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	<title>Comments on: The economy’s ‘China Syndrome’</title>
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		<title>By: LouVignates</title>
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		<dc:creator>LouVignates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, here&#039;s something interestng about Romney.  Look carefully at a good closeup of his head.  Note the tuft of hair in the center of his forehead.  Behind the tuft is a half moon of baldness.  Along the front of the tuft are about ten small bundles of hairs that look very much like hair-transplant bundles.  Seems like Romney has a hair transplant.  Put it together with his frequent use of &quot;I&quot;, and you get VANITY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, here&#8217;s something interestng about Romney.  Look carefully at a good closeup of his head.  Note the tuft of hair in the center of his forehead.  Behind the tuft is a half moon of baldness.  Along the front of the tuft are about ten small bundles of hairs that look very much like hair-transplant bundles.  Seems like Romney has a hair transplant.  Put it together with his frequent use of &#8220;I&#8221;, and you get VANITY.</p>
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		<title>By: Ceorl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceorl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1% can get richer by driving down labor costs. Globalisation is merely the realignment of industries and services to countries with little or no labor laws, Unions and employment protection. People in developing countries are available in large numbers who work long hours for wages next to nothing. Developing countries are populated by people that haven&#039;t reached a state where they can be arrogant enough to demand the idea that they have Rights by Law. Their world is in flux and by sheer numbers give rise to a fast flowing river of developing groups of people being used by the 1%. Surely this common denominator of 1% leaves the remaining 99% of the developed countries destitute of further progress to those who have yet to do likewise.
The rich do indeed get richer. The poor merely aspire to do likewise. It&#039;s a question of balance. etc, etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1% can get richer by driving down labor costs. Globalisation is merely the realignment of industries and services to countries with little or no labor laws, Unions and employment protection. People in developing countries are available in large numbers who work long hours for wages next to nothing. Developing countries are populated by people that haven&#8217;t reached a state where they can be arrogant enough to demand the idea that they have Rights by Law. Their world is in flux and by sheer numbers give rise to a fast flowing river of developing groups of people being used by the 1%. Surely this common denominator of 1% leaves the remaining 99% of the developed countries destitute of further progress to those who have yet to do likewise.<br />
The rich do indeed get richer. The poor merely aspire to do likewise. It&#8217;s a question of balance. etc, etc</p>
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		<title>By: fi10000</title>
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		<dc:creator>fi10000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@iq160 I understand your frustration for the lack of qualified candidates, but I don&#039;t think you understand how education costs and compensation and working conditions have changed in the tech and science fields.

When you went to school your 4 year degree probably cost $2,000 or so. We you got out you had a fair number of jobs to choose from that paid around $20,000 a year.

Now if I go to get a good tech degree and possibly a masters degree that is going to cost me about $65,000 - $100,000 and my expected out of college earning will be around $40,000 - $60,000.

Also, when you went to school there was something called an &quot;entry level&quot; job. This is probably where you got you start and gained to the experience to be &quot;qualified&quot; for the jobs you are talking about.

Do to 20 years of outsourcing in the tech industries there are fewer and fewer Americans with enough &quot;entry level&quot; experience to be qualified for these jobs.

So this is what an American 17 year old looks at when he decides what to do with his life and thinks about computer science.

Get a four year degree working really hard all four years. Not being able to go out or hold a part time job to help defer the cost. Ring up $50,000 - $70,000 in debt.

Go out into the work force and realize that there are few if any entry level jobs and go back to get your masters. Spend another $25,000 in debt and now while working just as hard in school start joining up to do a bunch of free labor in whatever open source projects you can find to try and get experience on paper.

Get out of school, move back home with your parents. Start your own project, knowing you won&#039;t make any money with it. Spend a year on it and hopefully it will get popular and you can network your way into a place for $40,000 - $60,000 a year.

Once you get there you&#039;ll work 60-80 hours a week. Sometimes more. Since you are a &quot;knowledge worker&quot; you don&#039;t get overtime and when you sit down with a calculator that if you worked in a warehouse for $10-$12/hr with overtime you would make the same amount of money.

Since you sit at a desk for 60-80 hours a week you don&#039;t have time for exercise you&#039;ll be in terrible shape and feel unhealthy all the time.

Unfortunately, people in these outside countries have huge advantages now. Their education is cheaper. There is more &quot;entry level&quot; positions and their wages typically go further.

So although you may be shocked. Most people like me, who actually compete as a _worker_ in the global economy, wishes he got a business/finance degree.

