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	<title>Comments on: In Milwaukee, an evaporating middle class</title>
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		<title>By: sharonsj</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2011/12/15/milwaukees-middle-class-is-evaporating/#comment-433</link>
		<dc:creator>sharonsj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ajsfca con&#039;t...

Less than 9% of the workforce is unionized, so blaming them is ridiculous--all you did was swallow Republican kool-aid.

There is almost no manufacturing left in this country, so decent jobs for high school grads are gone.  You need a college degree or specialized technical training and that costs more money than kids have--because, after all, their parents aren&#039;t earning a living wage.  Pell grants helped, but those are being cut (mostly by Republicans).

And lest you think I despise only Republicans, I hate Democrats too.  They are spineless sell-outs and we have a Congress that not only doesn&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass for people, it doesn&#039;t care about the country either.  We need to throw out most of them and change the campaign laws--starting with Citizens United.  After all, if corporations were people, we&#039;d be putting them on trial for theft and murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ajsfca con&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
<p>Less than 9% of the workforce is unionized, so blaming them is ridiculous&#8211;all you did was swallow Republican kool-aid.</p>
<p>There is almost no manufacturing left in this country, so decent jobs for high school grads are gone.  You need a college degree or specialized technical training and that costs more money than kids have&#8211;because, after all, their parents aren&#8217;t earning a living wage.  Pell grants helped, but those are being cut (mostly by Republicans).</p>
<p>And lest you think I despise only Republicans, I hate Democrats too.  They are spineless sell-outs and we have a Congress that not only doesn&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s ass for people, it doesn&#8217;t care about the country either.  We need to throw out most of them and change the campaign laws&#8211;starting with Citizens United.  After all, if corporations were people, we&#8217;d be putting them on trial for theft and murder.</p>
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		<title>By: gregfromOhio</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregfromOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 18:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only guess the OUTLAWING of labor unions in Wisconsin hasn&#039;t worked like King Walker said it would.
If he and Wisconsin Republicans aren&#039;t held accountable for their choices then Wisconsin&#039;s population deserves what they have gotten.Thank goodness ,we in Ohio saw this for what it is a FLEECING of the Middle Class.By the way,Our State Employees ratified a 3 yr contract extension
at current rates.The Governor KING john kasich still balanced his 2 yr budget?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only guess the OUTLAWING of labor unions in Wisconsin hasn&#8217;t worked like King Walker said it would.<br />
If he and Wisconsin Republicans aren&#8217;t held accountable for their choices then Wisconsin&#8217;s population deserves what they have gotten.Thank goodness ,we in Ohio saw this for what it is a FLEECING of the Middle Class.By the way,Our State Employees ratified a 3 yr contract extension<br />
at current rates.The Governor KING john kasich still balanced his 2 yr budget?</p>
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		<title>By: GoPackForever</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2011/12/15/milwaukees-middle-class-is-evaporating/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>GoPackForever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually a Milwaukee resident for twenty years and some of this is misinterpretation. Lets admit some of the shrinking middle class is because some people moved up the socioeconomic ladder. Also many middle class families have moved out of Milwaukee and Milwaukee County because they are so poorly run, tax burden is horrendous and the educational system is a nightmare especially in the City. So some of the &quot;shrinking&quot; middle class is &quot;fleeing&quot; to Ozaukee and Waukesha counties where education and taxation are more livable. Wisconsin in general has lagged in moving from manufacturing/farming to capital/technology industries and city/state government and sorry-unions have done little to help that. It will be Detroit soon unless visionaries intervene. At this point the only people who can afford to live in the City are the are the upper class and the lower class and the teachers who are forced to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually a Milwaukee resident for twenty years and some of this is misinterpretation. Lets admit some of the shrinking middle class is because some people moved up the socioeconomic ladder. Also many middle class families have moved out of Milwaukee and Milwaukee County because they are so poorly run, tax burden is horrendous and the educational system is a nightmare especially in the City. So some of the &#8220;shrinking&#8221; middle class is &#8220;fleeing&#8221; to Ozaukee and Waukesha counties where education and taxation are more livable. Wisconsin in general has lagged in moving from manufacturing/farming to capital/technology industries and city/state government and sorry-unions have done little to help that. It will be Detroit soon unless visionaries intervene. At this point the only people who can afford to live in the City are the are the upper class and the lower class and the teachers who are forced to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: M.C.McBride</title>
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		<dc:creator>M.C.McBride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 21:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of ideas to add to the many good posts are tariffs on low-wage countries, and taxes on capital traders. As for the American education system which is also to blame, I would say change the education system so that it is about how to create products and services not how to be a teacher. All college graduates should be able to teach there chosen topics well, and there should not be a &quot;teaching&quot; degree or licensing of teachers. Furthermore, there should not be colleges for &quot;lawyers&quot; the law should be widely taught to everyone and user friendly.  If the law is confusing it gets thrown out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of ideas to add to the many good posts are tariffs on low-wage countries, and taxes on capital traders. As for the American education system which is also to blame, I would say change the education system so that it is about how to create products and services not how to be a teacher. All college graduates should be able to teach there chosen topics well, and there should not be a &#8220;teaching&#8221; degree or licensing of teachers. Furthermore, there should not be colleges for &#8220;lawyers&#8221; the law should be widely taught to everyone and user friendly.  If the law is confusing it gets thrown out.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USA – the #1 baby eating zombie of century 21 will make more wars to absorb all the fit young zombies and make then useful to their multi-national resource extracting slave owners.
Search for this link and read the book. It&#039;ll sounds completely wacko and is hard to swallow, but given what is going on around us it sadly makes sense. It&#039;s written by John Coleman.
THE TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE FOR HUMAN RELATIONS - Hole</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USA – the #1 baby eating zombie of century 21 will make more wars to absorb all the fit young zombies and make then useful to their multi-national resource extracting slave owners.<br />
Search for this link and read the book. It&#8217;ll sounds completely wacko and is hard to swallow, but given what is going on around us it sadly makes sense. It&#8217;s written by John Coleman.<br />
THE TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE FOR HUMAN RELATIONS &#8211; Hole</p>
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		<title>By: cadabra</title>
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		<dc:creator>cadabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the article and comments are missing a very important point. The manufacturing jobs of the 1950s and 60s are gone forever. We need to devise a new type of economy that serves all or most of our people. The politicians don&#039;t have the answers; the answers must come from us, and all we are doing is complaining. For example, in times of economic transition, one would think our schools would be producing the best students. But what is happening is our schools are failing, across social class lines. The number of &quot;Americans&quot; earning graduate degrees in the sciences and engineering has been declining. Our best colleges are filled with foreign nationals. Walk into any medical school and see who the students are. More than that, we are losing our creativity, imagination and insustriousness, and we are losing our ability to form supportive social networks to encourage economic, educational, and other kinds of development.

