Comments on: Prosperity need not kill religion http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/04/25/prosperity-need-not-kill-religion/ Wed, 07 Oct 2015 17:23:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Alistair2 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/04/25/prosperity-need-not-kill-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-507 Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:07:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=225#comment-507 Oneofthesheep,

G-d created us with free will and gave us a mission. His apparent anger is to encourage us to fulfil that mission. He kills people all the time eg. old age. The Bible also mentions he kills people who He sees as detrimental to his masterplan.

We have missions as individuals and as part of the wider world. Our free will has led to enormous amounts of pain and suffering. The alternative is to remove or alter our free will, so we are no longer human in the sense we are now.

I’m trying to show that it’s possible to believe in a merciful G-d with all the pain and suffering that exist in the world today. The best I can do is to cite examples of those who have suffered and retained their faith. See
http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/The -Home-Forum/2008/1201/p17s01-hfgn.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story  /2012-01-26/Israel-Holocaust-survivors/ 52806148/1

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/04/25/prosperity-need-not-kill-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-506 Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:10:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=225#comment-506 @Alistair2,

You refer to “…G-d’s existence and control over the world.”

There is no proper authority without equal and concurrent responsibility. If man’s “design and construction” be such that over thousands of years his “free will” is predominately and persistently used in a manner contrary to right and justice, is this not indisputable evidence of a rather fundamental and undesirable flaw?

Even us knuckle-dragging humans are smart enough to correct mistakes only evident in hindsight sooner or later. If HE get credit for all that is good in the world, HE must also accept responsibility for all that is bad and improvement of any lack of “balance” logically his to fix.

Man cannot properly be blamed for the “status quo” until such time as he understands he, and he alone, must step up to the plate and change his own destiny for the better. Unfortunately man seems no more willing to accept responsibility for his own destiny, individually or collectively, than his legendary creator.

Somehow that is perversely almost logical.

At best we might be a living soap opera for G-d’s entertainment. The bible shows he gets pissed when his ego isn’t stroked often and just so, and sometimes just because Satan pulls his chain.

Such power combined with such pettiness is so unpredictable as to be genuinely dangerous to any and all in close proximity (anywhere, any place). Sleep tight!

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By: notnews http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/04/25/prosperity-need-not-kill-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-505 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 19:42:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=225#comment-505 Won’t religion evolve as it has in the past to accomodate the new realities of everyday life or rebel against them with fundamentalism? We have seen the rise of the Prosperity Gospel tying piety to wealth. As an athiest how do I fulfill a need for purpose and community? It seems that humans have a need for this spiritual placement. Shouldn’t we find out why and how it can be served outside the confines of religious dogma?

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By: tcolgan001 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/04/25/prosperity-need-not-kill-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-504 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:15:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=225#comment-504 In the past religion worked hand-in-hand with tribalism (or racism, in the more recent form) to unite the community and consolidate it in opposition to enemy communities. And yes, those forces can still be used for individual benefit in the modern world. The question is – is that the world we want to sustain? Or do we wish to move in the direction of a more egalitarian world – sans religion?

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By: buffowens http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/04/25/prosperity-need-not-kill-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-503 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:14:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=225#comment-503 All value comes from God. There is no prosperity without Him.

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By: FrontalLobe http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/04/25/prosperity-need-not-kill-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-502 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:08:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=225#comment-502 Not even a ghost of a point towards why religion should indeed remain in a world that is clearly progressing in elevating the living standards of our 7 billion inhabitants – apart from your morose doubts of mankind’s ability to prolong our cordial solidarity in the absence of religion. The atheists of the world shall surely enjoy this moment of obvious insecurity and irony, where the historically inflexible theists, would like everyone to know ‘we still have something to offer!’. I for one appreciate the tone of surrender, and am happy to restate your own fact that prosperity has indeed occurred simultaneously with the decline of religion and ascent of secularism. Let’s continue to put the antiquated incompatibilities of religion behind us, and let societies evolve new, modern means to bolster our solidarity – which might even draw on the fruits of religions, but not religious dogma. I for one have faith in mankind to do so in the absence of classical religion.

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By: tmc http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/04/25/prosperity-need-not-kill-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-499 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:34:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=225#comment-499 Though I am not a follower of any mainstream religion, I encourage most others to follow one. It provides morality to the masses. I think if I were to follow a book, it would be the Jeffersonian bible. So I guess I agree with the author in some way.

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By: Alistair2 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/04/25/prosperity-need-not-kill-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-498 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:18:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=225#comment-498 Greed and selfishness kill prosperity.

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By: thebeorn http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/04/25/prosperity-need-not-kill-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-497 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:16:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=225#comment-497 Alistair2, well said!! I never understand the Dawkins perspective that because we can understand some of Gods work ie evolution, physics etc that we don’t need God anymore and that God is a quaint anachronism valuable to luddites and others who reject the modern world. As a Genetics/computational biologist; I see all the new information about our world as conformation of Gods reality. From such simplicity amazing beauty and complexity!!! Sadly many fundamental religions buy into the opposite view expressed by oneofthesheep and have decided that science and its answers are wrong and to be avoided hence the nonsense around creationism etc…

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By: moxsee http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/04/25/prosperity-need-not-kill-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-494 Thu, 26 Apr 2012 12:35:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=225#comment-494 Religion kills prosperity.

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