Comments on: The sanity caucus http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/10/17/cheat-sheet-for-the-gop-civil-war/ Fri, 31 Jul 2015 03:37:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Decatur http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/10/17/cheat-sheet-for-the-gop-civil-war/#comment-3325 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:56:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2691#comment-3325 Marxism (according to Groucho and Chico) offers the possible solution of requiring a “Sanity Clause” for public office.

spoiler alert

oh wait – ‘everyone knows there ain’t no sanity clause’..

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By: rikfre http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/10/17/cheat-sheet-for-the-gop-civil-war/#comment-3324 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:45:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2691#comment-3324 partisan politics supersede the common good…

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By: tmc http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/10/17/cheat-sheet-for-the-gop-civil-war/#comment-3323 Tue, 22 Oct 2013 17:36:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2691#comment-3323 @OOTS, flashrooster, MoBioph, thanks for a great debate! @Decatur, great post too.

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By: 54100 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/10/17/cheat-sheet-for-the-gop-civil-war/#comment-3322 Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:03:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2691#comment-3322 We spend $3.1 trillion per year and take in about $2.1 trillion. To balance this with taxes only, each taxpayer would need to pay an additional $8,000 per year.

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By: Decatur http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/10/17/cheat-sheet-for-the-gop-civil-war/#comment-3321 Tue, 22 Oct 2013 00:19:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2691#comment-3321 The ‘my party right or wrong’ rhetoric doesn’t help reach any consensus. I’ll admit I’ve said some anti-tea party things due to my extreme ire at the pointless waste of money in 2 shutdowns 2011-2013.

Spending IS down with deficits that were a few years ago over 1 $ Trillion now falling under 1/2 $ Trillion and trending down more. Still a lot of money – but the fact is that Obama (with overall cuts as well as the sequester) is cutting spending faster than anyone since Eisenhower. Ike also used taxes as a tool to reach a balanced budget and taxes then were double today’s rates, but the thought of any tax increase at all puts negotiation on the skids. Back then infrastructure projects were also a regular response to unemployment that paid dividends long after jobs improved. If you remember Ross Perot made an issue of the deficit and debt, and lots of Americans listened and were willing to pay a little 25 years ago to help balance the books. That spirit is nowhere to be found now.

The biggest cost increase I deal as an ‘enough, already’ issue is workplace health insurance – family coverage going up 5-10% over last 10 years, premium cost is now double what I paid with the same kids in 2003, and co-pays are higher too (please tell me how ACA drove up my rates in 2003-2009, or why my doctor friends hated insurance paperwork even back then). My worst bureaucratic experiences are from insurance companies, not government: taking 2 kids to dentist same day and fighting ‘double billing’ accusation from insurer, or similar wastes of my time and dentist or doctor time almost every year. ACA/Obamacare can’t be any worse! And for the good already it adds coverage for my growing kids off to college and removes pre-existing condition concerns if anything happens and me or spouse get sick or change jobs. I’m willing to give ACA a chance rather than make it the rallying cry for a suicide charge to wreck the economy before ACA even takes effect.

One man’s bloated government is another man’s idea of investing in the future. One man’s “right-sizing” government is another man’s passing the global baton to China. US government funded science going back to the ’20s and ’30s helped win WW2, and in the 40s and 50s it built the tools for the space race, since then it mapped the genome and still advances technology bringing several dollars into our economy for each dollar spent here on research. Spending cuts have hit research and that WILL impact how US companies compete globally. I’d like to work toward a balanced budget, but don’t tell me that cuts are the only way to get there.

I disagree with the philosophy about taxes in tea party advertisements. The anti-tax ideas seem close to society’s move over the last generation away from caring about buying American-made goods instead of cheap imports, not thinking about the cost of losing jobs and skills. Now the same apparently selfish attitude applies to our government from Navy to NASA and NOAA to FEMA and CDC to VA. Do we want the best, or are we a bunch of cheapskates who want to cut other people’s programs, but keep your hands off mine?

