Comments on: The Islamist Spring Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:37:49 +0000 hourly 1 By: Parker1227 Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:17:56 +0000 This column sounds like a whole bunch of denial and excuse making by a supporter of an Arab Spring which has gone bad.

Threats against Israel, the arrests of well-meaning Westerners advocating for democracy and human rights, the attacks on the Coptic Christians: we DO have a choice as to whether are not we fund and assist people who reject common decency and tolerance toward people who are different than they are.

By: JagPop Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:03:18 +0000 Evereg,

Your “baubles” of wisdom are wasted on (presumed) Americans who have no interest in geography, math, literacy, reading comprehension, history, logic, philosophy, morality, comparative religion, languages, art, science, brotherhood, citizenship…

Perhaps you should try posting in Belgium. :)

By: Evereg Sun, 08 Apr 2012 04:46:36 +0000 “Economic and political incentives are something you could offer to Belgium or Singapore with some expectation of a favorable result. Islamist countries have little interest in such things apart from fooling those who hand over such baubles.”
I wonder how many self-proclaimed experts on islamic tendencies, like the author of this line, have ever lived in an islamic country, attempted to speak the language, and experienced daily life among its denizens.
No, my friend, you cannot compare a country that has fought its own battle for real democracy with countries like Iraq and Afghanistan that have had fake “democracy” forced upon them by an outside invader.

By: wil.b Sat, 07 Apr 2012 23:57:24 +0000 Islamism will not win any thing any more, people want the old system back because it is able to fight this virus.

By: Eideard Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:04:46 +0000 Yup. Democracy is a bear. Which is why hypocrites who say it is the ultimate in political governance – so often try to impede it.

By: JagPop Sat, 07 Apr 2012 12:33:10 +0000 “In interviews, Tunisian and Egyptian Islamists said they did not want American meddling in their political affairs but said they were eager to be part of the world economy. Becoming Hamas-like international pariahs seemed to hold little appeal to them. They too know that a by-product of a globalized economy is that isolation now carries a staggering economic cost.”

Here you really state the issue, but you want us to see a different meaning.

“Hamas-like international pariahs” means: running contrary to zionist machinations.

Iran is under sanctions as it is trying to stay off the zionist leash.

Saudi Arabia has on the drawing board SIXTEEN nuclear plants as it is planning for the not-so-distant future. As Saudi Arabia develops other industries, more of it’s oil will go towards local consumption and this will be happening at the same time as it’s oil reserves shrink. To counter this Saudi Arabia sees energizing future development with nuclear power while keeping it’s oil reserves for export income.

The sanctions against Iran PROVE that Iran should enrich it’s own uranium. If it’s future becomes one tethered to sanction-vulnerable uranium IMPORTS it will be at the whim of the zionists.

Iran is being whipped through the international banking system to put the leash around it’s own neck. The same international banking system could make Tunisia and Egypt obedient to foreign hegemony.

Nor do Tunisia and Egypt want “meddling in their political affairs” through military means either as has been seen, to state two examples out of many, in Gaza with the Bush plotted coup of 2007 (after Hamas won the election against Fatah Bush armed and prodded a Fatah strongman in Gaza to have a coup against Hamas, Hamas got wind of Bush’s treachery and preempted his coup) nor the Lebanon invasion of 2006 (Lebanon was invaded four months after Hezbollah had a major boost to it’s political ascension having signed a Memorandum Of Understanding with the Christian politcal party in February 2006).

By: walfourth Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:21:16 +0000 “In private, American officials say they hope to create economic and political incentives that make being part of the international system appealing to Islamists. That strategy is the correct one.”

How is that a correct strategy? Did it work in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc? Economic and political incentives are something you could offer to Belgium or Singapore with some expectation of a favorable result. Islamist countries have little interest in such things apart from fooling those who hand over such baubles. David Rohde’s might have been excused for having such a dubious understanding of Islamists twenty years ago, but not now. One now has to assume that David Rohde is either willfully ignorant or malicious. He is a guide who would lead a blind man into a crocodile pit.

By: JagPop Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:10:28 +0000 ” Americans asked Islamists if their commitment to democracy was real. Islamists asked the same question back. Some exchanges were tense, but an awkward dialogue emerged.”

The Islamists had BETTER ask if our Trojan Horse is real, my goodness.

Democracy is the US’ Trojan Horse for Hegemony.

The veil came off the ugly sister when Bush made Elliot Abrams his Democracy Czar for the Mideast.

The name of our horse?
Demo/cracy … Hege/mony

By: hallofids Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:18:28 +0000 At last and naturally.. Islam needed such discussions on various issues primarily “development” and its sub-components such as advancement in science and technology, promotion of freedom in the community. They needed to review their “ability to change” on one hand to adapt and adopt current state of civilization and on the other hand to lead the international community in some fields for the good and prosperity of world. So far, Islam could not give much if not anything to the world since centuries.

In addition, world powers locked them into underdevelopment since the 19th century by focusing natural resources and forming puppet government afar of peoples.

One cannot expect positive development in the Middle East unless the peoples -Islamist or non- are in real power of designing the rules of their communities. In this process Middle East or Islam needs strong criticism, but not exlusion.

By: authentic Fri, 06 Apr 2012 02:15:24 +0000 The naive Left in the West could only envision a secular government emerging in the various Muslim countries that underwent the so called Arab Spring. Now reality is rearing its ugly head and the Undemocratic but West leaning governments will eventually be replaced by Hard Line Islamist governments who despise the West and all it stands for.