Which is what all these smart people are doing. Because working in the tech industry when you have to pay the price of US education is a rip off for a worker. It seems pretty obvious when you spend a minute to think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@iq160 I understand your frustration for the lack of qualified candidates, but I don&#8217;t think you understand how education costs and compensation and working conditions have changed in the tech and science fields.</p>
<p>When you went to school your 4 year degree probably cost $2,000 or so. We you got out you had a fair number of jobs to choose from that paid around $20,000 a year.</p>
<p>Now if I go to get a good tech degree and possibly a masters degree that is going to cost me about $65,000 &#8211; $100,000 and my expected out of college earning will be around $40,000 &#8211; $60,000.</p>
<p>Also, when you went to school there was something called an &#8220;entry level&#8221; job. This is probably where you got you start and gained to the experience to be &#8220;qualified&#8221; for the jobs you are talking about.</p>
<p>Do to 20 years of outsourcing in the tech industries there are fewer and fewer Americans with enough &#8220;entry level&#8221; experience to be qualified for these jobs.</p>
<p>So this is what an American 17 year old looks at when he decides what to do with his life and thinks about computer science.</p>
<p>Get a four year degree working really hard all four years. Not being able to go out or hold a part time job to help defer the cost. Ring up $50,000 &#8211; $70,000 in debt.</p>
<p>Go out into the work force and realize that there are few if any entry level jobs and go back to get your masters. Spend another $25,000 in debt and now while working just as hard in school start joining up to do a bunch of free labor in whatever open source projects you can find to try and get experience on paper.</p>
<p>Get out of school, move back home with your parents. Start your own project, knowing you won&#8217;t make any money with it. Spend a year on it and hopefully it will get popular and you can network your way into a place for $40,000 &#8211; $60,000 a year.</p>
<p>Once you get there you&#8217;ll work 60-80 hours a week. Sometimes more. Since you are a &#8220;knowledge worker&#8221; you don&#8217;t get overtime and when you sit down with a calculator that if you worked in a warehouse for $10-$12/hr with overtime you would make the same amount of money.</p>
<p>Since you sit at a desk for 60-80 hours a week you don&#8217;t have time for exercise you&#8217;ll be in terrible shape and feel unhealthy all the time.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, people in these outside countries have huge advantages now. Their education is cheaper. There is more &#8220;entry level&#8221; positions and their wages typically go further.</p>
<p>So although you may be shocked. Most people like me, who actually compete as a _worker_ in the global economy, wishes he got a business/finance degree.</p>
<p>Which is what all these smart people are doing. Because working in the tech industry when you have to pay the price of US education is a rip off for a worker. It seems pretty obvious when you spend a minute to think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: mgb500</title>
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		<dc:creator>mgb500</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One common streak running here...that the US is THE world....I have amazing news..there ARE nations outside the borders of the US...!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One common streak running here&#8230;that the US is THE world&#8230;.I have amazing news..there ARE nations outside the borders of the US&#8230;!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian_Kemmish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian_Kemmish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two observations:

1) Globalisation isn&#039;t a &quot;here and now&quot; thing at all.  The market for violins has been globalised for 400 years.  For porcelain, 300.  For aerospace, since the demise of the deHavilland Comet.  For computers, since the 1960s, for cars since the 1980s, and so on.  (As a Brit, one tends to notice the loss of these industries more!)  Globalisation is more of a rolling wave that gradually overtakes various industries.  It&#039;s not just the low cost of making things in China, but the low cost of transporting them from there which means that they command more industries than just porcelain these days.

2) When Amazon, a global company, opened their first UK warehouse, it was reported in the press than the UK staff worked the same hours and were expected to stuff the same number of boxes as their US counterpars, but for 70% of the pay.  It seems clear that as globalisation extends further into high-wage economies like the US, implicit subsidies such as this will also be eroded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two observations:</p>
<p>1) Globalisation isn&#8217;t a &#8220;here and now&#8221; thing at all.  The market for violins has been globalised for 400 years.  For porcelain, 300.  For aerospace, since the demise of the deHavilland Comet.  For computers, since the 1960s, for cars since the 1980s, and so on.  (As a Brit, one tends to notice the loss of these industries more!)  Globalisation is more of a rolling wave that gradually overtakes various industries.  It&#8217;s not just the low cost of making things in China, but the low cost of transporting them from there which means that they command more industries than just porcelain these days.</p>
<p>2) When Amazon, a global company, opened their first UK warehouse, it was reported in the press than the UK staff worked the same hours and were expected to stuff the same number of boxes as their US counterpars, but for 70% of the pay.  It seems clear that as globalisation extends further into high-wage economies like the US, implicit subsidies such as this will also be eroded.</p>
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		<title>By: UauS</title>
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		<dc:creator>UauS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 19:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was laid off from a major and used-to-be-iconic US corporation (a recent bankrupt, bwt), because our entire production line went to Mexico...  900 people were let go in one day.
And I was laid off from yet another major and used-to-be-iconic US corporation (not a bankrupt yet, bwt), because the entire IT project was outsourced to India...

