Yes, I’ve seen them in Islamic bookshops too. It’s the mass mailing part I wanted to stress here. He seems to go country by country, sending hundreds of copies to schools and universities for free.

I have read this big red book and I have to admit that I’m trully amazed by what it presents as an opposition to Darwin’s theory. It demonstrates million year old fossils of creatures that remained unchanged. It is crystal clear to the eye that there have been no evolutionary process as it is propagated in the school books. I am really stunned and got embarrassed for my lack of ability to see such a definite fact till now. I
think the author deserves a huge applause for the courage, confidence, wisdom and intelligence he performs. Sending these books to the countries suffering from the pleague of Darwinism is a nobel and compassionate attitude when that the fight for survival leads many into a life of misery and sadness is considered.

Thanks Adnan Oktar for all his books and effort against darwinism. As we all know that darwinism is the cause of all the wars, disasters in the world, his ideological struggle against darwinism prooves that he is very valuable for all the people in the world. In his book “Atlas of Creation” there are hundreds of fossil photos that are all prooves of creation of God. This fact may not panic some, this may make people happy.

It is rather telling for me when Turker posting above mentions materialism. The fact is that anti-evolutionary positions which base themselves on the defense of “divinely revealed” religion are beginning from a biased position. Evolution has nothing to do with the belief in Muslims, Christians and Jews in a God, it is simply a scientific observation. As noted above, it does indeed strengthen the materialist position, which is really what is at issue for religious individuals. However, those who “dominate the world” are not materialists. George Bush is an evanglist who opposes evolution and in fact there are no atheists leading any of the most powerful nations. Religion has always served privileged individuals such as the clergy and aristocracy, the status quo and property rights. It is on the side of those who “dominate the world system,” not the common people whom religion is addressed to.

Really great to have a different perspective out.
Darwinism/Evolution should not be taught in schools as a fact but should be taught as a POSSIBILITY, just like the other possibilities like Creationism.

Alas, Man is too arrogant to submit and believe in God.

I am shocked and appalled by the lack of intellectual knowledge of the posters before me. How can you guys link evolution a scientific theory (Theory means the highest order of scientific knowledge) with that of Creationism, and then try an say to other readers that EVOLUTION causes wars… like hello people I can point to nearly every country within the world and show one force that has used religion to justify destroying another. Yet were in the history of man has EVOLUTION been used to kill others.

PS, don’t even try feed me that crap about Hitler being an evolutionist. For one He gassed and killed Jews because when he served in World War 1 it was Jewish officers and the High command who let Germany fall to the Allies. THAT is why he killed them all through world war 2 not because he was an evolutionist. LEARN your history, and for Christ (<- Yes I said it) sake learn some bloody Science.

Hey! What gives? I’m in a major Scottish university, and I didn’t get a copy of that book. Are they avoiding me? Am I being expelled from the inside movement to debunk Darwin, even before I had a chance to join? I cleared all the sciencey books (and even most of the peer-reviewed journals) from my coffee table in anticipation, and still no book . . .

Thanks, Marrie. I know I can download it, but you say yourself that the production value of the book is wonderful. If it is truly as good as you say, then it hardly matters whether the evidence it presents in support of a new synthesis of species change is even true. I do love a new book . . . the crack of the spine the first time it is opened, the smell of the ink, turning pages to find claim after claim I just know I will want to believe. And to think that this one book is bold enough, brave enough, and well, just great enough, to overturn 150 years of biological research . . . wow. Just wow.

Except for one thing. It’s hardly anything, really, just a minor point. That bit about transitional fossils that you refer to might need a little revision. You see, there’s this:

Edward B. Daeschler, Neil H. Shubin and Farish A. Jenkins, Jr (6 April 2006). A Devonian tetrapod-like fish and the evolution of the tetrapod body plan. Nature 440: 757–763.

