Comments on: Mitt and the middle class http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/02/03/mitt-and-the-middle-class/ Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:37:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: mkr1953 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/02/03/mitt-and-the-middle-class/#comment-805 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:58:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=439#comment-805 These over the top names and labels which the GOP intelligentsia has ordained are purposely inaccurate and hark back to the good ole Red Scare days shortly after the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. What’s disturbing is it’s directed at a moderate president who has no collectivist tendencies. He does believe that “trickle down” is an empty promise and has legitimate concerns about the disappearing American “middle class”. America’s super power status was a result of the whole sale destruction of Europe’s industrial base during the war and our emergence as the only modern industrialized country not ravaged by the war. Our returning GI’s took advantage of the GI Bill and suddenly the new middle class was born of these new college graduates who led the nation into the second half of the 20th century. It was a tremendous expansion of the economy and the new men born in war rather than with a silver spoon ran it. The ruling class has a huge infusion of “new” blood. That has gradually shrunk since the early 70’s to the new economy which has transferred huge wealth to the top 1% mainly by tax law. It has shrunk the ruling class dramatically. It’s undemocratic and more like 19th century Great Britain than what 21st century America should be.

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By: dbird82 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/02/03/mitt-and-the-middle-class/#comment-653 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:28:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=439#comment-653 The trickle up poverty does not work either. Penalize people who take risk on themselves? Or have a good idea and execute it well?Or work many long hours and make sound investments? Bring down the successful in our nation, that’s the ticket. Pander to the lazy, and use class warfare, that will get you re-elected.

The heavily Marxist laiden comments lead me to believe that the re-distributionist campaigner in chief will be re-elected. I apologize for my demographic. Young, twenties, who are uniformed and say socialist things becuase it is cool.

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By: wildbiker http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/02/03/mitt-and-the-middle-class/#comment-650 Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:23:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=439#comment-650 The heresay and innuendo in this article and comments seems less a search for the truth than a justification of the prejudice. How about we ask what has the current administration done to improve the middle class? How about what has the administration done to enable the poor to dig themselves out of poverty and move to middle class? It should be every American’s objective to be rich by their own hand, not by a handout. Let’s first ask if this president deserves another term based upon the results of his performance. Then we can sort out who to best replace him, if that’s the conclusion about what’s to be done.

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By: mikemm http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/02/03/mitt-and-the-middle-class/#comment-647 Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:25:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=439#comment-647 I think a basic problem of semantics that both parties and the voters have is a clear and agreed upon definition of who is in the the middle class. There used to be a blue collar working class that was above the poor yet not quite teh white collar middle class which seems to have morphed into the current middle class and the upper regions of it are anyone’s guess.

It seems that some people I would consider to be poor still consider themselves to be middle class because they work and own a home (and struggle to do that). I think it’s a matter of pride where many people call themselves middle class who wouldn’t pass an objective test of have much if any net worth.

I think quite a few wealthy people also call themselves middle class since they still see themselves wanting more things than they earn enough for and forget that they are doing quite well in comparison to most.

We really need some objective criteria such as a lower limit of $60K of both income and/or net worth and a higher cutoff of $250K in either income or net worth.
My numbers are just examples and may be different than what others would use, but the point is that only then could we really assess who and what helps the middle class and what doesn’t.

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By: AAAplus http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/02/03/mitt-and-the-middle-class/#comment-646 Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:24:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=439#comment-646 Just to add a little more flavor to the comments from a different perspective. Just the appearance of Romney seems commical to me, his clumsy and uncordinated body language, the expression on his face, a bit like a clown, a bit like someone not so clever. His jeans with that blue shirt, no-style dressing is just confirming the above.. I am wondering, who is smarter, he or a 5th grader?
Hope this guy does not get in to the White House, I really hope so.

