Comments on: Obama’s overdue reckoning on secrecy http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/06/07/obamas-overdue-reckoning-on-secrecry/ Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:37:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: AZreb http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/06/07/obamas-overdue-reckoning-on-secrecry/#comment-2860 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:19:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2016#comment-2860 “….uphold the Constitution….” – really? Obama appears to believe, as Bush did, that the Constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper and is intent on burning that paper as quickly as possible.

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By: paintcan http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/06/07/obamas-overdue-reckoning-on-secrecry/#comment-2856 Sun, 09 Jun 2013 12:37:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2016#comment-2856 “of” very questionable integrity.

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By: paintcan http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/06/07/obamas-overdue-reckoning-on-secrecry/#comment-2855 Sun, 09 Jun 2013 12:22:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2016#comment-2855 @Mathewslyman – Your last link to the book about Security Engineering will take some time to get through.

But I can’t help thinking while starting to read it that the government and the NSA may have lost their minds.

They are overwhelmed with the repercussions of murderous wars or very questionable integrity just as their own integrity may be a distant memory. The constant threat of physical attack on it’s own populations and the nightmarish experiences here and abroad during the last ten years can never be ignored. They are flooded with special interest money with a variety of different and conflicting aims, their decision making processes, that have no resemblance to the much slower social environment and decision making processes of the 18th century when the Constitution was written, and the vastly different social and moral landscape of the early 21st century may have completely undone heir ability to think rationally at all? The speed with which they must review far more information could also be working to undermine their ability to thoroughly understand any of it properly and they are being pushed by events and “data” more than they can ever master any it.

I have long thought that even the stuff I read on the net is so voluminous and so difficult to verify, that as an attempt to make it resemble the library of physical books I have been collecting since I was in High School, I save all the articles I read (but hardly ever look back at them) as a kind of diary that I hope makes what I have learned from it somehow – more “real”. I always feel a little strange and obsessive doing that but it takes very little time. I was new to the internet and didn’t know how to search, and also knew that sites can be very short lived on the Net. I crop them and shrink them and store them in an archive, and I hope it preserves them like books preserve written words that can’t be altered the way computer texts can be easily altered. After all, what good would history texts be if they could be written every week to reflect the author’s changing thoughts or moods or even the desire of those described for a more flattering or biased account? The Internet is, in many ways, a digital hallucination.

The people who work for the NSA may be paranoid, even delusional, very greedy, very competitive and aggressive, have terrible consciences, and are eager to keep their jobs in a “high speed exciting world of high technology and state of the art surveillance” or in other words, James Bond on steroids and mood stabilizers.

To put it bluntly: the Congress and the President and maybe even the Supreme Court – (but, I think they still have the more controlled and leisurely pace to work at) – could all be going clinically INSANE.

There is an old expression from ancient Greece. “Whom the Gods would destroy they first make mad”.

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By: LDRider http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/06/07/obamas-overdue-reckoning-on-secrecry/#comment-2854 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 23:52:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2016#comment-2854 We have this vast security apparatus to protect us by sucking up all manner of information, yet couldn’t identify the Boston bombers, even when we *had* advanced warnings. That’s comforting.

This from the people who run Amtrak.

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By: Berndh http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/06/07/obamas-overdue-reckoning-on-secrecry/#comment-2853 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 23:44:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2016#comment-2853 This is a question of trust.

Do we trust our Federal government to have our best interests at heart?

If the only issue was the NSA collecting phone call and Internet traffic records on people in the name of preventing terrorists attacks that would be one thing.

But the very same government that is collecting all of these records on us citizens is also:

1) Spying on reporters
2) Indicting a reporter of a news organization (Fox News) that is not known to be a supplicant of the administration
3) Having the IRS discriminate against tax exempt organizations whose views are at odds with those of the party in power.

I am perfectly willing to let a government that I trust monitor my phone calls and my emails to make sure that I not a terrorist. I am not willing to let a government that has engaged in discriminatory and disparate behavior against opposition political parties have these powers.

So the IRS and AP scandals make me less willing to trust the government to keep me safe. This is not a good thing and it needs to be fixed.

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By: ddfox http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/06/07/obamas-overdue-reckoning-on-secrecry/#comment-2852 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 23:19:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2016#comment-2852 Who is the biggest liar in the Obama White House? So many choices.

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By: Mickelenische http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/06/07/obamas-overdue-reckoning-on-secrecry/#comment-2851 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 20:04:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2016#comment-2851 The government should never have access to everyones’ phone records! After the recent revelation of the IRS scandal – even if you believe the bogus claim by Obama that it was just done by “low-level employees” – it is clear that the government illegally uses private records for political purposes. You can easily see some “low-level” NSA employees searching your records – or a political candidate’s records – and finding out who has placed called to an abortion clinic number, to a psychiatrist, or TO A TEA PARTY NUMBER. And of course with the precedent of Filegate, where Hillary illegally ordered and received 941 confidential FBI files on political opponents in 1994, you can imagine that non-“low level” employees can use these records – once the data is in the Feds hands – for political extortion, smearing, and repression.

Now we need to also know if some “low level employee” at the NSA was compiling lists of who was calling Tea Party phone numbers – from the vast telephone calling records the government now has obtained. Has a “low-level employee” cross-referenced calls from politically targeted politicians or Tea Party organizers to their psychiatrists, abortion clinics, or sex chat lines? Where does this government intrusion into all our records end? This is craziness – even if one believes the baloney that this was just “low-level employees” not following rules – that could happen to the phone records also and the data could be used to extort or squelch people based on political motives. I could easily see a “low level employee” telling a potential candidate “you run and I’ll expose your calls to your mistress and the abortion clinic”.

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By: TPAINE3 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/06/07/obamas-overdue-reckoning-on-secrecry/#comment-2850 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 19:16:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2016#comment-2850 Obama said it himself. Allowing the federal government the opportunity to “mine data” to this extent requires TRUST.
So, given the use of the IRS, ATF, FBI, EPA and OSHA, WHY SHOULD WE TRUST THIS ADMINISTRATION TO DO THE RIGHT THING?

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By: subframer1 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/06/07/obamas-overdue-reckoning-on-secrecry/#comment-2849 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 18:53:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2016#comment-2849 this delusionally narcissistic windbag is wearing thin on an intelligent observer. he constantly contradicts his own prior statements, but in this deluded mind of a narcissist, none of that represents a conflict with evident truth. only fawning acolytes and the great unwashed continue to support this annoying windbag. for the rest of us, the constant lying, the insular paranoia, the dictatorial arrogance. enough……

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By: tcmuench http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/06/07/obamas-overdue-reckoning-on-secrecry/#comment-2848 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 16:31:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2016#comment-2848 Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairwoman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Committee, asserted that the government needed the information to catch those who “might become” a “terrorist”. Sound like McCathyism 2.0

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