And this:
Gingerich, P.D., B.H. Smith, & E.L. Simons. 1990. Hind limb of Eocene Basilosaurus: evidence of feet in whales. Science 249:154-156.

Oh, and this:
Rose, K.D., and Bown, T.M. 1984. Gradual phyletic evolution at the generic level in early Eocene omomyid primates. Nature 309:250-252.

And, well, you see the point. I keep trying to plug my ears and close my eyes and stamp my feet, but the pesky science just won’t go away. I hope your book makes it go away. It’s really hard, learning and reading and stuff. It would be so much easier to go to science meetings, and if I give a presentation and someone stands up to say I might be wrong, I could say no way, cause God did it. How could anyone argue with THAT?

Probably the most humorous aspect of Oktar “brilliant work of science” is that some of the pictures are of fishing lures. After copies arrived in America, someone noticed the pictures looked really familiar. Turns out they were pictures of small fishing lures. So, all of you enjoy the science presented by Oktar. I won’t waste the time of addressing all the other foolishness presented by his “book”

Dear Mac,
I feel just the same about smelling and reading a new book beleive me. You would love Atlas in that way.Why dont you e-mail this request to http://www.harunyahya.org site they will probably send you one Atlas.
About the samples you refer as transitinal forms, it is proved by scientific explainations that they are not. I suggest you should take a look at this link:http://www.darwinism-watch.com/inde x.php You will find a lot of scientific explanations about this subject. I beleive if look at the subject from this point of view, no one can stand up saying you are wrong by saying there are transitional forms.
Boncourage,
Marrie

Dear Mac,
I dont really understand how come you say relegious to the scientific explanations on this site..strange..
Ok forget about it all…It’s obvious you believe in the exsistence of so called transistional forms, I can not do anything about it unfortunately…
But tell me…How can you explain, how can a single proteine be formed?Can it be formed by chance? The scientists say no.(Not me, not relegious sources but the scientists themselves).Robert Shapiro, a professor of chemistry at New York University and a DNA expert, calculated the probability of the coincidental formation of the 2000 types of proteins found in a single bacterium (There are 200,000 different types of proteins in a human cell). The number that was found was 1 over 1040000.110 (This is an incredible number obtained by putting 40,000 zeros after the 1).
So I beleive I have done my homework well all my life. I believe God created everything,every living creature and my heart is full of satisfaction cause sciences proves God as well.
Rgds,
Marrie

Looks like evidence points to rampant bioengineering of humans and possibly other species, like the dog and cow (to provide food and companianship). This bioengineering was by some alien species who came here for whatever reason and evidently they did not remain. It is quite possible that this species also was capable of time travel, else why go through the trouble of bioengineering us and then leaving us. However, lets say that for some reason the aliens could not stay, and left a kind of manual for us to follow so that we could stay healthy. Make it a ‘bible’ and make us susceptible to ‘religions’ so we would not ask too many questions. Religions are quite easy to keep ‘pure’ as fanatics will see that this is done. What easier way to keep us from eating an animal whose DNA might have been used to engineer us from chimpanzee root stock…the pig. Simply call it ‘unclean’ in the so called ‘holy book’ and make it a rule not to eat it, as germs habituated to it can so easily habituate to us. It is in our common DNA and that of the pig. No one can find the original bible, nor make any determination of its author(s)…lost in history is as good an excuse as any. But we are talking about new stone age peoples being able to come up with a writing system when they had not done so for hundreds of thousands of years. No, we were made by people, people from another world much like our own, about ten thousand to thirteen thousand years ago, probably somewhere in present day Turkmenistan or the old Black Sea basin when it was a fresh water lake in a glaciated world with low sea levels. No one can find if the so called bibical Abraham or Noah or anyone ever really lived. Even Simcha Jacobovici cannot find the original bible, and he has looked hard for it and has access to sources all over the middle east. The only other possibility is that the original laboratory that created us, the so called ‘garden of eden’, is in a warm place like present day Kenya or the Sudan. Kenyan peoples have the oldest DNA in the world, pointing to a time in our species history when we were reduced to a population of less than a very few, a population bottleneck brought on by the supervolcano Toba seventy four thousand years ago. Possibly our engineers went there to find biologically diverse root stock to create a more viable ‘us’. The idea of using a ‘rib’ to create a woman refers to common recombinant DNA practices. The bible even TELLS us that. Then the idea of ‘other people’ in the world points to unmodified people being able to breed with the new race with the children of those unions being possessed of the new genetic makeup as a dominant over the ‘original rootstock. This is also in the bible when the children of the original ‘couple’ found mates seemingly ‘out of nowhere’. Religious folks of all flavors cringe at questions about this and have no answer. The only question is why the aliens did not stay to take advantage of the labor force they created? Will they return to collect some day? How advanced were they really, as we are even now able to do some of the things that they did?
When we do meet some aliens, we are going to be surprised that they will not meet our expectations of being all knowing. Rather they will be people like us. We might even be able to mate. After all, it is our common DNA. Evolution is confirmed, only it did not happen on our planet alone.

