Comments on: Corruption and India’s 1 percent http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/11/18/corruption-and-indias-1-percent/ Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:34:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Wyyll http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/11/18/corruption-and-indias-1-percent/#comment-2306 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:27:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1396#comment-2306 Is the corruption and greed in India really any different from that of the US, Russia, Western Europe, or anywhere else? I think, the answer is both yes and no.
In places where the rule of Law is strong, I think a collective sense of right and wrong pervades, and graft and corruption are quickly rooted out and dealt with. In places where the rule of Law is not so strong, graft and corruption can run rampant, simply because there are no consequences for doing it. If there are no laws against graft, or those laws are not uniformly enforced, then why shouldn’t everyone do it if they can get away with it. Thus I see differences between India and the US.

Next, people generally want to improve their lives. Who can fault them? Individually, and independent of what country one lives in, I think people tend to look at others they perceive as “successful” and emulate them. Many use “wealth” as a measure of success, regardless of whether this is a good metric or not. Who, then, can fault someone for trying to get as much money as they can? I cannot. However, I can fault someone for making as much money as they can illegally. Fortunately for me, corruption is much less tolerated in the US than India, apparently. Chyrstia labels this “cognitive capture” and that makes a lot of sense to me.
Next, I think changes in society only really come about when there is a crisis. I offer politicians continuing to “kick the can down the road” as my example. You can pick the politician. I think India will change with regard to corruption and graft only when there is a crisis requiring change. Who knows, maybe a Roosevelt will rise up in response to that crisis. However, it is the crisis, and not the person that heralds change.
And finally, we all hope that change enables India’s growth in wealth to be distributed more uniformly accross the population. Heck, I want that for America too.

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By: Jonesy http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/11/18/corruption-and-indias-1-percent/#comment-2305 Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:02:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1396#comment-2305 I’m reading the article and as I neared the end I began thinking of the income inequality and all that relates to that. I was thinking of the ignorant comments heading Hazare’s way about being a socilaist; then I saw the Roosevelt comments confirming my fears. I agree; world globilization needs more Roosevelts or at the very least people who care for their fellow man.

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By: Arihanth http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/11/18/corruption-and-indias-1-percent/#comment-2303 Tue, 29 Nov 2011 03:55:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1396#comment-2303 @Prashanter

Tought processes? Dude i am working on my PhD and i do come across some really cool ideas. I can differentiate when one has really original ideas and when one is simply biased and subjective!

The solutions you propose are quite simplistic! Things are not so simple!

Tell me which of the advanced democracies are not corrupt ??

Take the example of United States! The Iraq War based on fabricated evidences of WMD, D.C. handling of the financial crisis and the debt situation etc. Do you think what they are doing is quite awesome????
I live in America and assume you are an NRI. Things are not hunky-dory here! :)

Think objectively! There is corruption every where! Power corrupts. At least we Indians are HONEST about it and are openly taking and trying to fight it! Look at the brighter side.There are lot of reasons why people take and pay bribes. Anna Hazare went on a fast unto death for India. All you are doing is senselessly bashing India in a public form as if you are some top intellectual! :)

The grass is always greener the other side! India is a strong democracy. period. It has dealt with challenges effectively. Stop getting emotional and think realistically!

When India and Pakistan were formed, many so called world powers predicted that Pakistan would be a more stable country while India would collapse becuase of its vast diversity.60 yrs later, you see the difference! Still India has been united in diversity despite challenges. It speaks of the resilience of this 5000 yr old ancient civilization. Just beacuse we have flaws, doesn’t mean you loose sight of the big picture! :)

Coming to the idea of “Bhakti” or devotion. Please read more about Indian philosophy. Nobel laureate, T.S. Eliot said “Their (Indian philosophers’) subtleties make most of the great European philosophers look like schoolboys”. I suggest you to read more before you jump to conclusions about your interpretation of offereings to deities with your new found “education”.

Stuff happened. 1000 yrs of foreign rule weakened India. That does not mean you go bashing India senselessly in public places. It will take time for things to get better. Have the patience! When India got independance the poverty rate was 85% while now it is around 35% after 60 yrs. Like wise literacy rates have improved quite well. Things take time and effort. The problem is people like you, who have no patience and while you do nothing for the betterment of india, you go about barking nonsense about India !

