe this kind of ridiculous charges?

Why not calm down and see some facts. While all the Han Chinese are only allowed to have one child, Tibetans and other minorities can have 2 or 3 children. The ratio of Han Chinese is decreasing every year. Also minorities in China can get extra points in their college entrance exam…. Actually I was just one point away from getting into the college that I wanted to go, that I had to do the test again in the next year. And I wished I could have been a Tibetan or other minorities… It has never been a national policy to suppress Tibetans or other minorities…

Now China is growing and Tibet was developing very fast as other areas of China. Why not let it grow? Things are improving in China. We Chinese will solve our problems ourselves. We will reach democracy one day in the future. We don’t want external forces involved in our internal affairs. So don’t consider yourself as a god, who comes to save China or Tibet. If you really want to help, come to China. Don’t spread hatred or racism to China.

We welcome Dalai back into China just as a religous leader. But he wants way more than that. See his conditions for autonomy. Nobody in China will accept these kinds of ridiculous conditions.

So if you really like Tibet. Go there and help the people there to improve their lives. I believe that Tibet will be avaible for foreigners soon.

]]> By: fish http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-462 fish Thu, 08 May 2008 03:42:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-462 it seems that someone here really want to hear the anti-china vioce,like bloody crackdown,the anger of locals,if there isn't any,they seems to consider the journalist is not a good guy! it seems that someone here really want to hear the anti-china vioce,like bloody crackdown,the anger of locals,if there isn’t any,they seems to consider the journalist is not a good guy!

]]> By: John Wright http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-456 John Wright Wed, 07 May 2008 12:19:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-456 Finally the locals have woken up that Nick, Dave & Mark are the peak of ignorance. Ever since they built the new road its been hard to keep the low life out. Its very generous for posters to offer talking points for our oxygen-challenged comrades, such as how to make the mountain a glorious symbol of ethnic and gender unity. Finally the locals have woken up that Nick, Dave & Mark are the peak of ignorance. Ever since they built the new road its been hard to keep the low life out. Its very generous for posters to offer talking points for our oxygen-challenged comrades, such as how to make the mountain a glorious symbol of ethnic and gender unity.

]]> By: Glenn http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-454 Glenn Wed, 07 May 2008 11:56:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-454 I find it terribly ironic that a handful of journalists are allowed to enter Tibet to cover a massive Chinese propaganda event - The Torch Climbs Everest! - but not a single journalist, diplomat or tourist has the right to wander a Lhasa street, interview Tibetans, visit monasteries, etc., in short bring the world the truth about the ongoing Chinese occupation of Tibet and the current crackdown. What is the point of being a journalist if you aren't looking for the real story? Best of luck to you. I find it terribly ironic that a handful of journalists are allowed to enter Tibet to cover a massive Chinese propaganda event - The Torch Climbs Everest! - but not a single journalist, diplomat or tourist has the right to wander a Lhasa street, interview Tibetans, visit monasteries, etc., in short bring the world the truth about the ongoing Chinese occupation of Tibet and the current crackdown. What is the point of being a journalist if you aren’t looking for the real story? Best of luck to you.

]]> By: Yuan http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-453 Yuan Wed, 07 May 2008 09:12:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-453 It is common to emphasize ethnic origins in China, especially in Autonomous Regions. This is kind of a respect to the minorities, it's printed on the ID card with the whole of one's life. I think the foreign journalists should cherish this opportunity to learn some cultural things in China. What you've written was definitely humourous, but that shows how much you don't understand China. Some jokes are lack of basic knowledges. Try spend some time talking to the climbers or locals, that helps a lot. It is common to emphasize ethnic origins in China, especially in Autonomous Regions. This is kind of a respect to the minorities, it’s printed on the ID card with the whole of one’s life.

I think the foreign journalists should cherish this opportunity to learn some cultural things in China. What you’ve written was definitely humourous, but that shows how much you don’t understand China. Some jokes are lack of basic knowledges. Try spend some time talking to the climbers or locals, that helps a lot.