Dear Mac,
Mr. Oktar is not lying but only showing the truths.My life has changed once I knew his books.He is such a sincere person,it is obvious from his books from the interwievs I have seen on youtube.You may just write Adnan Oktar on youtube search and you will find his interwievs.
You comment in a subjectif way what I told when I said he “explains in a simple way so that everyone could understand”.Thanks to him,everybody can see what a foolish fairy tale is evolution.But also, thanks to him there are lots of scientists who found God.Atlas is being read all over the world.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk  /article673663.ece, or Mr.Sarkozy’s new approach to religion are all the echos…
I know that we wont be able to convince each other.As a Muslim, my duty is to “only tell what I believe is truth” the rest is up to you.One single cell,one single eye or a simple bacteria whip or a fossil of 500 billion years of a trilobit eye are enough for me to know that evolution has never occured.The Piltdown scandal, the Nebraska Man scandal are enough to see the forgeries of the evolutionnists.I beleive that “The only reason that Darwin’s theory is still defended despite its obvious refutation by science is the close link between that theory and materialism.Douglas Futuyma, wrote: “Together with Marx’s materialistic theory of history… Darwin’s theory of evolution was a crucial plank in the platform of mechanism and materialism.” This is a very clear admission of why the theory of evolution is really so important to its defenders.”
I would finish by a conclusion with a paragraph from http://www.evolutiondeceit.com : The conclusion to be drawn from such pronouncements is that evolution is not a theory arrived at through scientific investigation. On the contrary, the form and substance of this theory were dictated by the requirements of materialistic philosophy. It then turned into a belief or dogma in spite of concrete scientific facts. Again, we can clearly see from evolutionist literature that all of this effort has a “purpose”-and that purpose requires maintaining, at no matter what cost, that living things were not created.

Evolutionists define this purpose as “scientific”. However, what they refer to is not science but materialist philosophy. Materialism absolutely rejects the existence of anything “beyond” matter (or of anything supernatural). Science itself is not obliged to accept such a dogma. Science means exploring nature and deriving conclusions from one’s findings. If these findings lead to the conclusion that nature is created, science has to accept it. That is the duty of a true scientist; not defending impossible scenarios by clinging to the outdated materialist dogmas of the 19th century.

All the best

PS1: By the way I am not French but my French is better than my english….
PS2: Did you explain on any of your comments above “how a single protein can be formed by chance” or maybe I didn’t see it

Marrie,
Do you have any idea how dangerous it can be to follow the words of a charismatic person? Unless you actually study biology yourself, it’s insane to take the word of a religious figure on the reality of biology.

You refer to the dogma of the 19th century. Let me ask you this: Can you imagine a physicist saying he only knows about Newton, but not the work that has taken place since then? Would you want your doctor to follow Hippocrates, but ignore modern medical knowledge? Marrie, no modern biologist works within a purely “Darwinian” framework today. Darwin’s ideas got some important developments going, but if he were here today, he wouldn’t recognize the field of biology.