None of the westtern press does anything for India’s progress. All the western press does is report about our problems with a condescending attitude! Look at the the reuters article about FDI in Indian’s retail sector. It suggests as if foreign companies are doing India a great favour by setting shop in India! :)

The East, in general is rapidly progressing by adopting the pillars of western wisdom (democracy, education etc) coupled with it’s ancient wisdom. So have patience my dear friend! Stay composed and treat your country with respect. That is the least we “arm-chair critics” can do, when “real men” like Anna Hazare and team are fighting the system to bring about a positive change.

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By: prashanter http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/11/18/corruption-and-indias-1-percent/#comment-2300 Fri, 25 Nov 2011 06:56:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1396#comment-2300 @Arihant
Suggest you to re read my comments as there are a lot of thought process which has gone into it.
The solution is very simple; Indians get UNITED which as you would know is difficult because of our inherent differences. Secondly, we should change the system of elections. Coalition govt shouldn’t be allowed, there should only be a max of three parties and if a single party doesn’t get the majority, the country should go under President’s rule.
We are the strongest democracies in the world??? It’s only on paper; we have a very long way to go. I am surprised educated people don’t realize this! We are ruled by utmost corrupt people so much so that if you bribe them enough they wouldn’t even mind selling our country to Pakistan /China.
Coming to bribery, have you not seen your fellow brethren offering gold, silver, diamonds, money etc to Deities expecting something in return? If not open your eyes; look around, read the newspapers, introspect yourself, you too might have done this. Bribing the Gods in the garb of offerings is built into our culture! I am not criticising Indian culture but was trying to explain the root cause of bribery here and how it has spilled over. Indian values are the best and if there is any mechanism to check EQ /SQ of Indians I am sure it would be the highest in the world. Now again one would argue on what basis am I making such blatant statements?
Let me explain; before that can you answer why is it that our country is so densely overpopulated? Why is it that most of the sages came from India? Why do we have all kinds of people with different races, religion, color etc? Think, do you have an answer? Geographically, the climate in India is not very harsh as it is in the west, it has many rivers, and the original inhabitants here were humane and not warlike as they were self sufficient. All this has contributed to people migrating from elsewhere in search for better pastures to settle down in India and making it their home. Today the scenario is much different and there is no point in basking in old glory. Uniting a huge motley disorganized, uneducated population is not by any means an easy task and to divide and rule is what our politicians / rulers have done best to their advantage. Lastly,the west can learn a lot from Indian values and we can from their systems and processes.

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By: Arihanth http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/11/18/corruption-and-indias-1-percent/#comment-2299 Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:05:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1396#comment-2299 So what’s the solution ?????????????????
“Cognitive Capture”, a fancy term for what is otherwise known long before!

@prashanter : Your views are your own. Don’t use ‘we’ to suggest that they are the opinions of all Indians. Bribery is built into Indian culture for centuries? What references do you have for that ???????
You are misinterpreting Indian religious practice of offerings to deities as corruption.Seriously! Coming to Fate and Karma. Please read more about Indian philosophy before your jump to conclusions with your limited knowledge.
India might be divided on many lines, yet, IMHO Indians try their best to be united in diversity and strive for a better future. It is one of the strongest democracies in the region.period.

For all i know, “greed and corruption, is randomly distributed around the world”.
In fact, i would argue the contrary. It is because Indian people are forgetting ancient Indian values, and instead espousing materialistic values , we have this rampant mess of corruption. People have become way too ambitious.

Some sections of western media try their best to demoralize India and other developing economies by blowing things out of proportion. There are many good things about India and how many times has Chrystia Freeland reported about them ? ZERO.

