Comments on: How Dutch Muslim leader reacted to Wilders anti-Koran film http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Conscientious Observer http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/comment-page-1/#comment-2497 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:49:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/#comment-2497 Dear Kvn, I think your right on the mark there. Those verses in the Quran, 8:39 for example- “fight them on until there’s no more…” I wonder how many of these ‘so-called’ religous fanatics actually read the whole verse and understand it the way the author wanted it to be understood? Maybe one of the problems is that these persons (terrorists) are either not being given the whole information of the Quran, but just a selected part (from the Immans) – “fight them on until there’s no more..” and then through lack of education (or penchant for murder and mayhem), act on that verse – literally. Of course you are definately right about the Holy Bible also with some of it’s verses. It goes to show that it ‘all boils down’ to the individual’s interpretation of the Holy word and how they are ‘educated’ to interpret it. We can see from Mr Wildeers film that his interpretation of the Quran is as twisted as the murderous miscreants using it (the Quran) as an excuse to kill. (Or Wildeer’s also has a penchant for mayhem). And Neil – I think you have the right idea too, “I guess being a spiritualist is the best of all.”

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By: Kvn http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/comment-page-1/#comment-2492 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:38:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/#comment-2492 These verses have been in the Koran since 1400 years ago. Does Wilders actually believe he’s the first to be able to criticize it. There have been thousands of poems criticizing Islam since it first came to the Arabian peninsula. Obviously as time goes on society learns to accept new things and chastise some old ones. Suddenly anyone who marries a girl under “18” is a pedophile. Well what’s in Bible or Talmud that defines an appropriate marriage age? This was not a concern 1300 years ago when everyone was busy criticizing Prophet Muhammad PBUH about copying the bible and not being able to produce any “miracles” like Jesus did by walking on water.

If you take verses out of any book they can seem violent and senseless..Some of the verses in the Quran do have violence, but keep in mind this is a commandment during a time of violence against muslims.
Example: I’ve seen people refer to the verse
8:39: FIGHT THEM ON UNTIL THERE’S NO MORE…
That sounds pretty bad but that’s not the whole sentence, so one cannot simply rely on this…the entire verse is:
008.039 And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do.

And please…its only a matter of time before someone comes out with a video of all the violent verses in the Bible or the Old Testament…because you know there’s enough.

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By: Neil Madrano http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/comment-page-1/#comment-2460 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:23:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/#comment-2460 Well… when I saw “God Bless Hitler” clip in Fitna, I felt disgusted “what sickos!!!”. Such inhuman and morally degraded are “fanatics”. We have them in every religion.

Well, correct me if I am wrong. I think the Christian fanatics have killed more Muslims than the Muslim fanatics of Christian. So…. what kind of movie we can make out of that.

There are many muslims who are totally against the brutality of the muslim fanatics. But there are some who quietly feel good about all these things. So, the real problem the muslim religion is facing is not the outsiders or people of other religion but their own muslim followers who are not really muslim but so called muslim.

Many people are developing disinterest over religions because all of them have beautiful scriptures but horrible people (followers). They quote everything from the Quran, Bible, etc. but never bothered to embody them.
So there are many who go into “free thinker” kind of stuff. In fact many of the “free thinker”s are nicer than the so called “religious practitioner”s.

I guess being a spiritualist is the best of all.

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By: Mohamed http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/comment-page-1/#comment-2446 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:51:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/#comment-2446 This is simple insult and hate video clips.Many degraded individuals do such rubish work. As a Muslims I would love to have discussion with any one who is intrested to have one.

However, I don`t have time to waste with someone who simply want to insult me.It is an honor to react to such morally degraded person. Muslims have to learn and see how `civilized` world are and pray for their guidance.

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By: Neil Madrano http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/comment-page-1/#comment-2444 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:43:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/#comment-2444 Whatever it is, I hope the muslims deal with this issue with great tact and diplomacy. Let there no be aggression and violence whilst trying to put things right. I guess peach march and proper public information could of some help. Let the world see that the muslims are also peace lovers.

