Comments on: Short-lived scoop on Vatican changing laws on sex abuse http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: klatu http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-23902 Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:39:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/#comment-23902 The squalls of accumulating scandal besetting the roman catholic church will look like a mere trifle compared to the storm that is shortly coming. For these growing, worldwide sexual scandals are only setting the stage for the ‘churches’ worst nightmare: the questioning of it’s very origins! And that has already begun on the web. Not by any atheist ravings, but with first wholly new interpretation for 2000 years of the Gospel/moral teachings of Christ. Redefining all primary elements including Faith, the Word, Law, Baptism, the Trinity and the Resurrection. This is not reformation but revolution. We may very well come to ‘remember’ the church as two thousands years of hubris, intellectual, theological self deception and a counterfeit copy of revealed truth. http://www.energon.org.uk  This ‘storm’ will look like a mere trifle compared to what is shortly coming. For this growing sexual scandal is only setting the stage for the ‘churches’ worst nightmare. The questioning of it’s very origins and that has already begun on the web. Not by any atheist ravings, but with first wholly new interpretation for 2000 years of the Gospel/moral teachings of Christ. Redefining all primary elements including Faith, the Word, Law, Baptism, the Trinity  and the Resurrection. This is not reformation but revolution. We may very well come to ‘remember’ the church as two thousands years of hubris, intellectual, theological self deception and a counterfeit copy of revealed truth! http://www.energon.org.uk  This ‘storm’ will look like a mere trifle compared to what is shortly coming. For this growing sexual scandal is only setting the stage for the ‘churches’ worst nightmare. The questioning of it’s very origins and that has already begun on the web. Not by any atheist ravings, but with first wholly new interpretation for 2000 years of the Gospel/moral teachings of Christ. Redefining all primary elements including Faith, the Word, Law, Baptism, the Trinity  and the Resurrection. This is not reformation but revolution. We may very well come to ‘remember’ the church as two thousands years of hubris, intellectual, theological self deception and a counterfeit copy of revealed truth! http://www.energon.org.uk  

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By: Rev. Mr. James Charlie http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-3148 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:51:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/#comment-3148 I am an Alaska Native (Yup’ik) from Nelson Island and I was ordained into deaconate on November 23, 1985. I serve as one of the two deacons in my community. My wife and I are blessed with 5 children and 4 adopted. We are also blessed with 27 grandchildren and 2 great grand sons.Although I was not near the Holy Father on his recent journey to United States, I am touched, and yet ashamed, of the past priests who have abused our brothers and sisters in faith. It may well happen again and the only solution that I can think of is the question of celebacy. If the Catholic Church could allow married priests, it would hopefully improve the situation we are facing.Many of us would also be Native Priests in Alaska where shortage of priest is very much experienced. Right now, we have only five priests that serves what we call Yukon/Kuskokwim Delta as visiting priests. Thank you.

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By: Tom Heneghan http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-3055 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:11:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/#comment-3055 To Thomas Cahill, thanks for several interesting comments. I agree with you that Jack’s comment equating the pope and Saddam Hussein is over the top. We do moderate comments but we try to do it as lightly as possible, weeding out spam, pornographic comments and libelous ad hominem attacks. The pope is a public figure and as such fair game for strong commentary, even if I do not agree with it. We usually have a more informed debate here and I was struck by how emotional some of the responses were.As for pedophilia, ephebophilia and homosexuality, I think you’re reading too much into this to say we are afraid of a backlash from homosexual readers and their allies. I neither know nor care how many readers are homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, metrosexual or asexual. That’s not the point. And I, like you, know the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia and agree the latter is the more precise term. But pedophilia is the term that has come to be associated with this scandal. When speaking about this issue, that is the word all but a tiny minority of readers will use. It’s like the term “heartburn.” It has nothing to do with the heart, as doctors I know insist, but that’s the word people use. This is what’s behind our use of the term, not anything else.

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By: Thomas Cahill http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-3044 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:21:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/#comment-3044 When a matter is as grave as the molestation of minors by a trusted representative of God it is important that everything brought up in our discussions be rigorously true insofar as the truth can be established. The truth will last the test of time. Some truths are unbearable but must be borne such that justice can be done. In that spirit note the following: Pedophilia is the sexual molestation of a child before they have reached puberty. Cruelty itself. Ephebophilia, no less cruel and disgusting, is applied to minors after puberty. The very great majority (95+% from best independent studies) of the cases wherein Catholic priests were found guilty or plausibly accused of molestation was the homosexual rape of teenagers. The media will not state this although it is hard to see how they could miss it. I surmise this is because of the fear of a backlash from their homosexual readers and their allies. So we blindly echo their term “pedophelia” when “homosexual rape of a minor” is a much more accurate description of the statistical and historical reality.The Catholic Church is despised by the homosexual movement because of Rome’s forthright but thoughtful and nuanced stand against the practice of homosexuality.Nothing is excused by my comments here in respect of the RC priests’ molestation and the RC Bishops enabling or facilitating the molestation of children.

