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	<title>Comments on: Harun Yahya&#8217;s Islamic creationist book pops up in Scotland</title>
	<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/</link>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: musa - moses</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3561</link>
		<dc:creator>musa - moses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 23:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think i made my points clear enough in my above writings. (beginning at May 11 &#38; ending at May 21) so i hope all the truth-seeking Christians &#38; Muslims &#38; Others may read and understand all the critical points made in those writings, and then unite under one true perfect God, via/through His scientific --Evolutionary Creation--wisdom/concept.

i did relate all those critical views/informations neither to some fanatic evangelicals and nor to some other fanatics who follow --knowingly or unknowingly-- in their footsteps, because i already knew that it may not be beneficial to them at all (as it did not benefit them for 100 years by now), for some well-understood reasons --which i also tried to explain above a little bit.
(= Evolutionary Creation concept may certainly undermine this false Evangelical doctrine that: Human beings are instantaneously created &#38; made immune from any kind of --past and future-- evolution &#38; perfect God-like creatures!! and so Jesus was a perfect God-incarnate!! sent among them.)
 
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and by the way, i guess one "daylight" and one "night" can also be understood as "long periods of daylights" and "long periods of nights" in Bible, as one "day" is also definitely given/understood in the Psalms as "long periods of days." (= a thousand years) (90/4) 
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so all truth-seeking Christian &#38; Muslim &#38; Jews &#38; Other friends, see you again --God willing-- soon before the presence of our only perfect God, and all His righteous humble Prophets, and believers. salaam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think i made my points clear enough in my above writings. (beginning at May 11 &amp; ending at May 21) so i hope all the truth-seeking Christians &amp; Muslims &amp; Others may read and understand all the critical points made in those writings, and then unite under one true perfect God, via/through His scientific &#8211;Evolutionary Creation&#8211;wisdom/concept.</p>
<p>i did relate all those critical views/informations neither to some fanatic evangelicals and nor to some other fanatics who follow &#8211;knowingly or unknowingly&#8211; in their footsteps, because i already knew that it may not be beneficial to them at all (as it did not benefit them for 100 years by now), for some well-understood reasons &#8211;which i also tried to explain above a little bit.<br />
(= Evolutionary Creation concept may certainly undermine this false Evangelical doctrine that: Human beings are instantaneously created &amp; made immune from any kind of &#8211;past and future&#8211; evolution &amp; perfect God-like creatures!! and so Jesus was a perfect God-incarnate!! sent among them.)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
and by the way, i guess one &#8220;daylight&#8221; and one &#8220;night&#8221; can also be understood as &#8220;long periods of daylights&#8221; and &#8220;long periods of nights&#8221; in Bible, as one &#8220;day&#8221; is also definitely given/understood in the Psalms as &#8220;long periods of days.&#8221; (= a thousand years) (90/4)<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>so all truth-seeking Christian &amp; Muslim &amp; Jews &amp; Other friends, see you again &#8211;God willing&#8211; soon before the presence of our only perfect God, and all His righteous humble Prophets, and believers. salaam.</p>
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		<title>By: joe morreale</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3552</link>
		<dc:creator>joe morreale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3552</guid>
		<description>Seeing that you  refuse to read "Why Darwinism is incompatible with the Qu'ran" by Harun Yayha i will include a few extracts from the book for the benefit of those other Muslims who also might share the misconceptions concerning this subject - after which as sincerety calls for they should abandon such an erroneous perspective.

(1) Darwinism is a theory that lacks any scientific foudation, and that it's real target is religion. Therefore it is wrong  for Muslims to underestimate it, and to see no need to wage an intellectual struggle against it.
Believers should avoid defending this theory and it's ideological meaning, for both contradict the truths of Islam. Some may support the theory because they are unaware of the disasters it has visited upon humanity., that it is supported by people who hate religion, and reject the fact of creation.

(2) Darwinists encourage the creation-by-evolution view to appease supporters of creation or "intelligent design" so that they can weaken their intellectual position against the dogma of Darwinism.
This compromise is being encouraged so that evolution will become more acceptable and belief in creation will weaken. It is an idea designed to support materialist philosophy.

(3) Rejecting evolution does not mean rejecting science -
Evolution it has been pointed out many times above has been invalidated and only kept alive through propaganda and demagogy.

(4) Drawing wrong conclusions from the evolutionists being in the majority scenario -                     Arda Denkel a Turkish Evolutionist says: - "Does the fact that many respected people or organisations or bodies beleive in it prove the theory of evolution to be true?  Could it be proved through a court verdict? Just because respected &#38; powerful people believe in it? The example of Galileo.
Gaining the support of respected and influential circles neither creates the truth nor has anything to do with scientific fact."

In the last 30 years the number of scientists rejecting it has risen and have published countless works concerning it.

Also like i have said several times before the Qu'ran says in:
 6:116 "If you obeyed most of those on earth, they would guide you away from Allah's Way. They follow nothing but conjecture. They are only guessing."

(5) Evolution is a Pagan idea from Sumer first and then Greece eg Empedocles (5th cent bce), Thales (d.547 bce) and Anaximander (d.547 bce) of Miletus and Aristotle. It was later picked up in the 19th century by materialists and expanded upon
See the rest of chapter for more detail.

(6) Darwinism has led humanity from one disaster to another (Communism, fascism and neo-corporate capitalism)
It is a racist ideology.(see book - The disasters darwinism brougt to humanity)

(7) And Finally in the Chapter :-                     THE ERRORS OF THOSE WHO USE QUR'ANIC VERSES TO PROVE EVOLUTION.

 Some Muslims who believe in  evolution accept is as scientific fact and thus approach the Qu'ran with the idea that it confirms evolution.
They load every word that might have an evolutionary interpretation with meanings that it cannot bear.

When the Qu'ran is regarded as a whole or verses seen in their context (before &#38; after) it becomes clear that the explanations offered are forced and invalid.

The Qu'ran in no way supports evolution particularly the "CHANGING FROM ONE SPECIES INTO ANOTHER" idea

This chapter goes into detail concerning all those verses
INCLUDING YOURS(Moses) and completely and utterly refutes them one by one. 

ONCE A MUSLIM KNOWS THAT THE QU'RAN DOES NOT SUPPORT EVOLUTION AND NEITHER DOES SCIENCE - IT BECOMES (with free will of course) INCUMBENT ON HIM/HER TO ABANDON IT FROM THE ISLAMIC POINT OF VIEW AS WELL AS FOR ANY SINCERE/OBJECTIVE AND CONSCENTIOUS HUMAN BEING.