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By: A. Beverly http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/comment-page-1/#comment-2443 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:24:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/#comment-2443 Indeed, the Prophet of Islam’s deeds and words, Islamic law and its interpretation, has always been totally intolerant and he practiced an unholy life. According to Muslims, the prophet of Islam was Khataman Nabiyyeen (The last prophet) and Allah will no longer send prophets. Well, if God chose a man like Muhammad who butchered, raped, terrorized, massacred and killed so many innocent people with the sword of Islam, then we are dealing with a terrorist, God.

Until we understand this and put a stop on this widely spread, contagious disease, many innocent people will continue to die. The very survival of the civilized world is dependent upon our understanding that Islam is mankind’s greatest enemy.

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By: A. Beverly http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/comment-page-1/#comment-2442 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:22:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/#comment-2442 It is due to Muhammad’s life that Muslims act barbaric and run amuck, Allah’s hallmarks is a cult. In other words, we cannot compare Islam to other religions because due to the prophets narcissistic manners, Islam falls in the category of a cult, not a religion. Yes, Islam is a cult founded by an Arab man from Mecca in Arabia , by the name of Mohammed, who lived from 570-632 A.D. . A huge problem is that cults are incredibly difficult to dismantle intellectually. The brainwashing is grandiose.

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By: A. Beverly http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/comment-page-1/#comment-2440 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:13:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/#comment-2440 Few Muslims today understand that many of their recent or distant ancestors entered Islam at sword point. As Arab dominance gripped cities and nations, many undoubtedly embraced Islam not only to survive, but to avoid payment of Poll Tax (Jaziya) and escape the humiliation reserved for the Zimmies (non-Muslims living under their Arab rulers). Except for those who joined for personal gain, probably most people were forced to join, accepting Islam solely for the purpose of survival for themselves and their children. Undoubtedly nearly all of those so forced hoped and longed for the opportunity to escape the grip of Islam at the time of their induction, but the grip of Islam on families, neighborhoods, and nations is very tight. Dreams of freedom became sad resignation, and after a generation or two none remember or recite the old hopes and dreams. It’s interesting to take note that much of Islam today is made up from what essentially is a conscripted army. Islamic efforts to make that army tow the official line and become more responsive and obedient warriors (Jihadists) continue to this day. Calls to arms and Jihad seem constantly issued from various sources, and there seems to be a new crop of recently indoctrinated energetic young people ready to answer the call to prove their devotion, and to make teachers and family proud. Those who respond are also enthralled by the promise of glory, luxuries, and virgins in the next life. Properly incited, they depart on their dangerous journeys knowing nothing of the root causes and circumstances of their ancestral parents forced conversions. Their father’s father’s father, an entire previous lineage of many peoples, cry from the dust lamenting the choices of their progeny, but are unable to speak to hearts now filled with the same hatred and blood-lust that first drove them into bondage. It is a huge tragedy and travesty spanning generations, with little hope of redemption.

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By: A. Beverly http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/comment-page-1/#comment-2439 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:09:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/#comment-2439 The most important message in the Qur’an is that Allah is in charge of Muslims. Since Allah has declared a permanent war it follows, that the Islamic world is in a permanent war with the un-Islamic world. There cannot be any negotiation with the non Muslims, since it means negotiating with Allah (translation ~ Lucifer).

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By: admirant du le Pen http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/comment-page-1/#comment-2436 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:24:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/03/31/how-dutch-muslim-leader-reacted-to-wilders-anti-koran-film/#comment-2436 we europeans stopped you before under Charles the Hammer. The asian nestorians stopped you under Ghengis Khan. Soon the Indians will stop you again. And your obcence ostentations will blow away on the desert wind like the old city of the pillars in the Rub-al Kali

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