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By: Thomas Cahill http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-3040 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:42:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/#comment-3040 Jack’s comment above: “the Pope the leader of the Roman Catholic Church is a criminal worst than Saddam Hussein. I also agree that the Vatican City should burn (by using an ICBMs with ten nuclear warheads) and become like Ground zero so that it serves as a warning to any Religion that by using the Bible and the name of God they will not escape from been destroy soon or later.” These exemplars of Jack’s hate-filled rants brings way too much heat and way too little light to this important conversation. It makes me ask what the moderator of this thread feels is unacceptable.

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By: Thomas Cahill http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-3037 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:28:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/#comment-3037 I accept many of the points here. Cardinal Levada as presented in the Reuters interview above utterly fails the simplest “sniff” test of this devoted Catholic. Legal (secualr and canonical)action directed at bishops responsible for moving predatory priests to other parishes, where some continued their depredations, is necessary before God’s sunshine will penetrate this corruption and purify it. The Long Lent of this scandal will continue to plague the Church until her authority is fully exercised on Justice’s behalf in support of these dreadful outrages against injured minors. And further – Justice must not alone be done. It must be seen to be done.

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By: Jack http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-3018 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:56:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/#comment-3018 Most people of the American government tend to forget what the Founding Fathers of America wrote;“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”The American Government has allow for many years on their own watch the Catholic Priests, Nuns, and member of the Roman Catholic Church to sexually abuse over 60,000 American children in less than 50 years. The Roman Catholic Church is giving a bad name to the American country all over the world but America is so blind that they cannot understand why many countries hate America. The American government do not have the balls to stop associating themselves with the criminal organization of the Pope who use children as sex machines all over the world. The words of the American founding Fathers should be re-written in this 21st century to say:“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that the children of man are not created equal, also the children of man can be used as a sex machine to sexually satisfy the wet dreams of Catholic Priest and Nuns, the children do not have the right to life, liberty, and happiness”What a shame. American will go down into history as the Empire who collapsed because the American government choose to showed more respect to the criminal Pope the leader of the Catholics Priests and Nuns who abused over 60,000 American children. Because America allows the Catholics Priests and Catholics Nuns to use their American children as a sex machine the Catholics Priests and Nuns think that they have a license (permit) to sexually abuse the children of other countries without fear of being punish. What a shame, the American country are selling their own souls to the criminal organization known as the Roman Catholic Church and allows the Pope to walk free on the streets.

