Comments on: Tame the persistent elites http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/08/08/tame-the-persistent-elites/ Wed, 07 Oct 2015 17:23:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: CtzCain http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/08/08/tame-the-persistent-elites/comment-page-1/#comment-790 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:16:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=289#comment-790 @Gordon2352
French result – Napoleon – 20 years of war and destabilization of continental Europe through the 19th century.
Russian result – Stalin – 5-year plans, pogroms, estimated 20-30million non-war related deaths.

Results from elitism: Einstein, Voltaire, Newton, post-WWII growth, 600M people raised out of poverty in 20 years (China growth), Computers, and that fancy writing style you seem to enjoy based on unprecedented availability of education, electricity, and resources.

Hope you enjoy that warm meal you have and remember all those people who worked hard for you to get it, to include the brilliant inventors who are part of the elite class.

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By: mrpr http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/08/08/tame-the-persistent-elites/comment-page-1/#comment-789 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:31:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=289#comment-789 the fight to redistribute the wealth in a more equitable fashion is not something that has come up in the last hundred or the last thousand years. it is an issue as old as earth itself – survival of the fittest.
any fair system in my opinion should provide the following – a uniform eduaction to the entire society and equality of opportunity. beyond that it all depends on hard work and skill.
this hatred of the top 1% seems to be very irrational. if people put in effort and time to achieve their goals why should it be looked down upon?

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By: TheUSofA http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/08/08/tame-the-persistent-elites/comment-page-1/#comment-788 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:37:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=289#comment-788 “To date, capitalism is better than anything else that has come along. Inevitably, a successful capitalist will gain wealth.”

Capitalism has also shown its destructive side and vast inequity (globally).

Unfettered capitalism has shown itself to be morally depraved. Simply doubling down on it and treating it as an ideological absolute instead of questioning and adjusting is irresponsible to say the least. Unsustainable.

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By: TheUSofA http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/08/08/tame-the-persistent-elites/comment-page-1/#comment-787 Fri, 10 Aug 2012 03:33:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=289#comment-787 @TobyONottoby

That piece has to do with population growth/control.

If anything, that piece somewhat supports what Gordon2352 was stating:

“With increased global transparency and participation, former traditional and anachronistic forms of elitism will fall to the wayside while a better informed and talented population will create alternatives that provide a greater benefit to humanity other than @nosolution’s version of an elitist, supreme self serving paycheck.”

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By: stevedebi http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/08/08/tame-the-persistent-elites/comment-page-1/#comment-785 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:45:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=289#comment-785 I would be interested to know exactly what political / social system the author thinks would provide the “just” world he seems to want. I suspect that he has no coherent theory, but just wants those with wealth to be poor. In other words, class envy.

To date, capitalism is better than anything else that has come along. Inevitably, a successful capitalist will gain wealth.

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By: xcanada2 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/08/08/tame-the-persistent-elites/comment-page-1/#comment-784 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:45:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=289#comment-784 Regarding high pay for financial innovators:

Physics is a difficult discipline to master, in general requiring many years of arduous university training. The chief motivation is curiosity, a desire to understand how the universe works, and often to contribute to human knowledge. A physicist can expect to make a good living, but nothing that would qualify him for the financial elite.

Some physicists have been corrupted from their high ideals of curiosity driven research and contributions to human understanding, and have applied their methods in the mundane financial business of making money and playing the markets. The financial industry managed to divert the physicists to their largely corrupt ways, seeking ever greater ways to remove the wealth of the nations to the hands of the few. How sad, a waste of human potential, and a destructive force within the world. I can see why such physicists would need to trade huge sums of money for the corruption of their youthful ideals.

In their defense, of course, many people are corrupted into largely unproductive enterprises such as junk food and junk medicine, false advertising, propaganda, spying on your neighbors, financial manipulations, and war making. It is hard to avoid, particularly in the US.

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By: Butch_from_PA http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/08/08/tame-the-persistent-elites/comment-page-1/#comment-781 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 17:15:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=289#comment-781 Most of the Irish sent to found Australia were Irish dissidents who disagreed with English monarchy rule.

Wonder if the percentage of population in our jail system correlates to the elitist factors. Are they really criminals then – or just loosing the battle with our unfair judicial system.

If you look in their closet or review their morale compass – most any elitist would be in jail without the protection of our judicial system.

Our judicial system is the mostly highly protected area of the elites, however it does have Achilles Heels.

A concentrated focus on our judicial system would provide the biggest return on energy for making this a better place to live.

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By: gordo53 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/08/08/tame-the-persistent-elites/comment-page-1/#comment-780 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:56:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=289#comment-780 For those of you worried about the rich getting richer, fear not. We are nearing the end of the world wide sovereign debt bubble. When the bubble breaks we will experience the greatest destruction of personal wealth in history. The only elitists left will be the political class and we will likely target them as responsible for the crisis. Who knows what will emerge from the ashes, but for a time we will all be poor bastards.

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By: sarkozyrocks http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/08/08/tame-the-persistent-elites/comment-page-1/#comment-779 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:39:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=289#comment-779 …so Edward…should we pull down / “tame” all who succeed? Tall poppy-cutting? When a poor man succeeds, we need to “tame” him? Human performance (academic, athletic, etc…) follows a bell curve. Your solution is that we tame the gifted jerks and make sure their offspring are brought back down to the ground floor… We put a weight belt on Michael Phelps future son?…the damn gifted guy?? I don’t know where you’re from Edward Hadas, but I hope it isn’t the United States…and if it is, what a dark day it is for our country to have produced someone with your opinion.

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By: Ian_Kemmish http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/2012/08/08/tame-the-persistent-elites/comment-page-1/#comment-778 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:05:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/edward-hadas/?p=289#comment-778 That’s funny, I always assumed that the author of All Things Bright and Beautiful was merely referring to the well-known parable of Dives and Lazarus, and not a political statement!

Elites are inevitable. Tax industrialists to subsidise farmers and the farmers become the new elite. Kill the Kulaks and the people who killed them become the new elite. Anyone in receipt of a subsidy always wields excessive political power (else they’d not have got the subsidy in the first place) and always thinks they need more, so any attempt to level the playing field by non-violent means just makes things worse than they were to begin with.

And by forcceful means? Read the classic science-fiction short story “Harrison Bergeron” and ask yourself if you’d like to live in such a world.

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