I will conclude with The Glorious Qu'ran:- 21:18

"Rather We hurl the truth against falsehood and it cuts right trough it and it vanishes clean away! Woe without end for what you portray!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing that you  refuse to read &#8220;Why Darwinism is incompatible with the Qu&#8217;ran&#8221; by Harun Yayha i will include a few extracts from the book for the benefit of those other Muslims who also might share the misconceptions concerning this subject - after which as sincerety calls for they should abandon such an erroneous perspective.</p>
<p>(1) Darwinism is a theory that lacks any scientific foudation, and that it&#8217;s real target is religion. Therefore it is wrong  for Muslims to underestimate it, and to see no need to wage an intellectual struggle against it.<br />
Believers should avoid defending this theory and it&#8217;s ideological meaning, for both contradict the truths of Islam. Some may support the theory because they are unaware of the disasters it has visited upon humanity., that it is supported by people who hate religion, and reject the fact of creation.</p>
<p>(2) Darwinists encourage the creation-by-evolution view to appease supporters of creation or &#8220;intelligent design&#8221; so that they can weaken their intellectual position against the dogma of Darwinism.<br />
This compromise is being encouraged so that evolution will become more acceptable and belief in creation will weaken. It is an idea designed to support materialist philosophy.</p>
<p>(3) Rejecting evolution does not mean rejecting science -<br />
Evolution it has been pointed out many times above has been invalidated and only kept alive through propaganda and demagogy.</p>
<p>(4) Drawing wrong conclusions from the evolutionists being in the majority scenario -                     Arda Denkel a Turkish Evolutionist says: - &#8220;Does the fact that many respected people or organisations or bodies beleive in it prove the theory of evolution to be true?  Could it be proved through a court verdict? Just because respected &amp; powerful people believe in it? The example of Galileo.<br />
Gaining the support of respected and influential circles neither creates the truth nor has anything to do with scientific fact.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the last 30 years the number of scientists rejecting it has risen and have published countless works concerning it.</p>
<p>Also like i have said several times before the Qu&#8217;ran says in:<br />
 6:116 &#8220;If you obeyed most of those on earth, they would guide you away from Allah&#8217;s Way. They follow nothing but conjecture. They are only guessing.&#8221;</p>
<p>(5) Evolution is a Pagan idea from Sumer first and then Greece eg Empedocles (5th cent bce), Thales (d.547 bce) and Anaximander (d.547 bce) of Miletus and Aristotle. It was later picked up in the 19th century by materialists and expanded upon<br />
See the rest of chapter for more detail.</p>
<p>(6) Darwinism has led humanity from one disaster to another (Communism, fascism and neo-corporate capitalism)<br />
It is a racist ideology.(see book - The disasters darwinism brougt to humanity)</p>
<p>(7) And Finally in the Chapter :-                     THE ERRORS OF THOSE WHO USE QUR&#8217;ANIC VERSES TO PROVE EVOLUTION.</p>
<p> Some Muslims who believe in  evolution accept is as scientific fact and thus approach the Qu&#8217;ran with the idea that it confirms evolution.<br />
They load every word that might have an evolutionary interpretation with meanings that it cannot bear.</p>
<p>When the Qu&#8217;ran is regarded as a whole or verses seen in their context (before &amp; after) it becomes clear that the explanations offered are forced and invalid.</p>
<p>The Qu&#8217;ran in no way supports evolution particularly the &#8220;CHANGING FROM ONE SPECIES INTO ANOTHER&#8221; idea</p>
<p>This chapter goes into detail concerning all those verses<br />
INCLUDING YOURS(Moses) and completely and utterly refutes them one by one. </p>
<p>ONCE A MUSLIM KNOWS THAT THE QU&#8217;RAN DOES NOT SUPPORT EVOLUTION AND NEITHER DOES SCIENCE - IT BECOMES (with free will of course) INCUMBENT ON HIM/HER TO ABANDON IT FROM THE ISLAMIC POINT OF VIEW AS WELL AS FOR ANY SINCERE/OBJECTIVE AND CONSCENTIOUS HUMAN BEING.</p>
<p>I will conclude with The Glorious Qu&#8217;ran:- 21:18</p>
<p>&#8220;Rather We hurl the truth against falsehood and it cuts right trough it and it vanishes clean away! Woe without end for what you portray!</p>
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		<title>By: joe morreale</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3550</link>
		<dc:creator>joe morreale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 16:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bro,
I am going to deal with you one last time because eitherwise this is descending into an ego(nafs) thing which corrupts the sincerety behind the intentions.

 Why are you preaching about Isa(as) to me when as a Muslim i know the real story concerning him. What has that got to do with the subject?The Myth of Evolution or thhe Fact of Creation?

Returning to the (the very beginning) verses in Genesis which are famous and well known  - it says after  the end of each verse which describes the end of each day :- "... and then it was morning."
This leaves no room for any meteaphorical interpretation and it cleary means 24hr days. Whatever psalms might  say is insignificant by comparison and in anycase contradictory to Genesis.
  
We should (including myself) stop mentioning Christian
mistakes and seek COMMON TERMS with them like  Allah tells us in the Qu'ran. We both believe in God (we should set aside our differences for now) and Creation and we both repudiate and refute evolution and atheism/materialism systems which currently dominate in the world. The opposition is a threat not only to us but including those atheists/materialists who cannot see that they are also victims of the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bro,<br />
I am going to deal with you one last time because eitherwise this is descending into an ego(nafs) thing which corrupts the sincerety behind the intentions.</p>
<p> Why are you preaching about Isa(as) to me when as a Muslim i know the real story concerning him. What has that got to do with the subject?The Myth of Evolution or thhe Fact of Creation?</p>
<p>Returning to the (the very beginning) verses in Genesis which are famous and well known  - it says after  the end of each verse which describes the end of each day :- &#8220;&#8230; and then it was morning.&#8221;<br />
This leaves no room for any meteaphorical interpretation and it cleary means 24hr days. Whatever psalms might  say is insignificant by comparison and in anycase contradictory to Genesis.</p>
<p>We should (including myself) stop mentioning Christian<br />
mistakes and seek COMMON TERMS with them like  Allah tells us in the Qu&#8217;ran. We both believe in God (we should set aside our differences for now) and Creation and we both repudiate and refute evolution and atheism/materialism systems which currently dominate in the world. The opposition is a threat not only to us but including those atheists/materialists who cannot see that they are also victims of the system.</p>
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		<title>By: musa - moses</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3548</link>
		<dc:creator>musa - moses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 04:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and in the Quran it is also stated that:
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the ones who say: "God is the Messiah, the son of Mary," have definitely blasphemed. (Maaedah 17) 
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and it is also emphasized in Quran that this blasphemy has also been the "biggest lie" produced in the name of Religion in the history of humanity. 
and all the universe would utterly shatter/crumble because of such a horrendous blasphemy. (Maaedah 17 &#38; Maryam 88-93)

**********

and also Jesus (= the honorable Servant of God) himself made it absolutely %100 clear in Gospel that: 

= all the righteous Christians must/will worship one true Lord, as the first commandment dictates to us, (Mark 12/29-30) 

= and he himself was not the Lord at all, but he was only an honorable Servant of this Lord, 
he himself was also worshipping Him alone. (Mark 10/18 &#38; Matthew 4/9-10)
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so then here is one more great scientific miracle/evidence, for all of us, from our God, in our time (= that is "Evolutionary Creation" concept, as we discussed in detail above...) that we, all together, may utterly reject this blasphemous claim now (= Human Beings are --anti evolutionary &#38; instant &#38; perfect-- Godlike creatures!! and so Jesus was a God incarnate!! among these Godlike creatures!!) 
and instead return to this our --unlike anyone-- "Truly Perfect One God" and His "Truly Humble --but exceedingly Honorable-- Human Messenger Jesus" before it is too late. (Mark 12/29-30 &#38; 10/18) (Matthew 4/9-10 X 6/22-23)

and may God also protect all of us from backing/siding with such horrendously erroneous evangelical "anti evolutionary" false &#38; paranoid &#38; ignorant &#38; biased
claims in the name of God, forever and ever.

