Comments on: Why we don’t call them “Muslim riots” in Paris suburbs Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 By: bhmike17 Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:06:29 +0000 Interesting blog. I think some better investigating could be done. Not just talking to leaders of muslims. Put someone undercover and do some real investigating.

You know. When I lived in Spain I got in an agrugement with a student about how Amercia is so racist. This was shortly after citizens of Madrid burned out an entire city block of Gypsies because the were “drug runners”.

Why don’t you do a story on how racist Europe is? We sure have a lot of stories of how America is. How many people of color are politicians in Europe. How many are department heads of universities? Then you can explain why Europe is always held up as a tolerant society. America has bad schools? You’re lucky if you get to go to school if you’re not middle class in Spain.

Afgan officals are corrupt but French aren’t? Do us a favor and do some real meaningful reporting.

By: Yaakov Watkins Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:03:24 +0000 When people talk about a Muslim neighborhood, or a Christian neighborhood, they are talking about an ethnic grouping, not some sort of religious test.

Some atheists celebrate Passover. Others celebrate Christmas and others celebrate Ramadan. Still others have Hindu shrines in their homes. When people refer to Muslims they include the atheists who celebrate Ramadan and have relatives who keep Halal. They refer to people who come from (or whose ancestors come from) places where Islam is the predominant religion and where Arabic was one of the predominant languages when their predecessors’s emigrated. Okay?

Your third question was particularly objectionable. “What essential information do you provide if you stick a label on these rioters that you cannot prove?” You are watching a riot. You couldn’t prove anything the next morning. Why did you ask this question?

One reason I don’t trust Reuters on this subject is that the same reason I don’t trust most of the press. Over 90 percent of US reporters polled voted for Gore in an election that went 50-50. Reporters are not representative of the populace, and their prejudices must be controlled for.

Another is problems like the great Photo-shopping problem with pictures from Lebanon. The Jenin fraud. Another is the accuracy problems with stories from Iraq where curiously all the stories discovered to be false are slanted in one direction. Another is the persistent failure of Reuters to label Palestinian actions as violations of the Geneva Conventions. These issues add up to a perceived pro Moslem slant.

Now maybe you will answer the questions.

By: Tom Heneghan Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:00:03 +0000 Well spotted, Jason! No, no pun intended, though I can see (with hindsight) how you might read it that way. I ended with that question because many emails we get accusing us of having a hidden agenda seem to be pushing a hidden agenda themselves.

It’s interesting that none of those readers who strongly criticised us in emails for not writing “Muslim riots” has come out publicly here with a convincing argument for using the religious tag. I wonder why. As Amir wrote, “mmm… We must investigate.”

Amir rightly noted that this unrest doesn’t happen in “French suburbs.” I assume he means “mostly white” suburbs. But the residents of the poor suburbs are mostly French citizens, too, so the simple “French versus immigrants” tags are tricky, too. Your point about who benefits from the system and who doesn’t is very pertinent as well. These are factors in the feeling of discrimination that people in these “hot” neighbourhoods complain about.

There is an interesting phenomenon in the landscape of French social unrest that also challenges the view that these should be called “Muslim riots.” If you ask which city in France has the most Muslims, most French will say Marseille. Since there are no official religious or ethnic statistics here, it’s hard to say for sure. But it is certainly a city with a large population of immmigrant background, many of them from majority Muslim countries.

So why, during the riots of 2005 that spread across the country, was Marseille relatively quiet? Why didn’t poor Muslims there riot out of control like their co-religionists in the northern Paris ‘burbs? One important element that’s different down there is that the poor neighbourhoods are within the city, not parked out in the fields somewhere far from the centre where the jobs are. That means they’re less isolated from the rest of the city. City officials and neighbourhood leaders said at the time that the city’s geography apparently helped keep the temperatures lower there.

By: jason brown Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:55:49 +0000 … oh yes!

Forgot to ask the author: hidden agenda? Lies elsewhere? Is that a pun?

By: jason brown Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:54:10 +0000 Mmm, yes, very weird that there was “no rioting in ‘mostly’ French suburbs” even after a “couple of white boys lost their life.”

“Must investigate,” says Amir, tongue-in-cheek, presumably, as the first comment on this page.

Hmmmm. Question: Could it be that “French” suburbs are made up of people benefiting from a century or two of French colonialism? As opposed, for example, to those whose countries have been systematically ravished, e.g. non-white boys?

By: wendy Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:37:35 +0000 Unfortunately the media like to ‘tag’ a situation such as these riots, and by using religion or nationality blame can easily be apportioned to a certain group or groups. All there needs to be is one common denominator and, ‘voila!’, you have your cause.

By: wendy Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:47:43 +0000 What is a factor in all of this is the way these people are treated as second class citizens here in France. It seems the French were happy to go forth and colonize years ago but were less than pleased when those from those countries started arriving here in France to live.

By: Gerry Ur Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:58:49 +0000 “you even find poor Jews who moved to France from North Africa — some even still speak Arabic and live peacefully with their Muslim neighbours.” – Tell it to Ilan Halimi. europe/articles/2006/03/13/anti_semitism _seen_rising_among_frances_muslims/

By: Nachiket Kelkar Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:48:13 +0000 A rioter is a rioter is a rioter. Then how does it matter if he is a white or a black, or a muslim or a christian or a hindu or who ever?

I totally agree with Tom Heneghan’s comments.
The riots over the week may have happened in Muslim dominated areas, but clearly one can’t say that those areas are 100 percent muslim populated.

Also it was not the case of Muslims going on a rampage for their demands.
The riots are clear example of how precarious the situation is in Paris’ poor neighbourhoods.
It is a due to economic and social issues plaguing those areas and has got nothing to do with any particular religion.

By: amir Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:01:35 +0000 Keep closing your eye’s.

1. The boys how got killed was muslims, and thier death couse a series of riots in mostly muslim suburbs, during them rioters shoot policeman.

It is very likly to asume, saying the least, that the rioters are muslim too.

But maybe, as you saying, we need to think about it again. It is very wird that this kind of rioting never happend in mostly french suburbs, after couple of white boys lost thier life. mmm… We must investigate.