Comments on: How conspiracy theorists want to steer us towards the cliff http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/2012/12/06/how-conspiracy-theorists-want-to-steer-us-towards-the-cliff/ A clear-eyed view from Zachary Karabell Thu, 06 Feb 2014 10:10:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Robertla http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/2012/12/06/how-conspiracy-theorists-want-to-steer-us-towards-the-cliff/#comment-58 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:03:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/?p=24#comment-58 so…………

in 2011, on this planet 135 million people were born and 57 million people died…..net increase of 78 million, according to Wikipedia.

supply and demand, ……..by the time those 78 million people grow up, labor will be worth less, and food will cost more.

we are enamored of businesses that replace jobs with technology……..even, jobs that require expensive educations.

we are enamored with finance, and borrowing………..even to the point, where the Fed will create inflation, just to keep over-leveraged assets, from crashing in value………

……..why do you need a ‘conspiracy’ ?……traditional incompetence will work fine.

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By: jerico911 http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/2012/12/06/how-conspiracy-theorists-want-to-steer-us-towards-the-cliff/#comment-57 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:01:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/?p=24#comment-57 Nice article Zack. Now you can stick your head back in the sand since you have explained so convincingly the link between extremists and there unsupported gaga, and the serious concerns of millions of Americans about a very real impending economic implosion.

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By: iAussie http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/2012/12/06/how-conspiracy-theorists-want-to-steer-us-towards-the-cliff/#comment-56 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 02:43:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/?p=24#comment-56 Just because it’s called a conspiracy doesn’t mean it didn’t or wont happen. JFK, Marilyn, Diana, the moon landing, aliens.. etc. Disinformation is a wonderful tool that is used in wars. If you tell someone a bigger lie, they are more likely to believe it. Fear is great, it makes people go out and spend more money. IMHO, i think that we have come to a point in the world where the majority (middle and low classes) are fed up being ripped off, and we all WISH the system would crash so we can start again. Problem is that if everyone is thinking like that, we will probably usher it in. Much like the religious extremists or radicals who can’t wait for judgement day, just so they can say.. we told you so. You know? My psyche tells me 95% of things I worry about will never happen, and the 5% that does is out of my control anyhow, so stop worrying. So i ask my grandad, who is in his 90’s now, hey grandad, is it just me or do you think the world is heading down into the abyss? He looked at me, smiled and laughed a little and said, it’s always been like that and always will be. Being the eternal optimist i am, thanks to the years of therapy i have undergone for being a total worrier most of my life and totally a stress freak, i usually ignore the warnings and enable the thinking.. don’t worry, be happy. Will there be an almighty crash? maybe. Will a comet slam into the planet? maybe. Will there be a war to end all wars? maybe. The key is to stop worrying, because sometimes the amount of time worrying over something can often be worse then the event itself. Man has always messed with each other and the world and i don’t think that is going to change. So yes be prepared for any kind of disaster. I mean after all it could be a natural disaster that annihilates the planet.. something simple like a massive volcano or tech-tonic plate shift, so my advise to everyone is always have an emergency plan you go through with your family and keep a grab-and-go bag handy with survival tools, passport, USD/Gold, food, etc and be prepared to go bush for at least 3 months to 1 year. Go camping with your family often and learn about what tools you are missing. A volcano big enough could send the world into darkness. Be prepared for anything, but not alarmed i say. It does say in the bible the meek shall inherit the earth. It also says the kings of the east shall arise and hold the world to ransom. You should be prepared for any disaster in the world. When you are prepared you sleep better at night. I am a thousand miles from the nearest city, high up in the hills 1 mile above sea level, off-the-grid and have enough food and survival gear to last a year. I see a dynamic planet that changes and is going through changes, weather etc. That is what i would be concerned about the most, nature itself, the planet and it’s powerful elements. Peace.

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By: usagadfly http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/2012/12/06/how-conspiracy-theorists-want-to-steer-us-towards-the-cliff/#comment-55 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 01:00:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/?p=24#comment-55 Note: neither Democrats nor Republicans is even considering slashing military spending in any proposed “compromise”. If we do not go over the cliff, no wars will end, no huge Pentagon projects will halt, invasion planning, invasions we are planning to commit, not defend from, will continue. No bases will be cut. The only way any of these things will happen id involuntarily.

Note: neither side is seriously talking about increasing the tax burden of the richest 2% of our residents in a fashion which cannot be easily dodged. A tax that is easy to avoid is not a “tax increase”. The wealthy will not pay more taxes unless we go over the “cliff”. All we will get is political theater, well funded, as usual, by the wealthy at tax-deductible rates.