I wish the comments here were more expressive of innovative efforts occuring in people&#039;s communities, ways in which communities were learning to work together effectively; ways in which children were being educated independently of the public and parochial schools; ways in which people were learning to improve their healthcare through better nutrition; ways in which human and economic resources were being leveraged for better advantage.

There are simple economic principles that can be applied. If a dollar is recirculated within a community three or four times the multiplier effect is huge. When one spends a dollar in a chain store (Wlamart, for example) that dollar disappears from the community. But when that dollar in spent in a local business, that local business recirculates that dollr to another local supplier, and so on. That magnifies the limited resources a community has. If people learned to work more effectively as teams, whether to puruse educational or business ventures, the impact would be huge. But instead, we seem to want someone else to initiate policies that will return us to the prosperity of the past, and it just isn&#039;t going to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the article and comments are missing a very important point. The manufacturing jobs of the 1950s and 60s are gone forever. We need to devise a new type of economy that serves all or most of our people. The politicians don&#8217;t have the answers; the answers must come from us, and all we are doing is complaining. For example, in times of economic transition, one would think our schools would be producing the best students. But what is happening is our schools are failing, across social class lines. The number of &#8220;Americans&#8221; earning graduate degrees in the sciences and engineering has been declining. Our best colleges are filled with foreign nationals. Walk into any medical school and see who the students are. More than that, we are losing our creativity, imagination and insustriousness, and we are losing our ability to form supportive social networks to encourage economic, educational, and other kinds of development.</p>
<p>I wish the comments here were more expressive of innovative efforts occuring in people&#8217;s communities, ways in which communities were learning to work together effectively; ways in which children were being educated independently of the public and parochial schools; ways in which people were learning to improve their healthcare through better nutrition; ways in which human and economic resources were being leveraged for better advantage.</p>
<p>There are simple economic principles that can be applied. If a dollar is recirculated within a community three or four times the multiplier effect is huge. When one spends a dollar in a chain store (Wlamart, for example) that dollar disappears from the community. But when that dollar in spent in a local business, that local business recirculates that dollr to another local supplier, and so on. That magnifies the limited resources a community has. If people learned to work more effectively as teams, whether to puruse educational or business ventures, the impact would be huge. But instead, we seem to want someone else to initiate policies that will return us to the prosperity of the past, and it just isn&#8217;t going to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: jambrytay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jambrytay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GSH10,

Your comment &quot;We make very little here in the states&quot; is wildly inaccurate.  