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By: matthewslyman http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/02/03/mitt-and-the-middle-class/#comment-645 Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:17:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=439#comment-645 An interesting aside on “Mormon” beliefs with respect to secular government, and its role in society:

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testame nt/dc/134?lang=eng

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f  /1.11-12?lang=eng#10

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By: jcfl http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/02/03/mitt-and-the-middle-class/#comment-644 Mon, 06 Feb 2012 11:52:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=439#comment-644 the gop has only two agendas – both spoken in private only:
1. eliminate taxes on the wealthy and large corporations.
2. eliminate all public programs.
nothing else matters. all else they say is just lip service, smoke and mirrors. what the rest of us propose is to return to tax rates they have already paid, before 1980, and between 1994 and 2000. that is not an increase, just giving back the lucrative breaks given by reagan and bush2. they were wealthy then they will still be wealthy. America is not an oligarchy yet and i trust that the 99% will understand it cannot become one, and that their votes will always outnumber the gop. but we have to vote! they have at most 25% of the population that swallow everything the gop, fox, & the radio bobble heads say.
abortion? didn’t the gop have all four branches of govt in total control for 6 years? why then was nothing done about roe v wade, or for that matter a balanced budget, deficit control, social security, medicare, medicaid, healthcare? for the answer see #1&2 above. smoke and mirrors – wake up before they ruin this country – they came much too close the last time they were in control.

“My heart and my best intentions still tell me that’s true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.” Ronald Reagan

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By: xyz2055 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/02/03/mitt-and-the-middle-class/#comment-643 Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:59:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=439#comment-643 American’s are slowly starting to get it. Politican’s like Romney step out there and claim to be concerned about the middle class. But when you examine their policies and plans…there’s nothing there that ACTUALLY supports or helps the middle class. The 35% tax rate is the biggest lie going in America. It’s getting harder and harder to find anyone who actually pays that much in taxes. Romney says he pays 14% (on over $20M in 2010 earnings), Gingrich says he paid 31%. We already know that Buffett pays about 15% and that GE pays zero in taxes.

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By: myownexperience http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/02/03/mitt-and-the-middle-class/#comment-641 Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:29:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=439#comment-641 “Broad economic growth” Republican definition: Suck as much money put of the middle class as possible and transfer it to the 1%. It’s not in the GOPs DNA to help anyone but the wealthy. Americans are beginning to get it. Obama will hammer it home.

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By: taxcorps2 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2012/02/03/mitt-and-the-middle-class/#comment-640 Sun, 05 Feb 2012 04:45:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=439#comment-640 Just want to say that the comment by Julsman puts it succinctly: “If trickle down economics worked why do 3rd world economies continue to suffer?”

My following comment may be off the direct topic which focuses on income and taxes, but I believe it is relevant to the topic of the middle class.

The big-money Repubs in effect want a 3rd world type situation: total control and dominion by the 1-2% of everyone else. Trickle-down economics has been shown to not work, but don’t bother them with the truth, they are busy maintaining their dog and pony show. There are many people who do work hard, with either a good trade or college education, that by nature of what they do and where they are, do not make $200,000/yr or near half that, and at best are just staying even with where they were 10-15 yrs ago. There will always be the individuals that happen to get into a job/business where they make big money, even without any education beyond high school, but they are an exception. Republicans are adept at recruiting those fortunate individuals into their fold.

The Republican party has excelled for decades in using ideological concepts, not facts, to get votes and stay in power. Use of religious beliefs is a prime example. Note the use of Christian, “faith-based” ideology and fervor at the “Faith and Freedom” event that was central in media attention in the days preceding the South Carolina primary.

A step down on their social engineering checklist is the propagation of the notion that to be Republican is to be one of “the good guys in the white hats”; to be one of the elite, to be “better than those…people”.

Education is an example of Republican prowess at the use of ideology, such as religion, to garner votes from those in a profession who the Republicans actually work against at every turn. Some public school teachers have voted Republican due to the perception that the Republicans are more Christian, more godly. Yet, the same party attempts to destroy our system of free public education, by demeaning those who are most important in doing the real work of education, the teachers. By making teaching more difficult, by popularizing the idea that everything wrong in schools, and most of society, is because of public school teachers (and unions), they have lessened the respect for teaching as a noble and worthwhile career. The Repubs have succeeded in driving many a young person away from a career in education, or away from their home state to another state to teach. This works toward the Repub objective of controlling minds by controlling education, in their private and charter schools, while closing more and more public schools. This is another strategic effort, disguised by rhetoric pretending to want to improve education for the masses, to control both the middle and lower (income) classes. What is not said in their rhetoric which villainizes teachers, is that teachers do not the run schools (administrators, school boards and state officials do), and that teachers certainly do not direct what goes on in students’ homes, if they have a home. Good schools are important, but without good free public schools, the middle class will certainly have the rug pulled out from under them.

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