]]> By: Chos nyid http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-451 Chos nyid Wed, 07 May 2008 01:31:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-451 Thank you for the regular postings. Your comments about the mention of ethnic origins of the climbers as "interesting" seem to indicate that you are not that familiar with China and Tibet. Today's Chinese are obsessed by classification in "nationalities" (i.e. ethnic groups). It is written on your ID, it follows you all your life, it is a key identity marker. Plus they are proud to show that they have included barbarian Tibetans in the team. Why don't you tell us about the 4 qualifications required for climbers (the first and foremost one being a love for unity - of the nation of course) ? It is on English-language websites. Please try and talk to locals. Are there any anyway ? Try and ask disturbing questions about Tibet to your Chinese colleagues, about the DL, about the PL, about history. You are journalist, not a servant to the Chinese govt. Do not let us believe that you are only out there as a nice exotic touch or as a voucher for this silly Everest torch. Thanks. Thank you for the regular postings. Your comments about the mention of ethnic origins of the climbers as “interesting” seem to indicate that you are not that familiar with China and Tibet. Today’s Chinese are obsessed by classification in “nationalities” (i.e. ethnic groups). It is written on your ID, it follows you all your life, it is a key identity marker. Plus they are proud to show that they have included barbarian Tibetans in the team. Why don’t you tell us about the 4 qualifications required for climbers (the first and foremost one being a love for unity - of the nation of course) ? It is on English-language websites.
Please try and talk to locals. Are there any anyway ?
Try and ask disturbing questions about Tibet to your Chinese colleagues, about the DL, about the PL, about history. You are journalist, not a servant to the Chinese govt. Do not let us believe that you are only out there as a nice exotic touch or as a voucher for this silly Everest torch.
Thanks.

]]> By: Nicole Areson http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-449 Nicole Areson Tue, 06 May 2008 18:11:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-449 Nick, Dave $Mark, I enjoy your sense of humor and your pictures. I climbed to ABC last April and, of course camped one night at Rongbuk monastery. If that huge Tibetan mastiff is still at the monastery (last year he (she?) sported a fushia ruban around his neck) say hi for me. Drink plenty of water! Thanks for your dispatches. Nicole Nick, Dave $Mark,
I enjoy your sense of humor and your pictures. I climbed to ABC last April and, of course camped one night at Rongbuk monastery. If that huge Tibetan mastiff is still at the monastery (last year he (she?) sported a fushia ruban around his neck) say hi for me.
Drink plenty of water!
Thanks for your dispatches.
Nicole

]]> By: Beijing Olympic Games 2008 » Everest torch relay journalists and officials getting ready to quit http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-448 Beijing Olympic Games 2008 » Everest torch relay journalists and officials getting ready to quit Tue, 06 May 2008 13:36:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-448 [...] Reuters have travelled to base camp at Mount Everest to cover the Olympic torch relay. On their blog they have captured some great pictures of the mountain. The mountaineering team has been facing bad [...] […] Reuters have travelled to base camp at Mount Everest to cover the Olympic torch relay. On their blog they have captured some great pictures of the mountain. The mountaineering team has been facing bad […]

]]> By: Sonam Dugdak http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-447 Sonam Dugdak Tue, 06 May 2008 12:36:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/china/2008/05/06/nick-dave-mark-the-torch-and-everest-day-12/#comment-447 Nick, Dave & Mark, I sympathise with the altitude sickness and cold weather, but it seems you guys give very little thought about the locals (Tibetans). If you have time maybe you will like to wonder why the area is so poor, why the people there are so different and haven't joined the 21st century. You may also realise that the locals do not want the Chinese Communist Government in Tibet or thier soldiers climbing the Mount Everest. That the locals have far greater concerns with Chinese Communist government trampling all over them, to get to the top of Mount Everest in a egotistal triumpalism show. But hey, it is an great opportunity for you to report this ego trip too, so all else is immaterial. Nick, Dave & Mark, I sympathise with the altitude sickness and cold weather, but it seems you guys give very little thought about the locals (Tibetans). If you have time maybe you will like to wonder why the area is so poor, why the people there are so different and haven’t joined the 21st century.

You may also realise that the locals do not want the Chinese Communist Government in Tibet or thier soldiers climbing the Mount Everest. That the locals have far greater concerns with Chinese Communist government trampling all over them, to get to the top of Mount Everest in a egotistal triumpalism show. But hey, it is an great opportunity for you to report this ego trip too, so all else is immaterial.

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