Note: neither side is talking about avoiding “entitlement” reform other than entitlements responsible for the well being, and the tax bills, of the lower 98% of the population. No other entitlements are on the block — stocks, bonds, real estate, other “property” held by virtue of an “entitlement” from the US Government.

There is no rational alternative to going over the cliff for the 98% of Americans in the lower economic segment, with an exception for those in the military or military industries. The costs will not be spread in proportion to the benefits received from the Government.

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By: Gordon2352 http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/2012/12/06/how-conspiracy-theorists-want-to-steer-us-towards-the-cliff/#comment-54 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 16:51:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/?p=24#comment-54 @ BidnisMan —

You state “Lets imagine it. The absolute worst. The US government and financial system implodes overnight. Next morning the Sun will rise again and people will find away to transact, trade and to work. The country would go backwards a bit, but like Germany after the War, it will rebound within two or three, decades to being even better. However, if you are part of the 1% you will lose everything with no chance of regaining it. Part of me actually WANTS it to crash despite knowing I will personally suffer. Call it schadenfreude if you must, or a longing to go back to basics.

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Your version of history is a bit skewed from mine.

The “absolute worst” is NOT what you describe, but the fact that the German government collapsed, thus allowing Adolph Hitler to gain power — which he would not have had the opportunity to do with an intact German government after WWI.

This was caused ENTIRELY by the wealthy classes who insisted Germany be blamed 100% for WWI, and thus must bear the total cost of the war in the Treaty of Versailles. This caught Germany by complete surprise, since they had not been notified of this change ahead of the scheduled signing. However, Germany had no choice but to sign the treaty.

The REAL reason was NOT that Germany had caused WWI, but that the wealthy classes had pursued the war — financed by the wealthy class in the US — far longer than anyone thought possible.

Thus, when it was over, the bill for the war was astronomical and no single government could afford to pay their war debt, so they all decided to stick Germany with the bill.

Then they proceeded to force Germany to pay the bill, which is what caused the German government to collapse, and the German people to react against the wealthy by electing Adolph Hitler.

The point is, when you assume (as you did) nothing bad will really happen, it often turns out the the worst is what actually happens.

IF we pursue the same line of reasoning now — forcing ordinary people to pay for what the wealthy have done, which is already happening in Europe, and will begin in the US in 2013 — we could be setting ourselves up for economic collapse and war.

History does NOT support your thesis.

In this case “going back to the basics” may be a whole lot worse than you think.

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By: Laster http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/2012/12/06/how-conspiracy-theorists-want-to-steer-us-towards-the-cliff/#comment-53 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 16:04:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/?p=24#comment-53 Everything seems fine here.

I think there may be a planet, out there, somewhere, with your name on it.

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By: VoveoPacis http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/2012/12/06/how-conspiracy-theorists-want-to-steer-us-towards-the-cliff/#comment-52 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 15:44:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/?p=24#comment-52 WOW, this is great stuff! No one has yet mentioned the chaos that will develop once the Fed can no longer artificially hold interest rates down and rates jump up along with inflation and the government is paying half a trillion dollars a month in interest on the national debt and China and Russia and Japan are demanding semiannual multi-trillion dollar interest payments on the trillions of dollars in U.S. Treasury debt that they own. Like Germany in the early thirties, stores will be raising prices hourly to keep up with inflation and workers will be getting paid daily and running to stores to buy food before the next price increase. I need a new pair of running shoes. This is going to be fun!

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By: vinanymous http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/2012/12/06/how-conspiracy-theorists-want-to-steer-us-towards-the-cliff/#comment-50 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 02:56:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/?p=24#comment-50 Hi, there. Nice try. Conspiracy what? Theory ? How about some Reuter’s WTC7 collapse prediction in 9/11/2001. Was that fact or theory?

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By: REMant http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/2012/12/06/how-conspiracy-theorists-want-to-steer-us-towards-the-cliff/#comment-49 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 01:56:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/?p=24#comment-49 This is so completely wrong-headed and factually incorrect that there’s no point in even pointing out that Hofstadter was also an idiot.

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By: trevorh http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/2012/12/06/how-conspiracy-theorists-want-to-steer-us-towards-the-cliff/#comment-48 Fri, 07 Dec 2012 20:10:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edgy-optimist/?p=24#comment-48 I don’t think it is fair to say that the vigilantes are the conspiracy theorists and that they are using the opportunity to make money.

The vigilantes simply see the facts together with their reasoning and analytical ability, they think! And they sound the warning. In many cases, we have to scream out the warning because people ignore us and call us crazy.

Many of the vigilantes are not the vultures as this article tries to make out. We don’t do it because we gain money out of it. I for one, even put much of my retirement money into betting AGAINST a doomsday scenario!

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