Comments on: Will there be a bin Laden peace dividend? http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/05/06/will-there-be-a-bin-laden-peace-dividend/ Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:34:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Ralphooo http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/05/06/will-there-be-a-bin-laden-peace-dividend/#comment-1399 Tue, 31 May 2011 21:01:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1010#comment-1399 I had to smile at the idea of a bin Laden peace dividend. We first dreamed about one of those around 1990, soon after the dissolution of our old enemy, the Soviet Union. Naturally there never was a dividend. New excuses to feed the armaments manufacturers must always be created. I can’t see why that situation would be any different now.

Instead of gradually ramping down centuries of useless wars, we are hyperactively looking around to find new places to fight. Exactly why this should be so I do not know. It is possible that war has become instinctive for humans.

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By: Ismailtaimur http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/05/06/will-there-be-a-bin-laden-peace-dividend/#comment-1300 Tue, 10 May 2011 06:23:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1010#comment-1300 The truth of the matter is Osmama bin laden was less significant then he has been potrayed .Thw west needs to create an enemy to rule the world. I wont be surprised it creates another Frankenstein.

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By: upstater http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/05/06/will-there-be-a-bin-laden-peace-dividend/#comment-1298 Mon, 09 May 2011 23:43:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1010#comment-1298 Very wishful thinking… there will be no GWOT peace dividend. Obama & company are GWOT warrior-enthusiasts and will not abandon their crusade. Indeed, Obama has taken the use of drones to a new level. I would not be surprised to see the Obama neo-neo-cons decide to “do something” about Pakistan. If Iraq is good for decade or war, Pakistan must be good for a generation worth of war.

Consider the nonsense today of Chuck Schumer wanting to have airport-style security for passenger rail in the US. Can you imagine anything so stupid?

We have a $1 trillion annual expenditure on the national security state and there can be little doubt that it will continue at these gargantuan levels until the day when the US collapses like all other empires before it.

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By: paintcan http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/05/06/will-there-be-a-bin-laden-peace-dividend/#comment-1297 Mon, 09 May 2011 20:51:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1010#comment-1297 The celebrations over the very cagey death of Bin Laden are a little premature. I felt good for a few hours and than started to remember a few things. It’s an ambiguous triumph that is only a triumph if one thinks the death of a very elusive character, with a vaguely defined role as commander of his forces, actually proves to stop anything. He was “Emmanuel Goldberg” txgadfly refers to.

Bin Laden was called an “evil mastermind” “a fanatic bent on destroying the infidel”, “the democratic governments”, the “dictatorial regimes”, “western influence in the ME” “capitalism” and almost anything else anyone cared to project onto him.

But his death didn’t change any of the core reasons he existed at all, did it? The Israeli’s are recalcitrant and really haven’t wanted to respond to any peace initiatives. And 50 years of UN resolutions are meaningless to them. And so was the World Court decision regarding their new “ghetto” wall that conveniently gobbles up a little more territory across borders that are so amazingly flexible when they want them changed to suit themselves. And now that Fatah and Hamas are actually talking together and trying to create a state that deals with their own difficulties, that has become yet another reason for the Israeli’s not to engage them. Face it – the fate of about 500,000 illegal settlers and billions of shekels of real estate development hangs on not dealing with the issue and on diverting attention from it.

The uprisings in the ME have yet to show what they will produce. How much organizational leadership does it really take to plant bombs anyway? They are cheap, easy and anyone can do it. Civil wars make populations loose blood and treasure and anyone engaged in them from outside does likewise.

Iran may or may not be producing nuclear weapons but that show is on hold for now. I haven’t read much about them in months. Not in Reuters anyway. It’s a ripe joke that the veto power on the SC is held by the big boys who built their arsenals when it was the politically fashionable thing to do and keep them still. Hypocrites can and only resort to bullying because they cannot lead by example.

What is a position that will create long-term economic success? What country, or even empire, has ever enjoyed long term economic success? That term is almost as ambiguous as the term “war on terror”. I’m not sure what “money” means any more either.

I’m still trying to figure out what “closure” means. Maybe you only get it if you have a short concentration span and an equally short memory?

And don’t forget to read Brave New World. A lot of my best friends are on some kind of Soma. I use a variant of it but nothing beats a long nap.

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By: txgadfly http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/05/06/will-there-be-a-bin-laden-peace-dividend/#comment-1296 Mon, 09 May 2011 17:18:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1010#comment-1296 Whatever demon needs to be created, to justify the non-stop, unlimited commitment to Israel, will be created. It clearly does not matter what you call the demon, he/she must be unleashed to justify what is done to the American people.

Everyone who is skeptical ought to reread Orwell’s 1984.

War without end.

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By: Fishrl http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/05/06/will-there-be-a-bin-laden-peace-dividend/#comment-1295 Mon, 09 May 2011 13:54:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1010#comment-1295 OBL’s demise has less to do with making the world safer than the popular uprisings currently taking place in the Middle East. If oligarchy does not give way to anarchy as these autocratic regimes are overthrown, figures like OBL will lose their popularity. Our policy in the region should focus on nurturing democracy without engaging in neocon nation building.

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