well, &quot;Globalization is working&quot;, but I am not...
so my question is: FOR WHOM is Globalization working?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was laid off from a major and used-to-be-iconic US corporation (a recent bankrupt, bwt), because our entire production line went to Mexico&#8230;  900 people were let go in one day.<br />
And I was laid off from yet another major and used-to-be-iconic US corporation (not a bankrupt yet, bwt), because the entire IT project was outsourced to India&#8230;</p>
<p>well, &#8220;Globalization is working&#8221;, but I am not&#8230;<br />
so my question is: FOR WHOM is Globalization working?</p>
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		<title>By: DifferentOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>DifferentOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is there no mention of the fact that China cheats by holding their currency to an artificially low exchange rate?

The mega corporations that manufacture in China profit from China&#039;s cheating, which is why China continues to get away with it. And the wealthy 1% of the population profit handsomely by holding the shares of these mega corporations. In other words, they benefit enormously from the China&#039;s artificially low Yuan.

So while rich American shareholders have gotten steadily richer, American factory workers have lost their jobs. This has contributed to America&#039;s real estate crisis, and the ballooning national debt.

Those who are not suffering can speak calmly about &quot;leveling out&quot; wages. But to be fair, we should first talk about &quot;leveling out&quot; currency exchange rates by requiring China to allow its Yuan to float freely. Let&#039;s ensure a level playing field before we smugly endorse &quot;leveling out&quot; US workers&#039; wages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is there no mention of the fact that China cheats by holding their currency to an artificially low exchange rate?</p>
<p>The mega corporations that manufacture in China profit from China&#8217;s cheating, which is why China continues to get away with it. And the wealthy 1% of the population profit handsomely by holding the shares of these mega corporations. In other words, they benefit enormously from the China&#8217;s artificially low Yuan.</p>
<p>So while rich American shareholders have gotten steadily richer, American factory workers have lost their jobs. This has contributed to America&#8217;s real estate crisis, and the ballooning national debt.</p>
<p>Those who are not suffering can speak calmly about &#8220;leveling out&#8221; wages. But to be fair, we should first talk about &#8220;leveling out&#8221; currency exchange rates by requiring China to allow its Yuan to float freely. Let&#8217;s ensure a level playing field before we smugly endorse &#8220;leveling out&#8221; US workers&#8217; wages.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Traveler</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Traveler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A well written and insightful article. I especially enjoyed reading the cited report, &quot;The China Syndrome&quot;, quite a bit of thought provoking information. And Stiglitz is right, there will be some equalization of wages as globalization progresses. For a country like the US that has always enjoyed higher wage standards than say, China, this isn&#039;t working too well for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A well written and insightful article. I especially enjoyed reading the cited report, &#8220;The China Syndrome&#8221;, quite a bit of thought provoking information. And Stiglitz is right, there will be some equalization of wages as globalization progresses. For a country like the US that has always enjoyed higher wage standards than say, China, this isn&#8217;t working too well for us.</p>
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		<title>By: xcanada2</title>
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		<dc:creator>xcanada2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nevertheless, the quandary we now find ourselves in is that the 1% have largely captured our government, own our media, and thereby &quot;inform&quot; our people.  One can expect that they will use this power to further their myopic self-interests, and will become even richer and more in control. Political party is fairly irrelevant to this problem.  How to best get out of this vicious cycle, is a key question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevertheless, the quandary we now find ourselves in is that the 1% have largely captured our government, own our media, and thereby &#8220;inform&#8221; our people.  One can expect that they will use this power to further their myopic self-interests, and will become even richer and more in control. Political party is fairly irrelevant to this problem.  How to best get out of this vicious cycle, is a key question.</p>
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		<title>By: WouldChuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>WouldChuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GLK  &quot;Both parties have sold out the American middle class...&quot; in essence, and as a &quot;contractor&quot; (couldn&#039;t get a corporate job after 9/11 lay-off) I&#039;ve watched/helped outsource jobs everywhere around the world, &quot;they&quot; the corporations have been &quot;strip-mining&quot; the wealth of this nation. This time &quot;it is different.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GLK  &#8220;Both parties have sold out the American middle class&#8230;&#8221; in essence, and as a &#8220;contractor&#8221; (couldn&#8217;t get a corporate job after 9/11 lay-off) I&#8217;ve watched/helped outsource jobs everywhere around the world, &#8220;they&#8221; the corporations have been &#8220;strip-mining&#8221; the wealth of this nation. This time &#8220;it is different.&#8221;</p>
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