Comments on: Lessons from Beijing http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2010/10/27/lessons-from-beijing/ Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:34:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Reliability http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2010/10/27/lessons-from-beijing/#comment-344 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:03:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=394#comment-344 The quality of Reuters reporting such as this is probably unique.

One wonders if such knowledge would be as readily available in China?

Similarly the work ethic and the achievement of the people of America are incredible. Happy Days was not just a nice sitcom. It was a reflection of real achievement.

China has grown on the achievements of America, its people imitate America and want to move to the USA.

The world is without a doubt a better place because of the good aspects of the American dream and hopefully you will, as this article reflects, continue your adaptation and management of that adaptation – To match the good side of your high standards.

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By: CommonSensLogic http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2010/10/27/lessons-from-beijing/#comment-332 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:32:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=394#comment-332 Butch_from_PA:
Without the low interest loans from China,
our economy would have collapsed.
Not a recession, not even a depression, but a total collapse.
And you said we did not need it. China was like out bank, who loaned us cash to avoid a catastrophe.

The point of this article is: what lessons can we learn?

The lesson is not about which system has the bragging rights–capitalist, socialist, or pseudo-communist society like China.
Rather, any culture which is willing to work hard, does no over-spend, and put their children and grandchildren’s future at a higher priority their own– such a culture does not require JFK to encourage them to ask what they can do for their society. Many Americans scorned them for working too hard, for focussing too much on their families and not on current happiness(namely, Derek and Sissela Bok’s assertion on happiness), but may not be as wise as they believe themselves to be. Even Harvard President was not that smart or correct.

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By: Janeallen http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2010/10/27/lessons-from-beijing/#comment-331 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:19:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=394#comment-331 NYET: You got the facts upside down.

WTO ruled Against the United States in our attempt to restrict poultry import from China.

The direction of Congress violates the WTO rules, at least on this count.

Don’t keep talking trash like this. You’ll make us a laughing stock. You make me embarrassed as an American.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/2 9/business/main6911749.shtml

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By: jbernar http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2010/10/27/lessons-from-beijing/#comment-330 Thu, 28 Oct 2010 23:19:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=394#comment-330 “Now when you have a $400 income and you’re saving at 35%, that means you’re consuming 66% of $400. That is a huge commitment to the future as opposed to the present, right?”

How on earth can any economist believe that Chinese earning $400 per year “save” 35% (on average?) and that this represents a “huge commitment to the future”? If savings is calculated as the residual of income minus expenditure, then it includes debt repayment as well as money socked away for retirement. These farmers are more likely loaded with debt.

Happy thought: if they continue to pay off their debts for the rest of their lives, they are demonstrating commendable foresight! But they really should be encouraged to consume! Maybe a little more debt . . . .

The refusal to factor in inequalities in the distribution of income AND wealth — including the negative wealth of heavy debt that impacts income as “savings” when debt is repaid — is virtually the defining characteristic of modern macro-economic theorists. They know inequality exists (Saez) but they refuse to let it intrude on pristine models that would compromise the formal elegance of classical theory.

High rates of savings are characteristic of all highly unequal societies; the lower strata have negative wealth and are paying off debt; the higher strata have too much money to consume as “efficient” demand. They “invest” it or put it in the bank. When they are scared off investing (or inflating asset values?) they leave it in the bank. The result is underconsumption — and high “savings.”

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By: Butch_from_PA http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2010/10/27/lessons-from-beijing/#comment-325 Thu, 28 Oct 2010 04:38:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=394#comment-325 Tell me why we need China?

For raw materials? for fuel? for new technology and innovation? for fish? for what?

Only for multi-nationals sake.

My God – we have lost control of our country.

We have all the brains and brawn to be such a strong nation – self production most of what we need.

Instead we are brainwashed to believe the economists that are taking us down the rat-hole of 3 world fiance.

All for the multi-nationals who want the whole world to be 3rd world – so the kings and queens can rule us with ease. What the F happened to our founding father’s vision. It sure was not for Wal-Marts and greedy wall street scum – or cheap lead tops coming from China.

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By: nyet http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2010/10/27/lessons-from-beijing/#comment-324 Thu, 28 Oct 2010 00:44:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=394#comment-324 I love it that globalization is now being sold to us under different premises. China was allowed into the WTO because it was going to grow up and become like us. Oops. Now we are supposed to ‘grow down’ and become like them. Should we scrap democracy too? As someone working for a living, I would like more information from economists as to how exactly I should submit my future and my children’s welfare to their Brave New World.

Also, in the interest of full disclosure, I would like to know how much Mr Spence has made as an advisor for Chinese business or its govt. How many all expenses paid junkets has he taken to China?

I think the degree to which the advocates of China get money from that advocacy should be part of the public record. Or, oops – have we lost that right too, in our quest to be ‘more like the Chinese’?

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