so all truth-seeking Christians &#38; Muslims &#38; others, we should take care again, exceedingly. (Mark 10/18 &#38; 12/29-30 &#38; Matthew 4/9-10) (Quran 5/17 &#38; 116-117) 

salaam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and in the Quran it is also stated that:<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
the ones who say: &#8220;God is the Messiah, the son of Mary,&#8221; have definitely blasphemed. (Maaedah 17)<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>and it is also emphasized in Quran that this blasphemy has also been the &#8220;biggest lie&#8221; produced in the name of Religion in the history of humanity.<br />
and all the universe would utterly shatter/crumble because of such a horrendous blasphemy. (Maaedah 17 &amp; Maryam 88-93)</p>
<p>**********</p>
<p>and also Jesus (= the honorable Servant of God) himself made it absolutely %100 clear in Gospel that: </p>
<p>= all the righteous Christians must/will worship one true Lord, as the first commandment dictates to us, (Mark 12/29-30) </p>
<p>= and he himself was not the Lord at all, but he was only an honorable Servant of this Lord,<br />
he himself was also worshipping Him alone. (Mark 10/18 &amp; Matthew 4/9-10)<br />
********************</p>
<p>so then here is one more great scientific miracle/evidence, for all of us, from our God, in our time (= that is &#8220;Evolutionary Creation&#8221; concept, as we discussed in detail above&#8230;) that we, all together, may utterly reject this blasphemous claim now (= Human Beings are &#8211;anti evolutionary &amp; instant &amp; perfect&#8211; Godlike creatures!! and so Jesus was a God incarnate!! among these Godlike creatures!!)<br />
and instead return to this our &#8211;unlike anyone&#8211; &#8220;Truly Perfect One God&#8221; and His &#8220;Truly Humble &#8211;but exceedingly Honorable&#8211; Human Messenger Jesus&#8221; before it is too late. (Mark 12/29-30 &amp; 10/18) (Matthew 4/9-10 X 6/22-23)</p>
<p>and may God also protect all of us from backing/siding with such horrendously erroneous evangelical &#8220;anti evolutionary&#8221; false &amp; paranoid &amp; ignorant &amp; biased<br />
claims in the name of God, forever and ever.</p>
<p>so all truth-seeking Christians &amp; Muslims &amp; others, we should take care again, exceedingly. (Mark 10/18 &amp; 12/29-30 &amp; Matthew 4/9-10) (Quran 5/17 &amp; 116-117) </p>
<p>salaam.</p>
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		<title>By: musa - moses</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3547</link>
		<dc:creator>musa - moses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>even in the Bible today, one "day" is sometimes definitely used for some long "epoch/period" in the eyes of God. (Psalms 90/4)

so many Christians today take these "6 days creation"
story in the Bible as "6 long epoch/period creation" story.

and so these kind of some righteous Christians neither find any difficulty/conflict today between long "Evolutionary Creation" process and Bible.

only some evangelical Christians who --erroneously-- think that God created all the universe at once (without beginning from "bang" and then its long evolutionary course...) 
and all the life on earth at once (without beginning from "water" and then its long evolutionary course...) find serious, irreconcilable difficulty/conflict between Science and Religion. 

and so i also tried to explain before 
how wondrously/miraculously it is also stated in Quran 
that: 

God created all the universe out of "bang" and then its long evolutionary master plan &#38; course, 

and all the life out of "water" and then its long evolutionary master plan &#38; course, (anbeeyaa 30) (nooh 13-14 &#38; anaam 133 &#38; insaan 1 &#38; ...)

as stated just in the "same verse" together. (anbeeyaa 30) 

so all truth-seeking friends, take care, again. 
salaam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>even in the Bible today, one &#8220;day&#8221; is sometimes definitely used for some long &#8220;epoch/period&#8221; in the eyes of God. (Psalms 90/4)</p>
<p>so many Christians today take these &#8220;6 days creation&#8221;<br />
story in the Bible as &#8220;6 long epoch/period creation&#8221; story.</p>
<p>and so these kind of some righteous Christians neither find any difficulty/conflict today between long &#8220;Evolutionary Creation&#8221; process and Bible.</p>
<p>only some evangelical Christians who &#8211;erroneously&#8211; think that God created all the universe at once (without beginning from &#8220;bang&#8221; and then its long evolutionary course&#8230;)<br />
and all the life on earth at once (without beginning from &#8220;water&#8221; and then its long evolutionary course&#8230;) find serious, irreconcilable difficulty/conflict between Science and Religion. </p>
<p>and so i also tried to explain before<br />
how wondrously/miraculously it is also stated in Quran<br />
that: </p>
<p>God created all the universe out of &#8220;bang&#8221; and then its long evolutionary master plan &amp; course, </p>
<p>and all the life out of &#8220;water&#8221; and then its long evolutionary master plan &amp; course, (anbeeyaa 30) (nooh 13-14 &amp; anaam 133 &amp; insaan 1 &amp; &#8230;)</p>
<p>as stated just in the &#8220;same verse&#8221; together. (anbeeyaa 30) </p>
<p>so all truth-seeking friends, take care, again.<br />
salaam.</p>
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		<title>By: joe morreale</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3543</link>
		<dc:creator>joe morreale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3543</guid>
		<description>To Reuters,
Please stop writing falsehoods when writing about Adnan Oktar eg
You write that Harun Yayha like the Bible believes in a literal 6 day creation. An absolute downright lie.
The Qu'ran  also speaks of a six day creation BUT the word DAYS also means LONG EPOCH/PERIOD in Arabic.
If you were ignorant of this, fine but you if you are doing this delibaretly SHAME ON YOU!
If so it is no surprise though as your being a secular news agency who supports evolution are used to this.
When are you going to realise that your ways of doing things can continue to influence and deceive only those to who it is convenient or  are ignorant, asleep or lazy to find out what is going?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Reuters,<br />
Please stop writing falsehoods when writing about Adnan Oktar eg<br />
You write that Harun Yayha like the Bible believes in a literal 6 day creation. An absolute downright lie.<br />
The Qu&#8217;ran  also speaks of a six day creation BUT the word DAYS also means LONG EPOCH/PERIOD in Arabic.<br />
If you were ignorant of this, fine but you if you are doing this delibaretly SHAME ON YOU!<br />
If so it is no surprise though as your being a secular news agency who supports evolution are used to this.<br />
When are you going to realise that your ways of doing things can continue to influence and deceive only those to who it is convenient or  are ignorant, asleep or lazy to find out what is going?</p>
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		<title>By: musa - moses</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3513</link>
		<dc:creator>musa - moses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 09:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3513</guid>
		<description>high joe, you said:
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You truly lack understanding my Brother. What exists on the outside is reality but of the kind that God presents to our soul. This means that only He knows for sure whether what is shown to us is the REAL VERSION? 
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yes, of course only God knows it; and then He clearly informs us in His Scripture that = it is %100 REAL VERSION (Image/Copy) of the outside %100 REALITY. (ibraheem 19 &#38; israa 12 &#38; ghasheeyah 17-20 ...) 

but again according to Gnostic ideology:
first of all,

= we cannot know if the outside world REALLY exist or not??? 

= we cannot know if the image/copy of outside world in our brains is really reflective of the real things or not???