Nobody in biology today thinks a protein could be formed by chance. To understand how a protein came to be, it would be necessary to know what it’s environment was like, what kind of selective pressures were present.

Finally: Materialism is a methodology, not a philosophy or world view for scientists. Science can only talk about claims that it can test. If the claim is that “god did it” then science is simply silent on that issue. It might make you feel nice to think god is so generous, so thoughtful, so concerned for your personal well-being. That’s fine, maybe you derive a lot of satisfaction from your beliefs, and I would not want to take that away from you. But if our goal is to understand a biological process, we must rely only on material explanations. If we allow “god did it” as an explanation for some biological detail, then we have nothing to help us understand the actual mechanisms at work. We would have no hope of developing new drugs, of curing disease.

The only one here who is clinging to outdated dogmas is Oktar, who wants you to follow a medieval philosophy that stops all enquiry and requires you to believe him, without any way to independently test his claims.

Yes, i saw this book in our school library, too. It was wonderful. I read this book and other books of Harun Yahya and i am still reading. and visited http://www.harunyahya.com . his works are really wonderful. I recommend everyone to see his web site and read his books.

Janny, can you tell us where your school is and whether it is a Muslim school? It seems that many schools in Europe — state schools, for the most part — confiscate the copies when they arrive and don’t let them be put in the library for all to see.

Tom Heneghan, are you a student? if so, didnt you see this book in your library? i heart from my other friends that, they saw this book in their libraries or in their teacher’s room. they said that even their evolutionist teachers dont get out this book from their room. they keep it. and this is evidence that this book is too much affective.

Dear Mac,

i think you are in contrast. first you say protein couldnt be formed by chance and then you say evolution. The chances of a protein molecule forming by chance are 1 in 10^950. In practical terms that figure means “zero probability.” so what does it mean? it means: God created everything. this is said by Newton, Einstein vs. Aren’t they scientific?

i recommend you to read Harun Yahya’s books without prejudgement. you will see the details in his books. you dont have to buy them. you can read them free from http://www.harunyahya.com .

Dear Rauf
I am glad to say that I totally agree with you.Thank you for reminding the beautiful verses of the Coran and letting us see another “scientific explanation” of the Creation.
Best rgrds,

Rauf:

It is ironic that you allude to Broca’s and Wernicke’s areas. That happens to be my area of scientific expertise. I get your point, and it is well made. But like all analogies, it only works up to a point. Broca’s area does far more than provide motor control to speech, and Wernicke’s is not the sole brain site responsible for the representation of meanings.

I do not disagree that wisdom and knowledge are different and complementary domains, and that one without the other is seriously handicapped. Where we disagree is in how we believe humans can acquire either knowledge or wisdom.

Now, I cannot say for certain that there is no supernatural creator, or god, or whatever. But I do think that the probability of such a supernatural entity is almost zero. Bronze age (Christian) and medieval (Muslim) stories are entertaining and historically interesting, and they may even be sources of knowledge and wisdom, of sorts. But even if there is a supernatural being, scientists can’t do science if their explanations rely on untestable events (like god reaching down and somehow changing the morphology of Broca’s area). It may be true, but there’s no way to know, in the way that scientists use the word “know.”

Dear Marrie,

before I forget:

Francis Collins may believe in God, but still considers evolution as a fact:

According WIkipedia:

In Collins’ book The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief (published in July 2006), he considers scientific discoveries an “opportunity to worship.” In his book Collins examines and subsequently rejects creationism and Intelligent Design. His own belief system is Theistic Evolution (TE) which he prefers to term BioLogos.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Col lins_%28geneticist%29#Religious_views_an d_debates

I don’t care if people do or do not believe in God. However, I do care about truth in science.