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By: subodot http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-3005 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:55:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/#comment-3005 Changes in Canon Law I would believe are going to be forthcoming. Ratzinger loves to write!Meanwhile changes have been made in at least 80 of America’s 190 Catholic diocese. The changes were included in USCCB – “Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People………………………Article 5………..Sexual abuse of a minor by a cleric is a crime in the universal law of the Church (CIC, c. 1395 §2; CCEO, c. 1453 §1). Because of the seriousness of this matter, jurisdiction has been reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (Motu proprio, Sacramentorum sanctitatis tutela, AAS, 93, 2001). Sexual abuse of a minor is also a crime in all civil jurisdictions in the United States.Diocesan/eparchial policy is to provide that for even a single act of sexual abuse of a minor*—whenever it occurred—which is admitted or established after an appropriate process in accord with canon law, the offending priest or deacon is to be permanently removed from ministry and, if warranted, dismissed from the clerical state. ……………….”Dated 2005.Also: Pastoral letter LA Diocesehttp://www.the-tidings.com/2007/0 72007/cmletter.htm”—There is no priest or lay person currently in ministry in the Archdiocese who has been found to have abused a young person. —Complaints of abuse are promptly reported to civil authorities. —A Clergy Misconduct Oversight Board receives complaints of inappropriate conduct and makes recommendations about the disposition of individual cases. —More than 40,000 priests, teachers, lay employees, coaches and volunteers have been trained in abuse prevention techniques under the Archdiocese’s Safeguard the Children program. —Before being allowed to work alone with children, church employees and volunteers are being fingerprinted and will clear a criminal background check. —More than 350,000 of our children and youth already have been trained in age-appropriate programs that teach them to distinguish between appropriate and inappropriate behavior and how to report inappropriate behavior to a parent or guardian……………….”The LA program is rumored to be a possible model for national changes. These programs were referred to by Pope Benedict in his visit. In – “Address to the Bishops of the United StatesResponse to Questions Posed by the U.S. Bishops”The Pope stated that educational programs need to be “maintained and expanded” and “Clearly, the Church’s influence on public debate takes place on many different levels. In the United States, as elsewhere, there is much current and proposed legislation that gives cause for concern from the point of view of morality, and the Catholic community, under your guidance, needs to offer a clear and united witness on such matters.” So I would imagine if the bishops follow up appropriately with the Pope’s instructions we will soon be hearing more about what the church is doing.Victims groups may continually maintain that it is not enough, or too little too late. Here again the Pope tried to put the abuse scandal in context of an “overly sexualized American culture”. In fact we have had many other sexual abuse crimes go unanswered. Thousands of rape evidence kits still sit in urban police departments so long that the DNA is no longer viable. Thousands of rapes go unreported because victims know they probably will not see justice.The victims of clergy abuse that came forward have received settlements, counseling, numerous apologies from clergy, and now a true emphatic apology from the head of the church. The Bishop’s Counsel has written new policy. I know of no other American victim’s that have received as much attention, settlement, and action. We could coompare in fact with other vicitms sexually abused in public schools, or even violently raped that have no justice at all.I certainly hope the Vatican will approve some releases quickly as to just how much has been done. A sad shame is no matter what they do there will always be people out to bash the majority of innocent priests because of what less than 1% did long ago. Catholic bashing has not abated yet.Another facet to the scandals may be “steeple chasers”. Ever since the abuse scandals surfaced every religious organization has been subjected to these type of lawsuits from Baptist, Protestant, and even Rabbis. These attorneys are more than willing to take on a religious organization pro bono while other victims exist with no legal aid at all.Honestly ask yourselves – is it about justice?

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By: Jack http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-2987 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:16:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/#comment-2987 After reading some of the comments here on this Blog I find that Reuters do care about the opinion of other people because the Blogs of http://www.topix.com/ is full of Catholics Spy and Computer Hackers who deletes the comments of people who say that they were sexually abused or does not like Catholics Priests and Bishops bad behavior. In TOPIX Blogs you will never find comments like the Italian man call George Bateman and Kelly. So, good on you Reuters Blog for not deleting comments about the real truth so that any of the 60,000 American children who were sexually abused (FBI has 49,000 Priests on a Black List record) will not feel that the world hates them and that it was not their fault. There is not difference between a Priest and Nun who abuse children and the Catholic Spy who deletes the comments on http://www.topix.com/ so that people do not find out the real true that the Pope the leader of the Roman Catholic Church is a criminal worst than Saddam Hussein. I also agree that the Vatican City should burn (by using an ICBMs with ten nuclear warheads) and become like Ground zero so that it serves as a warning to any Religion that by using the Bible and the name of God they will not escape from been destroy soon or later.

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By: Debby Bodkin http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/comment-page-1/#comment-2985 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:59:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/19/short-lived-scoop-on-vatican-changing-laws-on-sex-abuse/#comment-2985 I received a letter from Archbishop Cardinal Levada’s office dated August 4, 2005, stating: “Thank you for your letter of July 25, 2005. Your letter arrived in the Archbishop’s office as he was making final preparations for his departure from San Francisco and permanent location to Rome. PLEASE BE ASSURED THAT YOUR LETTER WILL BE SENT TO THE CONGREGATION’S OFFICE IN ROME FOR THE ARCHBISHOP’S REVIEW AS HE TAKES UP HIS NEW DUTIES.”As of today, April 20, 2008, I continue to await a response–none has arrived. The letter identified pending child protection issues and failures of the Catholic Church to abide to federal Whistleblower laws when employees report sex crimes or other violations of the law to the violating state and federal child protection, mandated reporting and Whistleblower laws.I remain disillusioned and ashamed upon witnessing Archbishop Levada’s leadership and public statements almost 3 years after promising a response to a concerned Catholic–a response that is deserved in the interests of justice and the protections of children and those hwo protect them.Without justice, there will never be peace. Without peace, faith and our country’s laws are empty.

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