= we can easily manipulate these images in the way we want, if we find the right technique!!!

these are DELUSIONAL and deeply ERRONEOUS Gnostic views &#38; claims. whoever follows after these erroneous claims are definitely under the influence of FALSE MESSIAH (= Messiah Dajjaal &#38; Anti Christ) ideologies...

and these kind of Gnostic masterminds are already searching now for a way to manipulate the real IMAGE/COPY of the outside real world in our brains. 
they claim that: 
(you can read and learn --and beware of all these kind of erroneous &#38; delusional claims-- in their official site: stargods.org in detail)
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1) Our reality is based on the programming that has been embedded in our brains. So who says that that programming is HONEST??? (stargods)   
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because they claim that in fact originally satan (not God) has made this programming!!! and for that reason we are cut off from REALITY right now!!! 
and if we really want to see this REALITY, first we must utterly reject the Materialistic View that = the matter around us is real.
in short, because we are now utterly under the influence of this satanic Materialistic View!, we cannot see the REALITY!!!
but if we totally submit ourselves to our God and follow in the footsteps of these "Gnostic Religious Heroes" (because they undermined Materialistic View forever by this extraordinarily righteous discovery!!) we shall certainly see the REALITY!!!

here is just one little -theoretical- example:
 
all our beloved deceased relatives &#38; parents &#38; sisters etc. may in fact be all around us right now!! but satan do not want us to see them, he hides them from us!! 
for that reason our brains cannot interpret the "electrical current" coming to it from outside correctly and let us see them!! but if we submit ourselves to our God and reject this satanic Materialistic View --matter around us is real &#38; the image/copy of it is real-- and instead accept this righteous Gnostic View!! --they are all but an illusion based on a satanic programming-- then God will open our eyes, and then our brain will interpret these electrical currents coming from outside just "rightfully," and then we shall see on earth all our deceased beloved ones just in front of us everywhere, as a truthful REALITY??!!

this and all the other similar highly delusional &#38; erroneous christian Gnostic claims of course have definitely been rejected by Jesus (= the Honorable Servant of God) beforehand in Gospel. (Luke 17/27-31) and again Jesus (= the Honorable Servant of God) how beautifully has informed us of such highly delusional &#38; erroneous positions:

take care, then, that the Light in you not become Darkness. (Luke 11/35) 

because if the Light in you is Darkness, how great will the Darkness be. (Matthew 6/23)

and again our prophet Muhammed how beautifully informed us via Quran that:

= the outside world is a %100 REALITY created by our God (ibraheem 19) in the first place,
 
= and image/copy of this outside world that is again created by our God –by the means of light– in our brains (israa 12) is also %100 SAME as the outside REAL things. 
and no one can manipulate this REALITY against the will of God. (hajj 73 &#38; toor 32…) 

so all of us must exceedingly take care and beware of such highly delusional &#38; erroneous Gnostic FALSE MESSIANIC (= Messiah Dajjaal &#38; Anti Christ) claims, 
and we must reject such erroneous claims from the very start, definitely &#38; completely. 
(for this reason, please see again the respected sunni scholar Bilal Phillips sermon on youtube: (Beware 
of ...) 

and this "anti-reality" Gnostic branch must be no: 1  horrendously erroneous FALSE MESSIAH (= Impostor) ideology of our time. 

and "anti-evolutionary" Evangelical branch --which i tried to expose a little bit in my above writings-- must be no: 2 horrendously erroneous FALSE MESSIAH (= Impostor) ideology of our time.  

as i tried to explain the real motives behind this paranoid &#38; ignorant anti-evolutionary Evangelical movement that has been continuing incessantly at least for 100 years up until now, especially in US and then  worldwide. (please read again my above writings 
about this anti-evolutionary Evangelical movement and its real false deep reasons for this biased &#38; ignorant attackings on Science &#38; Humanity worldwide for a long long time.)

but despite this paranoid &#38; ignorant Evangelical anti-evolutionary tirade, today at least

= %40 of Theistic Scientists still strongly support Evolution as "God's Creation Technique" in US.

= %36 of population supports Evolution as "God's way of creating life on earth."

(by the way these statistics have all been confirmed now by many Evangelical anti-evolutionary sites, to their deep anger &#38; sorrow...)

and in Islamic world (especially turkey &#38; egypt &#38; pakistan &#38; jordan...) many believing scientists and scholars and thinkers are now recognizing the "Evolutionary Creation" concept and they are embracing it against these Evangelical anti-evolutionary movements. and especially in turkey on many religious websites many --especially young and educated-- believers are giving the Evolution news and giving the miraculous Quranic verses which informs all humanity about God's wonderful evolutionary creation techniques... (anbeyaa 30 &#38; nooh 13-14 &#38; ibraheem 19 &#38; araaf 69 &#38; anaam 133 &#38; insaan 1 &#38; ...)


so again, then all righteous christians &#38; jews &#38; muslims &#38; and other believing people, let us get united under one true God; let us know that 

= our God is unlike anyone &#38; anything. (Quran 42/11) (Torah-Deut. 4/15-18)

= so He did not create human beings in an instant in His own physical Image (as Evangelicals falsely claim);
but He created everything in evolutionary steps to clearly show us that: 

we also are all humble human beings that are product of an evolutionary creation in the first place (anaam 133 &#38; baqara 30), and we even now may be open to further evolutionary process in the way our God wishes... (anaam 133 &#38; ibraheem 19)

so only our God himself is immune from all kinds of evolution from all past-eternities to all 
future-eternities, because He is the only Perfect One, 

and so no creature/species on earth or in heaven has or will ever be created in the perfect physical Image of God...

so Jesus (= the honorable Prophet of God) himself was a humble human being like us, who clearly stated that he was not a perfect "God incarnate" at all. (Mark 10/18)           

so let us all worship this magnificient God alone, the God of Moses &#38; Jesus &#38; David &#38; Muhammed.

let us appreciate everything He has created for us here  
as %100 REALITY and their %100 REAL images... (14/19 &#38; 17/12 &#38; ...)

let us appreciate all His wonderful EVOLUTIONARY creations... (21/30 &#38; 71/13-14 &#38; 76/1 &#38; ...) 

and all the atheists &#38; agnostics etc. who hear this: 
you should never run away from God and true religion because of these delusional &#38; paranoid "anti-reality" and "anti-evolutionary" false religious doctrines. 
on the contrary, you too should learn and come close to this "realistic &#38; evolutionary" God and true religion. you may find happiness and contentment forever, if you decide to do so.