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By: prashanter http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/11/18/corruption-and-indias-1-percent/#comment-2297 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:58:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1396#comment-2297 Whatever you have mentioned is sadly true. In our country there is no true democracy as a the majority of people are divided by race, caste, languages etc and in that to a good number of them though educated either aren’t aware of the real issues of the country or cannot do anything as they are not united. The elected politicians are well aware of this perennial weakness and have therefore been able to exploit the masses thoroughly over the years.
Bribery is built into Indian culture thru centuries. We Indians have been offering the Gods lots of money and donate generously towards temple deeds anticipating multiples in return. Charity directed towards the poor is secondary or almost non- existent. We believe a lot in fate and in karma and therefore we are extremely tolerant and accept any nonsense without fighting back. Historically as the climate here has been temperate and not very harsh, one could easily survive practically only on fresh air and sunshine and this has contributed to the country’s huge population. People are therefore laid back but peace loving and this could be traced to the geographical / environmental factors as mentioned.
It is for the first time perhaps that country has come together by supporting Anna Hazare to voice their underlying common concern against corruption but sadly that too seems to be fizzling out.

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By: Crosswords http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/11/18/corruption-and-indias-1-percent/#comment-2296 Wed, 23 Nov 2011 02:59:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1396#comment-2296 All the well written articles about corruption in India ignores one simple fact: that the greatest density of corruption per sq.metre is found in a circular designed colonnaded edifice in New Delhi.
And you expect such ‘honourable’ elected inhabitants of this edifice to pass anti-graft bills into law.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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By: proxy.64 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/11/18/corruption-and-indias-1-percent/#comment-2294 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:32:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1396#comment-2294 To ‘ maven71 ‘ sorry, if you have taken something personally about Bangladesh migrants. My meaning was a reply to the comment from B.N. Kalyani “It saddened me a lot to see that even Bangladesh has a better social index,…”

1> India is facing a great problem with Population, and certainly a huge flux of population addition from Anywhere is a Big NO NO..for the country, It becomes infinitely impossible for the law-makers and administration to control the country.

2> Bangladesh however is in Win-Win situation as a feedback of lowered population load, which is sent back to India or elsewhere. A certain improvement of social index, administration and control is guaranteed for that country (here Bangladesh).

V.Imp > Corruption and Chaos in country is a direct feedback of lost control of the Administration over the country, citizens here are in a Race-Condition to survive and establish, so there comes the ‘Demand And Supply’ for Illegal Money taking, corruption, and prioritizing and what so ever comes after that.

I think more rational it cannot be.
If it can be then please share with us.

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By: algernon3 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/11/18/corruption-and-indias-1-percent/#comment-2292 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:50:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1396#comment-2292 Capital is a powerful force for growing the wealth of nations (but not necessarily the wealth and well being of the working class that is indispensable to the production of that wealth). Fortunately, hidden in the nature of Capital itself, are the seeds for the redistribution of wealth.

It is the nature of Capital to become more concentrated and centralized over time, greater wealth in the hands of fewer people; simultaneously, Capital creates the giant working class that it requires to fuel the enormous productive power that it has set in motion. One day the ‘Rich’ wake up to discover that they are vastly outnumbered by an angry mob of the oppressed working class that the Rich themselves have created and exploited. That is when serious social negotiation begins and, eventually, the People ensure that wealth is fairly distributed.

The Indian People have a saving grace – the ability to ban together quickly and in great numbers to cure social ills. The widening gap between the rich and the poor in India will not stand.

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By: maven71 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/2011/11/18/corruption-and-indias-1-percent/#comment-2288 Sat, 19 Nov 2011 05:53:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/chrystia-freeland/?p=1396#comment-2288 In reply of comment done by proxy.64 which is unsubstantiated with the topic here. I believe the origin of proxy.64 is also from Kolkata. Yes there are some illegal migration happened from Bangladesh to India, which is still happening since the division of 1947. But they are mostly oppressed Hindu minority of Bangladesh.
A significant number of people of Kolkata who now claim themselves native Indian, either they or their ancestors migrated(legally or illegally) from Bangladesh. But that is not the real issue here. If you watch to all the interviews taken by the author, here the 1% corrupted people are not from migrant from Bangladesh. They are in your language “native Indians”. Also throughout your comments I find nagging complain about Bangladesh and British. Better grow-up, talk to the point and try to fix your corruption rather than playing this baseless blame game.

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