Comments on: The West is getting old http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/07/28/the-west-is-getting-old/ Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:34:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: ericanthonyg http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/07/28/the-west-is-getting-old/#comment-1781 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:51:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1227#comment-1781 @ Foxdrake: great post. I worry that we hop on our computers and spew our opinions before we get a chance to actually expand upon any talking points. This website is soooo much better than most. By taking the time to line out each idea and its corresponding percentage concerning tax, I think we all get a chance to visualize what those numbers really could do for our country.
I love that you have pot and prostitution right up there at the top (couldn’t agree more). For instance, here in Tx, simple mj possession arrests account for a full HALF of all arrests in almost any given year in the past decade. Think of the positive implications of not only freeing up the judicial & law enforcement systems, but the money being SAVED by stemming prosecution, and then MADE by regulatory means. The drug war, like afghanistan, is NOT winnable…
I can’t say that I agree with every number posted (esp that of the military… 75% of the budget maybe but let that come out of R&D and keep personnel) but if we get in the habit NOW of putting these numbers in place, I think it really gives perspective and cohesiveness to these and other GREAT ideas that Americans are beginning to come around to more and more. Thank you for your post.

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By: venusianlover http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/07/28/the-west-is-getting-old/#comment-1772 Sun, 07 Aug 2011 14:48:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1227#comment-1772 I say we focus on a project that involves people, lot’s and lot’s of people, to create colonies outside of the earth or on the earth’s oceans. What about living on the moon or in space? If our earth is filled to capacity on the crust, we can migrate to other areas. It just takes a matter of getting used to. With all of the garbage we have littered on this earth we are bound to use it for something, right? Might as well recycle it. Everything changes and life is risky no matter what. Those who can survive it can do just about anything. Oh, and by the way, the West is not old… It is young. The West has an advantage because it can change! It doesn’t have to be set in it’s ways. (The US Constitution can change) We may be afraid, but we don’t have give into fear! With our children comes a promise of light for the future! I will sacrifice to the death for my children. Oh, and yes I pray every day for them. Faith is absolutely necessary for one to have a strong spirit. If you ask me, I say let’s ask our youth and see what they would do.

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By: clokey http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/07/28/the-west-is-getting-old/#comment-1765 Sun, 07 Aug 2011 05:10:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1227#comment-1765 To bring to balance the generational dysfunction in which we are living we don’t need to have more children; that would just make matters worse. We need to have less elderly living a low quality of life. We do not have enough resources to accommodate, feed, and educate more people in this planet at our current rate of population growth and environmental degradation. We need to stop fearing death, and life for that matter, by spending more quality time with our elderly. If we give our elderly the love and attention that they deserve they will not be seeking to extend their lives hoping to some day live a fulfilling life with their loved ones that never came. Let’s give love to our elderly relatives so that they can more easily accept death when it comes, without trying to extend life through costly medical interventions that may extend their time in this world, but at a substantially degraded quality of life. Let’s live the moment we have right now with no fears- that is quality of life. Let’s stop the unnecessary medical interventions that postpone people’s departure from this world, but lower the quality of life of the people subjecting their bodies to it, and the lives of the future generation from which we are stealing the resources needed to grow, educate themselves, and thrive in the world of tomorrow.

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By: Andvari http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/07/28/the-west-is-getting-old/#comment-1721 Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:21:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1227#comment-1721 j2soco: the wisdom of the Church.

That’s the same church that denied that priests were abusing boys and girls for decades…

that denied the earth revolved around the sun…

that still denies evolution…

that didn’t speak out against Hitler and Mussolini’s slaughter of the gypsies, jews, slavs, etc….

In your lifetime j2soco, the population of the U.S. has doubled. In less than 50 years it will double again. Faith won’t stop that from happening. You, Palin and Bachmann are all part of the problem: where faith is allowed to trump reason.

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By: pennymatters http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/07/28/the-west-is-getting-old/#comment-1705 Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:52:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1227#comment-1705 Spot on article…..it is that simple in essence, im no einstein but demography should be a new school subject in isolation………

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By: aligatorhardt http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/07/28/the-west-is-getting-old/#comment-1704 Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:16:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1227#comment-1704 Yes the baby boom of post WW2 has arrived at retirement. This demographic has been known for 60 years. The system is designed for it. The entitlements are called that because they are paid with the mandatory deductions from a life time of paychecks. Simply raising the cap on contributions would solve the shortage. Simply replacing the moneys removed from SS funds for other purposes would solve the shortage. Most economists say that there is not a shortage at this time. This is a ploy for some to steal additional funds from Social Security to misuse them again. Claiming that health care costs are too high while allowing the public no way to negotiate prices, or in any way limit obscene price gouging by the medical industry, is bull____. Forcing citizens to subsidize the millionaire salaries of insurance companies is unjust. Wasting billions on needless and unproductive military occupations of foreign countries, does little for our citizens, and wastes far more money than SS and Medicare. Maintaining nearly 1000 bases in countries around the world is a huge waste of money. The needs of our citizens are the only legitimate use of the tax dollars. All the graft, embezzlement and fraud is where the cuts are deserved. Republicans continue to vote against closing tax loopholes. Republicans oppose prosecution of Medicare fraud, calling it a cut to Medicare. The author can repeat the same old refrain, but it sounds no better this time.