With regards,

Jack

Dear Mac,
Thank you for all the information. Believe me I will check the sources you gave me.

As a Muslim I believe that God wants us to investigate and reflect upon everything….the heavens, the earth, mountains, stars, plants, seeds, animals, the creation of man, the rain and many other created things. And by examining these, thanks to Allah, I come to recognize the artistry of God’s creation in the world around me.
Islam is the religion of reason and conscience. A person recognizes the truth proclaimed by God through the use of his wisdom, and derives conclusions from the truth he has seen by following his conscience. A person using his reason and conscience, upon examining the features of any given object in the universe, even though he is not an expert in such matters, -just like me- would understand that it was created by a Possessor of great Wisdom, Knowledge and Might.

Therefore, once I make use of my reason and follow my conscience, it quickly apprehends the absurdity of the claim that the world came into being by chance. That’s what I believe.
I just wish to see you understand that my belief in God is not a belief with “eyes shot” nor under the impression of Mr. Oktar, but I follow the science, derive my conclusions from the obvious facts and proofs and than I conclude with God.

The Prophet Muhammad, God’s Messenger,( peace be upon him) also enjoined people to acquire knowledge. He even stressed that it is our obligation to search for knowledge. He said in a Ahâdîth:
“Seeking of knowledge is incumbent upon every Muslim” or “Acquire the knowledge and impart it to the people.”

I love science and reading about it and the more I read the more it directs me to the proofs of Creation.

I would like to underline once more that the religion encourages scientific study. Just as Albert Einstein said, one of the greatest scientists of the 20th century, “science without religion is lame”, which is to say, that science, unguided by religion, cannot proceed correctly, but rather, wastes much time in achieving certain results, and worse, is often inconclusive.

Here is only one of the millions of examples of the scientists who believe in Creation:

“Dr. Fritz Schaefer is the Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry, and the director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry, at the University of Georgia. He has been nominated for the Nobel Prize, and was recently cited as the third most quoted chemist in the world. Schaefer, a believing scientist, aspires to better know God through his scientific pursuits. As he puts it:
The significance and joy in my science comes in the occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to myself, ‘So that’s how God did it!’(US News & World Report, December 23, 1991)
Kind regards and thanks for this instructive chat.
Marrie

Hello Marrie,

I appreciate your taking the time to explain –very eloquently, I might add — the depth of feeling you have about knowledge and religion.

I have a couple of comments in response.

You wrote:
“A person using his reason and conscience, upon examining the features of any given object in the universe, even though he is not an expert in such matters, -just like me- would understand that it was created by a Possessor of great Wisdom, Knowledge and Might.”

To a scientist, this is a religious statement, not a scientific one. That does not mean it is wrong, simply that it is not addressing knowledge, or the conclusions one can draw from observation about the world, in the way that science does. My point is that using your reason and conscious may lead you to stand in awe of a creator, but that is not evidence for or against a creationist account of origins.

You wrote:
“Therefore, once I make use of my reason and follow my conscience, it quickly apprehends the absurdity of the claim that the world came into being by chance. That’s what I believe.”

No scientist I know claims to know how the world came into being. There are a few ideas, based on observations about the rate of expansion of the universe and other facts, but so far no one has produce a definitive account.

If you are referring to evolution, there are two points I would make. First, evolution theory makes no claims at all about the origin of the universe, or the beginning of life (that is a different field, called abiogenesis). Rather, it provides an evidentiary (naturalistic) account of how species adapt and change over time. Second, no one claims that chance is the force behind evolution. It may play a small role (spontaneous mutations, for example), but there are recent ideas that explain those biological events better than chance, so its role seems to be receding more. Natural selection has nothing to do with chance.

You wrote:
” . . . science, unguided by religion, cannot proceed correctly, but rather, wastes much time in achieving certain results, and worse, is often inconclusive.”

