Comments on: Trying to figure out what Rowan Williams is saying http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/02/08/trying-to-figure-out-what-rowan-williams-is-saying/ Religion, faith and ethics Mon, 20 May 2013 00:19:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: reg watson http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/02/08/trying-to-figure-out-what-rowan-williams-is-saying/comment-page-1/#comment-1904 reg watson Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:10:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/02/08/trying-to-figure-out-what-rowan-williams-is-saying/#comment-1904 The ArchBishop is exactly what is causing the demise of traditional Britain and values. He is a major part of the problem. Perhaps more importantly he should ask, 'why are people NOT going to church anymore? Why are churches being closed throughout the country and Commonwealth countries?' The Church of England is finished and (as an Anglican) sadly, I say, the sooner the better! The ArchBishop is exactly what is causing the demise of traditional Britain and values. He is a major part of the problem. Perhaps more importantly he should ask, ‘why are people NOT going to church anymore? Why are churches being closed throughout the country and Commonwealth countries?’ The Church of England is finished and (as an Anglican) sadly, I say, the sooner the better!

]]> By: saint http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/02/08/trying-to-figure-out-what-rowan-williams-is-saying/comment-page-1/#comment-1867 saint Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:39:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/02/08/trying-to-figure-out-what-rowan-williams-is-saying/#comment-1867 And one more besides: given the <a href="http://dogfightatbankstown.typepad.com/blog/2008/02/archbishop-rowa.html" rel="nofollow">BBC</a> (updates 11, 18,19) is reporting today that the ABC is shocked at the reaction from within his own church (what? doesn't care that Hizb ut Tahrir thinks he's wonderful?), would he be advocating that they be punished for "thoughtless and cruel words" against him? And one more besides: given the BBC (updates 11, 18,19) is reporting today that the ABC is shocked at the reaction from within his own church (what? doesn’t care that Hizb ut Tahrir thinks he’s wonderful?), would he be advocating that they be punished for “thoughtless and cruel words” against him?

]]> By: saint http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/02/08/trying-to-figure-out-what-rowan-williams-is-saying/comment-page-1/#comment-1865 saint Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:22:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/02/08/trying-to-figure-out-what-rowan-williams-is-saying/#comment-1865 Some good questions there Tom. I'd also put one from <a href="http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2008/02/archbishop-of-canterbury-sharia-law-in.html" rel="nofollow">Archbishop Cranmer</a>: "Instead of proposing the introduction of Shari’a law to Britain, why did Dr Williams not speak out on behalf of Sayed Pervez Kambaksh, the 23-year-old Afghan student journalist sentenced to death for downloading ‘anti-Islamic’ material from the internet?" A couple based on comments from <a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019855.php" rel="nofollow">Robert Spencer</a> (who knows something about sharia): "Islamic law is a program for the governance of the state, and there is no easy sundering of that program from family and marriage law." How do you propose that be done when Muslims have been unable to do it already? History (as well as the experience of "liberal" Islamic states like Malaysia and Turkey) also tells us, as Spencer says, "it is certain that if Islamic law is instituted even in part in the UK, some Muslims will press for the rest to follow, including the institutionalized subjugation of non-Muslims." How do you propose to stop that without offending their religious consciences? At what point does appeasement and accommodation stop? Some good questions there Tom.

I’d also put one from Archbishop Cranmer:

“Instead of proposing the introduction of Shari’a law to Britain, why did Dr Williams not speak out on behalf of Sayed Pervez Kambaksh, the 23-year-old Afghan student journalist sentenced to death for downloading ‘anti-Islamic’ material from the internet?”

A couple based on comments from Robert Spencer (who knows something about sharia):

“Islamic law is a program for the governance of the state, and there is no easy sundering of that program from family and marriage law.”

How do you propose that be done when Muslims have been unable to do it already?

History (as well as the experience of “liberal” Islamic states like Malaysia and Turkey) also tells us, as Spencer says, “it is certain that if Islamic law is instituted even in part in the UK, some Muslims will press for the rest to follow, including the institutionalized subjugation of non-Muslims.” How do you propose to stop that without offending their religious consciences? At what point does appeasement and accommodation stop?

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