I could agree with tea party that immigration out of control brings an untaxed, unlicensed cash labor pool, sometimes mistreated and exploited, and encourages greedy employers, even homeowners hiring street corner labor, to use that pool to dodge social security and other payroll taxes, thereby depressing wages and increasing costs for ‘law-abiding taxpayers’. If there was a fair way to make US immigration any closer to that of Australia we’d have a stronger economy.

If you believe ‘moochers’ do indeed use kids to get free stuff, as some have said, why take sex eduation out of schools, and make it harder to find contraceptives? But tea-party congressmen who love to cut programs like that include the guy from Idaho with 10 kids – all on government medical plans…

All the areas of possible common ground with Tea party about balancing the budget or strengthening jobs or long term immigration reform get lost in the damage of the shutdown and the level of all-or-nothing rhetoric.

There are more middle of the road Americans than burn-down-the-government extremists, so Cruz and others in his caucus should listen to McCain and start talking to their colleagues more, and playing less to the press. Work to a big picture consensus with all the players, and look at all the facts not just a few zingers picked out of context to get attention.

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By: RMoS http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/10/17/cheat-sheet-for-the-gop-civil-war/#comment-3319 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:15:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2691#comment-3319 Oh what the heck. Let’s just get rid of the Federal government entirely. We’ll have 50 different countries. (Or 51, if California splits into two.)

There really is no need for the *United* states of America. None at all.

So let’s just abolish the USA. Who’s with me? :>

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By: HamsterHerder http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/10/17/cheat-sheet-for-the-gop-civil-war/#comment-3318 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:06:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2691#comment-3318 It was not my intent to include a functional URL in the previous post. I have reported the post to the admin as abuse.

My apologies to Reuters and those reading the post.

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By: HamsterHerder http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/10/17/cheat-sheet-for-the-gop-civil-war/#comment-3317 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:31:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2691#comment-3317 There’s only one conclusion to be reached:

Based on the amount of hand-wringing by Rooters Prize Winning Editorial Staff and Ye Loyale Bande of Statist Zomb… er… Sleepwalkers posting here (yo Flash whaaatuuuup)…

The Tea Party must be a statist’s worst nightmare.

I can’t come to www.rooters.com to get real news without being forced watch the statist leftists and the statist rightists chasing their logical tails – whimpering and yapping like puppies denied their chew toy.

Come on peeps! Its been going on for days now! Around and around and around. Same circular arguments, ad infinitum, over and over and over.

Do you clowns (dang that word again – unavoidable here in Rooters World) think that Pontificating Statists are going to arbitrarily force those dastardly and vicious Republican Radicals to move to “The Center”?

And oh they are vicious, aren’t they? They believe in stupid stuff. Like the UNALIENABLE rights of the not-yet-born and the restatement of Constitutional controls on the state before it spends us all into oblivion. Things like protecting the borders, and ensuring the integrity of the vote.

Yup, the Stupid Stuff.

And dare I say it, especially at Halloween?….

The RIGHTSIZING of the Federal Government!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKK!!

Oh yes, the so-called Tea Party is such a threat that connivances must be undertaken to silence it’s voice, to shut it out, to make it go away at any cost.

Yup that Tea Party is just a bunch wackjobs. It’s why we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away we must make them go away

Well, carry on!

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By: flashrooster http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/10/17/cheat-sheet-for-the-gop-civil-war/#comment-3315 Sun, 20 Oct 2013 23:49:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2691#comment-3315 OneOfTheSheep: I just read this op-ed that discusses an important aspect of the point I was trying to make in my posts on this thread. You might find it of interest. This is a problem that can be improved upon: http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/20 13/10/16/are-there-still-millionaires-ne xt-door/

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By: Samrch http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/2013/10/17/cheat-sheet-for-the-gop-civil-war/#comment-3314 Sun, 20 Oct 2013 23:47:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/?p=2691#comment-3314 There will always be undemocratic elements who will want to shut the government a goal (anarchists and libertarians) or as to a part of revolution (Maoist, Nazis). And there will be lobbyist buy few volts and have rules that allow them to rule.

What is needed is enforcement of existing rules like sections 4 and 5 of the 14th Amendment and new rules and customs to to take away the power minorities and lobbyists in congress to wag the dog. Hidden rules do not help. If the press does not say things are unlawful loud and clear money will talk.

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