Marrie, this reflects a common misunderstanding of science. Science is almost never conclusive. The phrase I hear most from scientists is “we don’t know yet.” Even when we have solid evidence that helps fill in the big picture, we still can’t say we are certain. That is not a failure of science. Consider: Science is open to change, if any new facts come forward. In contrast, religion does not change, regardless of facts.

Which system of knowledge would you want to lead in the search for wisdom?

I quite agree that the natural world inspires awe. When I see a patient recover with the help of our cumulative understanding of treatment, some social, some physical, some chemical, much of which is based on biology which is in turn informed at its core by evolutionary theory, I am also in awe of our species. We’ve learned how to learn, how to turn our knowledge and the world’s resources to our advantage, We have a lot to learn still.

My concern is that if we look at the wonders of the world, and conclude that god did it, that is a science-stopper. No more need to explore, we have our explanation. End of story. Sorry if that touches on religious sensibilities.

Mac,

I’m with you all the way. I now work at a big Scottish university after having worked at a big English university, and my coffee table is somewhat underwhelmed with Atlases of Creation too. Even more annoyingly, two of my friends got copies sent to them, but I didn’t. :o(

Have you actually seen this book? I have, and I have to say it is a beauty - and it’s HUGE. You don’t need a coffee table for it… just put some legs on it and it IS a coffee table, but with more pictures. The download version is, by contrast, a let down. The version my friends got is a giant, fabric-covered hardback book, which not only could you rest a coffee cup on, it would also do a pretty good job of absorbing any spillages too. But don’t rush out and buy it just yet. Perhaps Mr. Yahya will track us down and fill our pigeon holes with our own spanking-new copies of this tome?

Mars,

From your description, sounds like I may need to build an extension on my pigeonhole for this book. But in anticipation, I think I\’ll stop by Ikea on the way home later and check out science-themed table legs.

Dear Marc,
Apologies for i hadn’t yet finished submitted it early by accident.
As i was saying the verse is saying to those who do not believe in Almighty GOD ‘How can you still insist in unbelief? You thought ’science’ offered you a way out but well here you go…
In other words there is no justification scientific or otherwise for not believing in God and creation.
This of course adds more in exploding the myth that science and religion are not compatable. This nothing but a disgracefull sinister DECEPTION.
For more info on the miraculous scientific nature of the Qu’ran see what many scientists (non-muslim)have admitted regarding it by typing ’scienceislam.com’

marc
it is amazing! It is not hiting home the FACT that science is under no obbligation to be materialistic. It is an examination of the workings of nature from which one (you don’t have to a scientist either - reason alone is sufficient) can derive conclusions. The conclusion is whether one likes it or not that science in the 2nd half of 20th century and particularly from the 80’s onwards has cleary proven that creation is FACT.
like i said because of it’s ideological concerns (materialism) it is being kept deceptively on the agenda
but it can only continue to deceive those who are either lazy to do the research or agree with it out of ignorance or as often is the case - convenience.
One cannot be compelled to believe but what can be said clearly is that one who doesn’t is doing so in VAIN and like i said out of wishfull thinking.
Why do they not allow creationism theory alongside darwinism to be taught in schools etc and allow people to make up their own minds. The answer is simple: - people on mass will clearly see through the deception and the majority of people cannot be subjected to social darwinist (conciously or subconciously) indoctrination which leads to the breakdown of family values, morals etc and as a result the so-called ‘democracy’ based systems where the few control the majority will collapse.
they will not allow this to happen as they have worked for centuries behind the scenes to get it to this point ( the architects of current world order are the freemasons)
The real enemies of humanity are not a few reactionary extremistists or fanatics or others that are not following the religion properly but atheism and materialism and those currently in power who continuosly work to that end.
By the way history has clearly shown the achievements (scientific also!) of muslims when they were at the height of their civilization. The reason for the subsequent decline is in the fact that they were no longer in general adhering and practicing the religion as they used to. The external factors like the rising of the europeans via their americas discoveries and colonialism, came to bear on the muslims for this reason.
In case people think it was simply a matter of having fallen behind etc i will give you a tremendous example from history:- The arabs before the advent of islam were a very backward people with no real worthy achievements to their name. All of a sudden in no time they became a massive sophisticated civilazation that for eg took europe out of the dark ages! And despite being inferior numerically and militarily (technologically and in terms of experience they toppled 2 ’superpowers’ of that age, the centuries old byzantine and persian empires.
HOW?! Historians avoid or downplay this but the answer is obvious - the word of God the final testament the Qu’ran and the example of the Prophet Muhammad (saaws)
did it. And not to far off in the future it is destined to happen again and who will be the beneficiaries of this? The Whole World! do not worry as it will not be happening at the hands of fanatics or terrorists but real genuine Muslims who are going to recapture the spirit that was the driving force before.
In the end as always Truth always overcomes falsehood, it is the nature of things.
All praise and thanks is due to Almighty God alone