all friends, take care again. salaam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>high joe, you said:<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
You truly lack understanding my Brother. What exists on the outside is reality but of the kind that God presents to our soul. This means that only He knows for sure whether what is shown to us is the REAL VERSION?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>yes, of course only God knows it; and then He clearly informs us in His Scripture that = it is %100 REAL VERSION (Image/Copy) of the outside %100 REALITY. (ibraheem 19 &amp; israa 12 &amp; ghasheeyah 17-20 &#8230;) </p>
<p>but again according to Gnostic ideology:<br />
first of all,</p>
<p>= we cannot know if the outside world REALLY exist or not??? </p>
<p>= we cannot know if the image/copy of outside world in our brains is really reflective of the real things or not???</p>
<p>= we can easily manipulate these images in the way we want, if we find the right technique!!!</p>
<p>these are DELUSIONAL and deeply ERRONEOUS Gnostic views &amp; claims. whoever follows after these erroneous claims are definitely under the influence of FALSE MESSIAH (= Messiah Dajjaal &amp; Anti Christ) ideologies&#8230;</p>
<p>and these kind of Gnostic masterminds are already searching now for a way to manipulate the real IMAGE/COPY of the outside real world in our brains.<br />
they claim that:<br />
(you can read and learn &#8211;and beware of all these kind of erroneous &amp; delusional claims&#8211; in their official site: stargods.org in detail)<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
1) Our reality is based on the programming that has been embedded in our brains. So who says that that programming is HONEST??? (stargods)<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>because they claim that in fact originally satan (not God) has made this programming!!! and for that reason we are cut off from REALITY right now!!!<br />
and if we really want to see this REALITY, first we must utterly reject the Materialistic View that = the matter around us is real.<br />
in short, because we are now utterly under the influence of this satanic Materialistic View!, we cannot see the REALITY!!!<br />
but if we totally submit ourselves to our God and follow in the footsteps of these &#8220;Gnostic Religious Heroes&#8221; (because they undermined Materialistic View forever by this extraordinarily righteous discovery!!) we shall certainly see the REALITY!!!</p>
<p>here is just one little -theoretical- example:</p>
<p>all our beloved deceased relatives &amp; parents &amp; sisters etc. may in fact be all around us right now!! but satan do not want us to see them, he hides them from us!!<br />
for that reason our brains cannot interpret the &#8220;electrical current&#8221; coming to it from outside correctly and let us see them!! but if we submit ourselves to our God and reject this satanic Materialistic View &#8211;matter around us is real &amp; the image/copy of it is real&#8211; and instead accept this righteous Gnostic View!! &#8211;they are all but an illusion based on a satanic programming&#8211; then God will open our eyes, and then our brain will interpret these electrical currents coming from outside just &#8220;rightfully,&#8221; and then we shall see on earth all our deceased beloved ones just in front of us everywhere, as a truthful REALITY??!!</p>
<p>this and all the other similar highly delusional &amp; erroneous christian Gnostic claims of course have definitely been rejected by Jesus (= the Honorable Servant of God) beforehand in Gospel. (Luke 17/27-31) and again Jesus (= the Honorable Servant of God) how beautifully has informed us of such highly delusional &amp; erroneous positions:</p>
<p>take care, then, that the Light in you not become Darkness. (Luke 11/35) </p>
<p>because if the Light in you is Darkness, how great will the Darkness be. (Matthew 6/23)</p>
<p>and again our prophet Muhammed how beautifully informed us via Quran that:</p>
<p>= the outside world is a %100 REALITY created by our God (ibraheem 19) in the first place,</p>
<p>= and image/copy of this outside world that is again created by our God –by the means of light– in our brains (israa 12) is also %100 SAME as the outside REAL things.<br />
and no one can manipulate this REALITY against the will of God. (hajj 73 &amp; toor 32…) </p>
<p>so all of us must exceedingly take care and beware of such highly delusional &amp; erroneous Gnostic FALSE MESSIANIC (= Messiah Dajjaal &amp; Anti Christ) claims,<br />
and we must reject such erroneous claims from the very start, definitely &amp; completely.<br />
(for this reason, please see again the respected sunni scholar Bilal Phillips sermon on youtube: (Beware<br />
of &#8230;) </p>
<p>and this &#8220;anti-reality&#8221; Gnostic branch must be no: 1  horrendously erroneous FALSE MESSIAH (= Impostor) ideology of our time. </p>
<p>and &#8220;anti-evolutionary&#8221; Evangelical branch &#8211;which i tried to expose a little bit in my above writings&#8211; must be no: 2 horrendously erroneous FALSE MESSIAH (= Impostor) ideology of our time.  </p>
<p>as i tried to explain the real motives behind this paranoid &amp; ignorant anti-evolutionary Evangelical movement that has been continuing incessantly at least for 100 years up until now, especially in US and then  worldwide. (please read again my above writings<br />
about this anti-evolutionary Evangelical movement and its real false deep reasons for this biased &amp; ignorant attackings on Science &amp; Humanity worldwide for a long long time.)</p>
<p>but despite this paranoid &amp; ignorant Evangelical anti-evolutionary tirade, today at least</p>
<p>= %40 of Theistic Scientists still strongly support Evolution as &#8220;God&#8217;s Creation Technique&#8221; in US.</p>
<p>= %36 of population supports Evolution as &#8220;God&#8217;s way of creating life on earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>(by the way these statistics have all been confirmed now by many Evangelical anti-evolutionary sites, to their deep anger &amp; sorrow&#8230;)</p>
<p>and in Islamic world (especially turkey &amp; egypt &amp; pakistan &amp; jordan&#8230;) many believing scientists and scholars and thinkers are now recognizing the &#8220;Evolutionary Creation&#8221; concept and they are embracing it against these Evangelical anti-evolutionary movements. and especially in turkey on many religious websites many &#8211;especially young and educated&#8211; believers are giving the Evolution news and giving the miraculous Quranic verses which informs all humanity about God&#8217;s wonderful evolutionary creation techniques&#8230; (anbeyaa 30 &amp; nooh 13-14 &amp; ibraheem 19 &amp; araaf 69 &amp; anaam 133 &amp; insaan 1 &amp; &#8230;)</p>
<p>so again, then all righteous christians &amp; jews &amp; muslims &amp; and other believing people, let us get united under one true God; let us know that </p>
<p>= our God is unlike anyone &amp; anything. (Quran 42/11) (Torah-Deut. 4/15-18)</p>
<p>= so He did not create human beings in an instant in His own physical Image (as Evangelicals falsely claim);<br />
but He created everything in evolutionary steps to clearly show us that: </p>
<p>we also are all humble human beings that are product of an evolutionary creation in the first place (anaam 133 &amp; baqara 30), and we even now may be open to further evolutionary process in the way our God wishes&#8230; (anaam 133 &amp; ibraheem 19)</p>
<p>so only our God himself is immune from all kinds of evolution from all past-eternities to all<br />
future-eternities, because He is the only Perfect One, </p>
<p>and so no creature/species on earth or in heaven has or will ever be created in the perfect physical Image of God&#8230;</p>
<p>so Jesus (= the honorable Prophet of God) himself was a humble human being like us, who clearly stated that he was not a perfect &#8220;God incarnate&#8221; at all. (Mark 10/18)           </p>
<p>so let us all worship this magnificient God alone, the God of Moses &amp; Jesus &amp; David &amp; Muhammed.</p>
<p>let us appreciate everything He has created for us here<br />
as %100 REALITY and their %100 REAL images&#8230; (14/19 &amp; 17/12 &amp; &#8230;)</p>
<p>let us appreciate all His wonderful EVOLUTIONARY creations&#8230; (21/30 &amp; 71/13-14 &amp; 76/1 &amp; &#8230;) </p>
<p>and all the atheists &amp; agnostics etc. who hear this:<br />
you should never run away from God and true religion because of these delusional &amp; paranoid &#8220;anti-reality&#8221; and &#8220;anti-evolutionary&#8221; false religious doctrines.<br />
on the contrary, you too should learn and come close to this &#8220;realistic &amp; evolutionary&#8221; God and true religion. you may find happiness and contentment forever, if you decide to do so.</p>
<p>all friends, take care again. salaam.</p>
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		<title>By: joe morreale</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3501</link>
		<dc:creator>joe morreale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3501</guid>
		<description>Moses,
You truly lack understanding my Brother. What exists on the outside is reality but of the kind that God presents to our soul. This means that only He knows for sure whether what is shown to us is the real version. This is not a denial of the existence of matter but only the explanation that what we see is it's image/copy. We cannot go beyond that. The same applies to our dreams and our Hereafter. The only ABSOLUTE Being is Allah and the rest is shadow beings.
And for the last time this is also what Modern Science which for eg quantem physics/mechanics has shown.
Look at Harun Yayha's articles: Quantum Physics: the discovery that scientifically demolished materialism
The wave-like properties of the electron and the scientific proof. See Darwin's Dilemma:The Soul. Also see The secret beyond matter.com
Qu'ran denies darwinism.com
This as i keep telling you will expose your absurd claims that The Qu'ran supports evolution. The fact that you believe that we were descended from apes means with certainty that you are going against the Qu'ran(which is a grave thing indeed) and modern science which  has not provided any evidence whatsoever for evolution beyond speculation based on the wishfull-thinking of those who do not want to submit to the Allah(God) swt and try to find (in vain of course) justifications for their atheism and materialistic outlook of the world.
You should look at (and i have mentioned this many times before) Evolution Deceit, Darwinism Refuted, The Dark Spell of Darwinism - How Darwinists twist the truth to turn people away from God (their propaganda teqniques)
The errors of the National Academy of Science(USA),
A definitive reply to evolutionist propaganda etc which gives mountains of evidence showing the invalidity of evolution at EVERY LEVEL and the ADMISSIONS OF EVOLUTIONISTS THEMSELVES which means conclusively that it is ALL OVER. Are you listening and taking heed instead of ignoring it because it is not conforming to your whims and desires? Do you suffer from similar pschological sicknesses that they do?
I want to conclude with just one example (and there are
many) of an atheist/evolutionist philosopher:Malcom Muggeridge
"I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it's been applied, will be one of the GREAT JOKES in the history books in the future. Posterity will MARVEL that so very flimsy and DUBIOUS an HYPOTHESIS could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has."
This is an admission of someone (and there are many like that) who in spite of what he has just said continues to believe in the myth called evolution! Is there any remedy for such sickness?
My Brorher do not fall into the same trap and walk tall and proudly that you  are a Muslim which means we are on the truth and we can provide evidence including scientifically that we are, and unlike evolutionists
ours is most certainly not blind faith.
I will no longer be exchanging views with you as i feel that i have truly covered matters Alhamdulillah.
Take care Insha Allah 
Salaam
Yusuf Salah-uh-Din Morreale (an Italian revert Brother of yours in Islam)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moses,<br />
You truly lack understanding my Brother. What exists on the outside is reality but of the kind that God presents to our soul. This means that only He knows for sure whether what is shown to us is the real version. This is not a denial of the existence of matter but only the explanation that what we see is it&#8217;s image/copy. We cannot go beyond that. The same applies to our dreams and our Hereafter. The only ABSOLUTE Being is Allah and the rest is shadow beings.<br />
And for the last time this is also what Modern Science which for eg quantem physics/mechanics has shown.<br />
Look at Harun Yayha&#8217;s articles: Quantum Physics: the discovery that scientifically demolished materialism<br />
The wave-like properties of the electron and the scientific proof. See Darwin&#8217;s Dilemma:The Soul. Also see The secret beyond matter.com<br />
Qu&#8217;ran denies darwinism.com<br />
This as i keep telling you will expose your absurd claims that The Qu&#8217;ran supports evolution. The fact that you believe that we were descended from apes means with certainty that you are going against the Qu&#8217;ran(which is a grave thing indeed) and modern science which  has not provided any evidence whatsoever for evolution beyond speculation based on the wishfull-thinking of those who do not want to submit to the Allah(God) swt and try to find (in vain of course) justifications for their atheism and materialistic outlook of the world.<br />
You should look at (and i have mentioned this many times before) Evolution Deceit, Darwinism Refuted, The Dark Spell of Darwinism - How Darwinists twist the truth to turn people away from God (their propaganda teqniques)<br />
The errors of the National Academy of Science(USA),<br />
A definitive reply to evolutionist propaganda etc which gives mountains of evidence showing the invalidity of evolution at EVERY LEVEL and the ADMISSIONS OF EVOLUTIONISTS THEMSELVES which means conclusively that it is ALL OVER. Are you listening and taking heed instead of ignoring it because it is not conforming to your whims and desires? Do you suffer from similar pschological sicknesses that they do?<br />
I want to conclude with just one example (and there are<br />
many) of an atheist/evolutionist philosopher:Malcom Muggeridge<br />
&#8220;I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it&#8217;s been applied, will be one of the GREAT JOKES in the history books in the future. Posterity will MARVEL that so very flimsy and DUBIOUS an HYPOTHESIS could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has.&#8221;<br />
This is an admission of someone (and there are many like that) who in spite of what he has just said continues to believe in the myth called evolution! Is there any remedy for such sickness?<br />
My Brorher do not fall into the same trap and walk tall and proudly that you  are a Muslim which means we are on the truth and we can provide evidence including scientifically that we are, and unlike evolutionists<br />
ours is most certainly not blind faith.<br />
I will no longer be exchanging views with you as i feel that i have truly covered matters Alhamdulillah.<br />
Take care Insha Allah<br />
Salaam<br />
Yusuf Salah-uh-Din Morreale (an Italian revert Brother of yours in Islam)</p>
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		<title>By: musa - moses</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3497</link>
		<dc:creator>musa - moses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 05:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3497</guid>
		<description>high joe, you said:
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I just want to say that the issue about matter isn’t about it not existing or being an illusion but what we see on the outside is formed as an image/copy inside our brains and therefore cannot say with CERTAINTY that it is the REAL VERSION!!!
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yes, brother. we CAN and we MUST say with CERTAINTY that it is absolutely %100 the REAL VERSION, if we believe in God's Word. (and who can know this issue better than the Creator?) 
because this is what God has taught us in the Scripture:

did you not SEE (and realize) that God created the heavens and the earth with/as a "REALITY" (= belhaqqi)... (ibraheem 19)

but according to Gnostic ideology (you can visit their official site here: stargods.org)   
  
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Our reality is based on the programming that has been embedded in our brains. So who says that that programming is HONEST??? (stargods)
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(** so by this they are questioning 
the honesty of this programming and the HONESTY OF 
GOD --who made this programming-- in the first place! 
but of course, He is recognized as a trusted %100 HONEST GOD by all believers in all His works. (ibraheem 19 &#38; ghaasheyah 17-20 &#38; ...) 
who could think the otherwise, except these sick-minded Gnostic manipulators?)

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Change the programming and you alter all human REALITY!!! (stargods)
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(** it may not be so easy at all, o you deluded Gnostic minds!) hajj 73 &#38; ...  

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If this is the case then all physical reality is an ILLUSION!!! 
What if our brain is programmed to see light in a different way? The fact is that there may not even be a universe out there! What if the universe is actually a "massive monster" with an open mouth coming towards earth to swallow the world. This is totally a possibility if our brains are programmed to interpret the visual images into another form. (stargods)
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(** yeah, i also believe it is a real possibility for you, but not for the "healthy-minded" normal believers.)

so for us there may be two options here:

1) to believe in God's Word and truly trust Him,
and learn from Him and understand that: 

the outside world is a %100 REALITY created by our God (ibraheem 19) in the first place, and image/copy of this outside world that is again created by our God --by the means of the light-- in our brains (israa 12) is also 
%100 SAME as the outside REAL things. and no one can manipulate this REALITY against the will of God. (hajj 73 &#38; toor 32...) 

(and this has been the consistent true perspective &#38; belief of many righteous christian or muslim scholars &#38; scientists &#38; thinkers throughout the history, and now.)

2) these horrendously false claims of Gnosticism 

= we cannot know if the outside world REALLY exist or not??? 

= we cannot know if the image/copy of outside world in our brains is REALLY reflective of the real things or not???