Depending on whose study you believe, the US is the world&#039;s number 1 or 2 manufacturer. The loss of manufacturing jobs has a lot to do with improvements in productivity which allows us to turn out more goods with fewer workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GSH10,</p>
<p>Your comment &#8220;We make very little here in the states&#8221; is wildly inaccurate.  </p>
<p>Depending on whose study you believe, the US is the world&#8217;s number 1 or 2 manufacturer. The loss of manufacturing jobs has a lot to do with improvements in productivity which allows us to turn out more goods with fewer workers.</p>
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		<title>By: jambrytay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jambrytay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering how representative Milwaukee is for the nation as a whole. 

I did a study of couple of years ago looking at long term household income data published by the US Census and it shows the middle and lower income groups have faired pretty well over the last 40 or so years.  

The data shows the numbers of the middle and lower income households have gotten smaller and the numbers of the higher income households has grown over the same timeframe.

In 1967 31% of families were in the lower income group, by 2007, families in the lower income group had fallen to less that 25% of the total. the percentage of middle income households also dropped over this time period. in 1967, less than 6% of households were in the upper income group, by 2007, 20% of households were. 

Ive not been back to their site to see more recent data, but the data will probably show a short term reversal, but the longer term view (the better lens to view and make judgements) is showing a steady improvement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering how representative Milwaukee is for the nation as a whole. </p>
<p>I did a study of couple of years ago looking at long term household income data published by the US Census and it shows the middle and lower income groups have faired pretty well over the last 40 or so years.  </p>
<p>The data shows the numbers of the middle and lower income households have gotten smaller and the numbers of the higher income households has grown over the same timeframe.</p>
<p>In 1967 31% of families were in the lower income group, by 2007, families in the lower income group had fallen to less that 25% of the total. the percentage of middle income households also dropped over this time period. in 1967, less than 6% of households were in the upper income group, by 2007, 20% of households were. </p>
<p>Ive not been back to their site to see more recent data, but the data will probably show a short term reversal, but the longer term view (the better lens to view and make judgements) is showing a steady improvement</p>
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		<title>By: beboris</title>
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		<dc:creator>beboris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There must be a law that makes a direct connection between the size of compensation for the government workers (of any level) with the economic performance (read - average salary) of the entity they govern. How can the ridiculous arrangements be sustained that keep a California state worker salary above $100K/year (with about same size pension for MORE than life - that surviving spouse keeps obtaining even after the person&#039;s death)? All that while the state is bankrupt and [revenue generating!] private sector&#039;s salaries (let alone pensions) are nowhere near... Whelcome to the United States of Greece...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There must be a law that makes a direct connection between the size of compensation for the government workers (of any level) with the economic performance (read &#8211; average salary) of the entity they govern. How can the ridiculous arrangements be sustained that keep a California state worker salary above $100K/year (with about same size pension for MORE than life &#8211; that surviving spouse keeps obtaining even after the person&#8217;s death)? All that while the state is bankrupt and [revenue generating!] private sector&#8217;s salaries (let alone pensions) are nowhere near&#8230; Whelcome to the United States of Greece&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: txgadfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>txgadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t want to pay Social Security, pay back the Social Security taxes you have collected from me over the past 40 years, with interest at tbill rates.

Do not sell something and then pocket the money -- and run to the Pentagon with the name of another country to invade!  Theft is theft is theft.  Pay up the benefits or refund what was charged for them.  Simple.  When we say we cannot &quot;afford&quot; to pay social benefits, notice that none of those scammers are willing to stop charging for them -- i.e. cancel all FICA and Unemployment taxes.  After all, that is how they funded these non-stop wars in Asia and how they bought us so many &quot;allies&quot; in the Middle East.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t want to pay Social Security, pay back the Social Security taxes you have collected from me over the past 40 years, with interest at tbill rates.</p>
<p>Do not sell something and then pocket the money &#8212; and run to the Pentagon with the name of another country to invade!  Theft is theft is theft.  Pay up the benefits or refund what was charged for them.  Simple.  When we say we cannot &#8220;afford&#8221; to pay social benefits, notice that none of those scammers are willing to stop charging for them &#8212; i.e. cancel all FICA and Unemployment taxes.  After all, that is how they funded these non-stop wars in Asia and how they bought us so many &#8220;allies&#8221; in the Middle East.</p>
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