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By: savanero http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/07/28/the-west-is-getting-old/#comment-1703 Mon, 01 Aug 2011 11:11:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1227#comment-1703 As a new fan Ms Freeland, I’m glad to see this perspective and its affect on the economic issues we face. I agree with those whose comments identify outsourcing, inefficient wealth distribution, and serious tax reforms as major areas that need to be dealt with if we are to begin solving this problem. But I’d like to add that the U.S. as well as the world is struggling with the convergence of technology, international competition, economic power shifts, inflation and demographics. These factors are creating a lot of confusion and uncertainty in governments, economies and the electorate. Perhaps we should heed Lady Mcbeth as she feared the end looming:
“Nought’s had, all’s spent
Where our desire is got without content.
‘Tis safer to be that which we destroy
Than, by destruction, dwell in doubtful joy.”

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By: ooovarvoo http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/07/28/the-west-is-getting-old/#comment-1702 Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:25:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1227#comment-1702 Isn’t it obvious we actually need less people in the world longer term? Humans are mechanising the work the people used to do with computers, robots etc, ok I accept that ‘we’ also create a lot of job positions in bureaucratic red tape areas which as soon as a recession comes around are cut as companies, governments etc realise these ‘jobs’ were not needed in the first place.

We can only just produce enough food for the world’s population as it is now by over farming the land using man made chemicals to produce enough food for the masses to eat. Most of the land in the Westernised world is basically a depleted mess that would take many years to get back in balance naturally. In the meantime ‘we’ eat chemicals!

Water. A big problem! ‘we’ are moving water all around the world, in fact ‘we’ are even flying it! (Every time you eat a pack of imported veg you are importing water usually from a country that has little water for its own people). Once again the population as it is now has problems with the lack of water. If the population didn’t grow any more from now, the developing countries still want and will get the lifestyles we in the west are used to (running water in our homes, vast hotels, restaurants, plentiful supplies and wastage of fresh food produce etc). All of these need vast amounts of water.

Throughout history there has always been rich and poor. Today there is rich and poor. The question though today is who the rich are and who are the poor. Many in the West consider themselves as part of the ‘rich’, if they have debts of any degree even an unpaid credit card are they ‘richer’ than a peasant farmer who has no debts, no ‘flat screen TV’ lifestyle living in the depths of say Mongolia. I believe the ‘peasant farmer’ is richer. This all comes to the discussion of immigration where so called poor countries people want and should be allowed to work in other countries where a temporary labour force is required. I write temporary as the work should be offered to a person on a temporary contract, no family allowed just the worker, and no permanent residency etc, just a good wage that he or she can take home to help develop their own country with. At present the Westernised world is quite happy to have ‘hidden slavery’ where so called poorer countries have produced our ‘flat screen TV’ lifestyles to their advantage financially but adding to the problem of the debt mountain in the West through ‘our’ greed of cheap products. Maybe if we had have ‘used’ these people more sensibly and not been so lazy ourselves we in the West would not be faced with half the situation we have now.

I don’t think any politician in the world would dare to say it but we need less people not more! Obviously hypothetically if this was implemented we would have an even bigger deficit for a few generations but long term it’s the only sustainable solution unless we discover new habitable planets!

I noticed in a previous comment someone had noted the fact that the affluent and or what was once called middle class are having less babies. This is very true and the ‘underclass’ non working people are breeding at an alarming rate. How can this sustain?

The next decade will be very interesting.

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By: aligatorhardt http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/07/28/the-west-is-getting-old/#comment-1701 Mon, 01 Aug 2011 06:27:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1227#comment-1701 This article is more propaganda which depends on assertions given with an air of authority rather than fact. The Social Security costs are 12% of the US budget. One eighth of the problem. Tax cheats, runaway military expenditures, corporate welfare, embezzlement, pork projects, no bid contracts, price gouging by the medical industry, worthless parasitic action by insurance companies, waste and corruption, are some of the many huge drains on the economy that need to be addressed. The taxpayers provide the budget for government, and the needs of the taxpayers are the only legitimate use of those funds.

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By: paul182boston http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/07/28/the-west-is-getting-old/#comment-1700 Mon, 01 Aug 2011 04:45:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1227#comment-1700 Freetrade is a synonym for “selling out” the USA, for those of you whom complained that paying 5 times as much for products made in the US, …the reasoning for that was things like: quality control, safe working conditions, pension plans , and most of all, a superior product, not the crap we buy from China thats worth less than a dollar. Quality is a standard you have to pay for, that has now been sacrificed for corporate profits in the name of capitalism. If you want to help the US, STOP BUYING IMPORTS and you will see how fast job growth will turn around here.

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