= we can easily manipulate these images in the way we want, if we find the magic --satanic-- trick!!!

must surely be the erroneous FALSE MESSIAH (= Messiah Dajjaal &#38; Anti Christ) ideology of our time...     

and joe, you again said:
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My Brother if you were ignorant and misinformed regarding all these scientific evidences which have ruined and killed evolution!!! this excuse is no longer available to you. Especially in your regard to your absurd!!! saying that the QURAN SUPPORTS EVOLUTION?  
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yes, Quran may basically be supporting "EVOLUTIONARY CREATION" (as many muslim scholars agree and explained it in detail)... 
yes, Quran may miraculously be pointing out to us:

= how the origin of life --with primitive organisms-- began in water in the first place (ankeboot 20 &#38; anbeyaa 30)

= and then how it has been evolved in basic "common ancestry" (= atvaaran) method (nooh 13-14)

= and then how the first human beings appeared on earth after a long evolutionary process as a "successor" (= haleefatan) to some --human-like-- primates. (insaan 1) &#38;(baqara 30 &#38; anaam 133)

all these important issues and the garden (= jannaat) from which Adam and Eve has been evicted --must have taken place after this long evolutionary process-- are well explained by many muslim scholars; 
and all the miraculous verses that points out to evolution and its most basic --God selected-- mechanisms are again well discussed &#38; explained in these books. so i strongly urge all righteous believers (christians &#38; muslims &#38; jews and others) here to get some of these books and see all the evidences. (and all these believing scientists and scholars are, of course, well aware of some "anti-evolutionary" objections against these scientific &#38; religious evidences, and they are giving the credible answers to those objections.)

yes; but why then God would want to use Evolution as His most-wise Creation technique? 
as some of us may already know, in evangelical ideology it is --horrendously erroneously-- believed that 

= God created human beings with His own hands and in an instant --perfectly immune from all kinds of evolution before and after-- perfectly in His own physical image???
 
= then God created and sent Jesus --among these Godlike humans!-- %100 percent perfectly in His own physical image???

yes, if God had really wanted to create some creatures perfectly in His own image, and then to send a most beloved "God incarnate" messenger to these creatures, this would have had to be the only ideal "creation technique," of course. 

but if God in reality used evolution as a creation technique, then all this evangelical ideology &#38; perspective &#38; interpretation may basically be HIGHLY  ERRONEOUS...
and please see, how a --worldwide popular-- evangelical site (christiananswers.net) have long put this argument in their "DANGERS OF THEISTIC EVOLUTION" list:

----------------
danger no 5=
The incarnation of God through His Son Jesus Christ is one of the basic teachings of the Bible. The Bible states that “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1:14), “Christ Jesus… was made in the likeness of men” (Philippians 2:5-7).
The idea of evolution undermines this foundation of our salvation. Evolutionist --christian scientist-- Hoimar von Ditfurth discusses the incompatibility of Jesus' incarnation and evolutionary thought: “Consideration of evolution inevitably forces us to a critical review… of Christian formulations. This clearly holds for the central Christian concept of the 'incarnation' of God… ”
(christiananswers) 
------------

so all righteous christians &#38; muslims &#38; jews and others, let us come together then, and let us get united 
under one true God (the God of moses &#38; jesus &#38; david &#38; muhammad) and let us not be duped by this false 
anti-reality and anti-evolutionary gnostic &#38; evangelical FALSE MESSIAH (= Messiah Dajjaal &#38; Anti Christ) ideologies.

let us worship God alone, like moses and jesus and david and muhammed have all worshipped Him alone. and let us thank our God for His these Realistic &#38; Evolutionary wonderful creations, and let us know that only our God is totally immune from all kind of evolution from all past-eternities and to all future-eternities.

and lastly, i want to give here some of Jesus' (= the honorable Servant of God) words which condemns all erroneous believers who falsely claim that he was "God incarnate."

Jesus said: why do you call me good? no one is good but God alone. (Mark 10/18)

(** so Jesus himself here humbly &#38; clearly accepted and stated that he was neither "good" nor "God.")

Jesus said: many will say to me on that day: lord, lord, did we not prophesy in your name, did we not drive out demons in your name, did we not do mighty deeds in your name?
then i will declare to them solemnly: i never knew you. depart from me, you evildoers! (Matthew 6/22-23)

(** anti-reality and anti-evolutionary gnostic &#38; evangelical minds --as we examined above a little bit-- and the ones who walk in their footsteps may certainly be among these evildoers. yes, perhaps they are the real evildoers, aren't they?)