Marc
The point i am making is that science is an investigative tool which can be used to prove the basic truth of religion i.e that God most certainly exists and that He is the creator. Like i said Scientific evidence has established this.
Now those who hide this and try to keep it away from the masses are those who control the banks, scientific journals, academia, media etc. Do some research into the subject and wake up.
I will try to simply it for you:- science has clearly borne out the fact of Creation and many scientists know this but are reluctant to admit it and certainly do not want others to know about it. They have conditioned themselves to not believe in an Almighty Creator and are blindly attached to materialism which prevents them from seeing the manifest and irrefutable and conclusive proof despite the fact that scientists are in the best position to witness the truth. And hence going back to the verse ‘will you then not believe?’ i.e HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY YOUR UNBELEIF?

Take it from an evolutionary biologist: That SOME species haven’t changed visibly in a very, very long time does NOT contradict evolutionary theory. Under certain common circumstances there will only be selective pressure to stay the same (termed stabilizing selection). This is no mystery, and showing lots of these examples with pretty pictures does not disprove evolution.

Also, let me reiterate one fact about The Atlas of Creation: some of those pictures of living animals are FISHING LURES! There are several pictures where you can spot the hook to catch the fish on. These pictures are stolen from a website selling them for fishing (copyright infringement) - and this is what Oktar uses in his vain attempt to disprove evolution.

marc
apologies i was responding Bjorn Ostman

marc,
There is only one revelation in existance today that has remained intact and escaped corruption at the hands of man and has been proven historically too in fullfilment
of a promise made by God himself. That Book is the last and final testament to mankind The Holy Qu’ran’
In this Book there are dozens of SCIENTIFIC miracles which precede ESTABLISHED (evolution obviously not beeing one of them and as we know conclusively never can be) modern scientific findings by well…only 12 to 1400 years! Go and verify it for yourself like for example the admissions of Non-Muslim scientists perhaps even atheists to its Divine Origin on ’scienceislam.com’
Have you done this? And if you have how much heartache did it cause you? But perhaps you will conclude in line with your wishfull thinking and false hopes that it is chance or coincidence! After all the evolutionists/materialist mindset lends itself this way.
This miraculous Book tells you to beleive in ONE GOD ONLY and that His proper Name is ALLAH. End of.
Your insistence about the so-called fishing lures like i said is a vain attempt in avoiding the facts. Try responding to the book by countering it with hundreds of
transitional fossils pictures. You full well know that it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE. Like my Sister Marie said earlier there would have been volumes on the scale of the Encylopedia Brittanica! The fact that there clearly isn’t and can NEVER be means that you should stop clutching at straws with this fishing lure business.
Come to terms with the fact that the theory of evolution intellectually is over with and accept the evident fact of creation. This truth will eventually become official as the people in control will not be in power for ever.
Many scientists now know this and through the works of people like Adnan Oktar more and more people are becoming aware of the deception. Anyone (including yourself) who comes across such works can no longer sincerely and objectively still believe in this sinister fairy tale and if they do it is a vain endeavour because they will have no intellectual grounds in which to do so. They will be like i said in submission to their whims and desires instead of Almighty God in which they should be and in which SCIENCE also conclusively points them to.
By the way i thought you said you were not an atheist?

Dear Joe,

Responding to the book by countering it with hundreds of
transitional fossils pictures?

It was done once, without the help of a glossy book:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-tran sitional.html

And another time, with sound and vision:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p= 5F6E733EFD1D2E42

Regards,,
Jack

Joe,
You wrote:
“Go and verify it for yourself like for example the admissions of Non-Muslim scientists perhaps even atheists to its Divine Origin on ’scienceislam.com’
Have you done this?”

Yes. I had a good look around the site.

” And if you have how much heartache did it cause you?”

Uh, none.

The “scienceislam” site simply preaches, it does not prove anything. For that, evidence is necessary. And it is rife with errors. One example:

“There is a popular theory referred to as the ‘Big Bang’ theory. It tries to explain the existence of the universe in an evolutionary manner having an initial beginning with an immense explosion of some gases or solid mass.”

The ‘Big Bang’ theory has nothing to do with evolution. Darwin never said anything about the origins of the universe. That is a field with physics called cosmology.

With such basic, school-child errors on the big issues, how can you take anything they say about science seriously?

I don’t understand how you can so easily overlook the fact that Oktar stole some of the images he used in his book. Is theft ok in Islam? If not, why do defend it?

marc and jack
That site contains the admissions of several scientists
who were probably not overjoyed and also reluctant to do so but in a stunning show of objectivity did so.
The reason why i mention the Big Bang is because it rules out any possibility of CHANCE at the outset long before talking about how living things came about on earth.
As for the fact that the Qu’ran doen’t mention transitional fossils, dna etc it doesn’t need to because God says He created every living thing and for the umpteenth time this is exactly what the fossil record has borne out to the dismay and humiliation of those who had or continue to have false hopes!
And preaching the TRUTH is surely a better thing to do than preaching FALSEHOOD which cleary Evil-ution! has been shown to be.
Now i have already said that even if one allows that several of those pictures might be fake , what about the rest of the hundreds of examples? The point has truly and firmly been made and your attempts to focus on a few alleged fishing lures cleary shows the desperate and hopeless situation you find yourselves in. It is nothing but trying to divert attention from the FACTS which is that evolution is a scientifically proven fallacy.
Harun Yayha has over 200 books so is it plausible that there is not a single or even a few mistakes possibly in them?! The main theme of his books is to prove the false and sinister deceptions of evolution and the SOLID FACT of CREATION. This he has unquestionably done so and no attempt at refutation can meet with success in this regard. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE so stop clutching at straws - you are only humiliating yourselves.
And about that devonian fossil you keep on insisting and thumbsucking on about - Do me a favour?!

“No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it: it is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise. “Kuran(metareading) 41 Fussilat 42

The vision that comes first to mind in all researches, the fundamental point is the position of this vision.
If one located on the right (west), we do not see what is happening to the left (east) and even just in the middle, there is a risk of making bad choices, make decisions inappropriate ; the problem remains in the consequences

The more moderated, more cautious, more reasonable at the center ; in a high position, on planet Earth, in his Monadology Leibniz(1716) described such a position at home or city of God.
City of god in Old Testament built by Abraham(peace upon him):” And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, aUnto thy bseed will I give this cland: and there builded he an daltar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him. And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the east of aBeth-el, and pitched his tent, having bBeth-el on the west, and cHai on the east: and there he builded an altar unto the LORD, and dcalled upon the ename of the LORD.”O.T genesis12(7-9).In Kuran(Metareading) it the position where you can be testimony on humans:”He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the religion of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims(submitted, secured), both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind!”Kuran 22The Pilgrimage (Al-Hajj) -78the bible confirm this verset:
” And this a gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for