take care, again. salaam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>high joe, you said:<br />
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I just want to say that the issue about matter isn’t about it not existing or being an illusion but what we see on the outside is formed as an image/copy inside our brains and therefore cannot say with CERTAINTY that it is the REAL VERSION!!!<br />
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<p>yes, brother. we CAN and we MUST say with CERTAINTY that it is absolutely %100 the REAL VERSION, if we believe in God&#8217;s Word. (and who can know this issue better than the Creator?)<br />
because this is what God has taught us in the Scripture:</p>
<p>did you not SEE (and realize) that God created the heavens and the earth with/as a &#8220;REALITY&#8221; (= belhaqqi)&#8230; (ibraheem 19)</p>
<p>but according to Gnostic ideology (you can visit their official site here: stargods.org)   </p>
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Our reality is based on the programming that has been embedded in our brains. So who says that that programming is HONEST??? (stargods)<br />
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(** so by this they are questioning<br />
the honesty of this programming and the HONESTY OF<br />
GOD &#8211;who made this programming&#8211; in the first place!<br />
but of course, He is recognized as a trusted %100 HONEST GOD by all believers in all His works. (ibraheem 19 &amp; ghaasheyah 17-20 &amp; &#8230;)<br />
who could think the otherwise, except these sick-minded Gnostic manipulators?)</p>
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Change the programming and you alter all human REALITY!!! (stargods)<br />
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(** it may not be so easy at all, o you deluded Gnostic minds!) hajj 73 &amp; &#8230;  </p>
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If this is the case then all physical reality is an ILLUSION!!!<br />
What if our brain is programmed to see light in a different way? The fact is that there may not even be a universe out there! What if the universe is actually a &#8220;massive monster&#8221; with an open mouth coming towards earth to swallow the world. This is totally a possibility if our brains are programmed to interpret the visual images into another form. (stargods)<br />
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(** yeah, i also believe it is a real possibility for you, but not for the &#8220;healthy-minded&#8221; normal believers.)</p>
<p>so for us there may be two options here:</p>
<p>1) to believe in God&#8217;s Word and truly trust Him,<br />
and learn from Him and understand that: </p>
<p>the outside world is a %100 REALITY created by our God (ibraheem 19) in the first place, and image/copy of this outside world that is again created by our God &#8211;by the means of the light&#8211; in our brains (israa 12) is also<br />
%100 SAME as the outside REAL things. and no one can manipulate this REALITY against the will of God. (hajj 73 &amp; toor 32&#8230;) </p>
<p>(and this has been the consistent true perspective &amp; belief of many righteous christian or muslim scholars &amp; scientists &amp; thinkers throughout the history, and now.)</p>
<p>2) these horrendously false claims of Gnosticism </p>
<p>= we cannot know if the outside world REALLY exist or not??? </p>
<p>= we cannot know if the image/copy of outside world in our brains is REALLY reflective of the real things or not???</p>
<p>= we can easily manipulate these images in the way we want, if we find the magic &#8211;satanic&#8211; trick!!!</p>
<p>must surely be the erroneous FALSE MESSIAH (= Messiah Dajjaal &amp; Anti Christ) ideology of our time&#8230;     </p>
<p>and joe, you again said:<br />
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My Brother if you were ignorant and misinformed regarding all these scientific evidences which have ruined and killed evolution!!! this excuse is no longer available to you. Especially in your regard to your absurd!!! saying that the QURAN SUPPORTS EVOLUTION?<br />
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<p>yes, Quran may basically be supporting &#8220;EVOLUTIONARY CREATION&#8221; (as many muslim scholars agree and explained it in detail)&#8230;<br />
yes, Quran may miraculously be pointing out to us:</p>
<p>= how the origin of life &#8211;with primitive organisms&#8211; began in water in the first place (ankeboot 20 &amp; anbeyaa 30)</p>
<p>= and then how it has been evolved in basic &#8220;common ancestry&#8221; (= atvaaran) method (nooh 13-14)</p>
<p>= and then how the first human beings appeared on earth after a long evolutionary process as a &#8220;successor&#8221; (= haleefatan) to some &#8211;human-like&#8211; primates. (insaan 1) &amp;(baqara 30 &amp; anaam 133)</p>
<p>all these important issues and the garden (= jannaat) from which Adam and Eve has been evicted &#8211;must have taken place after this long evolutionary process&#8211; are well explained by many muslim scholars;<br />
and all the miraculous verses that points out to evolution and its most basic &#8211;God selected&#8211; mechanisms are again well discussed &amp; explained in these books. so i strongly urge all righteous believers (christians &amp; muslims &amp; jews and others) here to get some of these books and see all the evidences. (and all these believing scientists and scholars are, of course, well aware of some &#8220;anti-evolutionary&#8221; objections against these scientific &amp; religious evidences, and they are giving the credible answers to those objections.)</p>
<p>yes; but why then God would want to use Evolution as His most-wise Creation technique?<br />
as some of us may already know, in evangelical ideology it is &#8211;horrendously erroneously&#8211; believed that </p>
<p>= God created human beings with His own hands and in an instant &#8211;perfectly immune from all kinds of evolution before and after&#8211; perfectly in His own physical image???</p>
<p>= then God created and sent Jesus &#8211;among these Godlike humans!&#8211; %100 percent perfectly in His own physical image???</p>
<p>yes, if God had really wanted to create some creatures perfectly in His own image, and then to send a most beloved &#8220;God incarnate&#8221; messenger to these creatures, this would have had to be the only ideal &#8220;creation technique,&#8221; of course. </p>
<p>but if God in reality used evolution as a creation technique, then all this evangelical ideology &amp; perspective &amp; interpretation may basically be HIGHLY  ERRONEOUS&#8230;<br />
and please see, how a &#8211;worldwide popular&#8211; evangelical site (christiananswers.net) have long put this argument in their &#8220;DANGERS OF THEISTIC EVOLUTION&#8221; list:</p>
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danger no 5=<br />
The incarnation of God through His Son Jesus Christ is one of the basic teachings of the Bible. The Bible states that “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1:14), “Christ Jesus… was made in the likeness of men” (Philippians 2:5-7).<br />
The idea of evolution undermines this foundation of our salvation. Evolutionist &#8211;christian scientist&#8211; Hoimar von Ditfurth discusses the incompatibility of Jesus&#8217; incarnation and evolutionary thought: “Consideration of evolution inevitably forces us to a critical review… of Christian formulations. This clearly holds for the central Christian concept of the &#8216;incarnation&#8217; of God… ”<br />
(christiananswers)<br />
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<p>so all righteous christians &amp; muslims &amp; jews and others, let us come together then, and let us get united<br />
under one true God (the God of moses &amp; jesus &amp; david &amp; muhammad) and let us not be duped by this false<br />
anti-reality and anti-evolutionary gnostic &amp; evangelical FALSE MESSIAH (= Messiah Dajjaal &amp; Anti Christ) ideologies.</p>
<p>let us worship God alone, like moses and jesus and david and muhammed have all worshipped Him alone. and let us thank our God for His these Realistic &amp; Evolutionary wonderful creations, and let us know that only our God is totally immune from all kind of evolution from all past-eternities and to all future-eternities.</p>
<p>and lastly, i want to give here some of Jesus&#8217; (= the honorable Servant of God) words which condemns all erroneous believers who falsely claim that he was &#8220;God incarnate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jesus said: why do you call me good? no one is good but God alone. (Mark 10/18)</p>
<p>(** so Jesus himself here humbly &amp; clearly accepted and stated that he was neither &#8220;good&#8221; nor &#8220;God.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Jesus said: many will say to me on that day: lord, lord, did we not prophesy in your name, did we not drive out demons in your name, did we not do mighty deeds in your name?<br />
then i will declare to them solemnly: i never knew you. depart from me, you evildoers! (Matthew 6/22-23)</p>
<p>(** anti-reality and anti-evolutionary gnostic &amp; evangelical minds &#8211;as we examined above a little bit&#8211; and the ones who walk in their footsteps may certainly be among these evildoers. yes, perhaps they are the real evildoers, aren&#8217;t they?)</p>
<p>take care, again. salaam.</p>
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		<title>By: joe morreale</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3490</link>
		<dc:creator>joe morreale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/#comment-3490</guid>
		<description>Moses
By the way even if you had all the time in the world you would never be able to prove evolution and meet all the points that i have raised concerning it. There has been no evidence found for it whatsoever and it is only being kept alive by means of deception/propaganda.Once someone is informed about it it is no longer possible to sincerely believe in it any more.IT IS ALL OVER. And it is becoming tedious to have to keep on repeating myself. At the end of the day you can take a horse to the water but you can't make it drink.
Regarding the issue of matter again i am going to present to you further scientific evidence via the admissions of atheist/materialist/evolutionist scientists themselves:
George Berkeley - "At the beginning, it was beleived that colors, odors,etc, 'really exist', but subsequently such views were renounced, and it was seen that they only exist in dependence on our sensations."
Including your Hoimar V Dit - "No matter how we put the argument, the result doesn't change. What stands before us in full shape and what are eyes view is not the "world". It is only its image, a resemblance, a projection whose association with the original is open to discussion."
For obvious reasons (pschological) they are reluctant to admit that this  reality is  the Soul.
A British revert scientist to Islam Dr Arthur J Alison , the head of the department of Elect and Elect engineering said having done studies via electrical and electronic instruments(parapschology) he concluded that 'something' i.e the soul leaves the body during sleep and returns to when waking. This is yet(and he points this out)  another scientific miracle of the Qu'ran 39:42 which again parallels modern scientific discoveries.
My Brother if you were ignorant and misinformed regarding all these scientific evidences which have ruined and killed evolution this excuse is no longer available to you. Especially in  your regard to your absurd saying that the Qu'ran supports evolution.
Wasalaam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moses<br />
By the way even if you had all the time in the world you would never be able to prove evolution and meet all the points that i have raised concerning it. There has been no evidence found for it whatsoever and it is only being kept alive by means of deception/propaganda.Once someone is informed about it it is no longer possible to sincerely believe in it any more.IT IS ALL OVER. And it is becoming tedious to have to keep on repeating myself. At the end of the day you can take a horse to the water but you can&#8217;t make it drink.<br />
Regarding the issue of matter again i am going to present to you further scientific evidence via the admissions of atheist/materialist/evolutionist scientists themselves:<br />
George Berkeley - &#8220;At the beginning, it was beleived that colors, odors,etc, &#8216;really exist&#8217;, but subsequently such views were renounced, and it was seen that they only exist in dependence on our sensations.&#8221;<br />
Including your Hoimar V Dit - &#8220;No matter how we put the argument, the result doesn&#8217;t change. What stands before us in full shape and what are eyes view is not the &#8220;world&#8221;. It is only its image, a resemblance, a projection whose association with the original is open to discussion.&#8221;<br />
For obvious reasons (pschological) they are reluctant to admit that this  reality is  the Soul.<br />
A British revert scientist to Islam Dr Arthur J Alison , the head of the department of Elect and Elect engineering said having done studies via electrical and electronic instruments(parapschology) he concluded that &#8217;something&#8217; i.e the soul leaves the body during sleep and returns to when waking. This is yet(and he points this out)  another scientific miracle of the Qu&#8217;ran 39:42 which again parallels modern scientific discoveries.<br />
My Brother if you were ignorant and misinformed regarding all these scientific evidences which have ruined and killed evolution this excuse is no longer available to you. Especially in  your regard to your absurd saying that the Qu&#8217;ran supports evolution.<br />
Wasalaam</p>
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