PLEASE PRAY FOR SSPX

How our Dear Lord must be weeping over our beloved Roman Catholic Church! I would hope that for truth we have fidelity, and in our difference, charity.
I am a Catholic who attended a Norvus Ordo Mass at our prish until we were granted permission to have the beautiful Tridentine Mass. I havealso lost a daughter to SSPX, and I still love her dearly. This whole thing is just wrong. Our Holy Father has ben returning beautiful Tradition to the Church. For some this is not enough, for some he is seen as backward and stogidy. We need to be chartable torward SSPX. SSPX needs to embrace the Jesus, His Church, and His Shepard, Pope Benedict XVI. We need to look at the real enemy, and he is sure laughing with delight to see the Church of our Holy Savior, who bled, suffered and died a horrible death to save us and give us a visible Church and Shepard rip themselves apart wth our tongues and pride! We need to lift up Jesus and His Message of One Flock and One Shepard,and pray and love that Shepard. What a turbulent and hurting world we live in! I hope our Dear Lord Jesus will be merciful to all who are causing disention. Instead of standing up and shaking our heads, and even sometimes even fists, we need to be on our knees praying for our Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, and each other, including our separated bretheren. Shame on us all!

For all those Catholics who follow the Pope, most normally a good virtue, please know in the history of our Church there have been several times when the Pope has been in error. Why even St. Peter was corrected by St. Paul. Then there was the whole Arian heresy. While St. Athenesius (spelling?) stood out for being against the magestirium (and excommunicated), it was Rome, herself, in error. (St. Athenesius was later vindicated and made a saint by the Church) It is not the Pope, himself, that is infallable. It is the Church in Her dogmas that for over 2,000 have stood the test of time that are infallable. Vatican II, by the mercy of God, was an ecumanical council, not a doctrinal council and thus did not change anything in our Church’s doctrines. So still to this day the gates of Hell have not prevailed against our Church, as Jesus promised.
Vatican II has changed the way Catholics pray, and the most noteable way through the Mass. Check what used to be a beautiful scripture-filled (thus divinely written) Latin Mass, with the man-made, fabricated Mass of today. Is it any wonder there are few saints today? Apostacy is only too far appearant.

Thank God for the Society of St. Pius X. Without them, the Faith would be almost lost. Modernist Rome must come back to the true Faith!

As someone who grew up in a post Vatican II world, and until JP2’s death, had only known one pope, my opinion here is limited only to what I have seen and felt. I can’t help but see Benedict in the afterglow, in contrast, to his predecessor, and initially, I was hesitant to welcome him with open arms, as he was so different. That, however, was just my lack of faith in the Holy Spirit, because I now see this pope as one who, after 26 years of [the church] striving for ecumenism, wants to refocus The Church on her dogmas, her doctrines- who wants to bring Catholics, particularly fallen away catholics back into the fold; without overthrowing everything Vatican II did. I don’t see him as the pope of all the people, I don’t think his point and purpose is like JP2’s- to reach across the various boundaries of other faiths- I think it’s more to shore up, firm up what it is to be Catholic, what it means to be a member of the Body of Christ, of the Church that Jesus established. No, I don’t think Benedict is the hard-nosed traditionalist conservative that many were expecting. I think the notion of him being “God’s Rottweiler” in his former position does not and should not transfer over into his personage as The Holy Father. His job description as the latter is much more broad and needs a different approach, because he is no longer just the guardian, if you will, of Catholic doctrine; he’s the safekeeper of all things Catholic, including the flock. Rather than a ‘Rottweiler’, I like the idea of him as our “German Shepard”.
As for the Tridentine rite Mass, I’ve been to a few, and I like the solemnity of it, but since I’ve grown up with mass in the vernacular, I can’t imagine not having that option. I really like knowing that when I walk into church, I know every bit of the mass word for word- not just the sounds and syllables, but each word, it’s meaning, where they come from in scripture- I like that I can say the mass with the priest in my head; for me, that brings mass to a much more communal level with the Eucharist, which, of course, is the whole point of mass.
Further, of those “schismatics” who have ostricized themselves from our Holy Mother Church, I have to wonder in your faith in the Holy Spirit. Don’t you know it is the Spirit who dictates the Church? And what about sacred scripture? What about Matthew 16:19?

“I give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven: whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; whatever you let loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Do you simply ignore that passage in scripture, the very foundation of our Church, simply because you do not agree with Her? The Catholic faith, its dogmas and doctrines are not ala carte; you do not get to pick and choose which ones you like and which ones you can live without. In that respect, you are no different from the secular catholics who pick and choose what doctrines they adhere to.
The most important thing to remember is, our Holy Father is indeed a holy man of God, guided by the Spirit, put there by the Spirit.

Many here try to correlate the Protestants with SSPX

The only difference they fail to understand is that the Protestants wanted to change the church to thier liking (hmmm…sounds a bit like the Vatican II “church” that the Pope supposedly presides over, changed to suit the modern world), where the SSPX and the traditionals only want to worship as Catholics have done for 2 millenia and NOT change

Those that try to claim “obedience” are in reality in lock step with the new church and why should they not be? If the “church” in just 40 years changed everything to make life easier for them such as the new catechism, new JPII canon law that permits annulments by the thousands, new mass, new customs, new translations of sacred scripture to be (less offensive!), and so on…why would you now want that

You figure who is “obedient” , those that demand to take the high road and “obey” what was Catholic for centuries or those that want the watered down version being sold as Catholic.

It is funny how the Pope goes so far out of his way to meet with rabbis , pray with Moslem clerics, and so on but wants nothing to do with the Trads. Maybe because he and the rest of the “church” for these past 40 years are slightly embarrased and have more in common with these false faiths now then they do with what was once Catholic

Pope John XXIII is already blessed, Pope Paul VI, John Paul I & John Paul the Great are candidates for sainthood. The present Holy Father is obviously a man of great humility and holiness and wisdom. These are the real saints. Lefebvre can go to Hell with his schism. He will be remembered in history like Arius, Nestorius Eutyches, Martin Luther and the rest like him. Birds of the same feathers.

The SSPX hold fast to “tradition” according to their PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of it. Hmmmm, sounds a lot like the Protestant Revolters who interpret Scripture PRIVATELY. Look at the mess the Protestant movement is in. Jesus said a house divided against itself will not stand. If the SSPX were at all the “True Church” you would not see people leaving it to form their own movements. Just like the Protestants they are dividing.

Fellay is being disingenuous [if the report is true], he is unable to deal with the excesses of ‘wild card’ Williamson, yet he expects Benedict, at a stroke, to disarm the totality of Modernist hierarchies infesting the curia and diocese. It would require a miracle indeed, for an overnight change away from the delusions of Vatican II. Msgr. Lefebvre, himself, referred to Vatican II in the light of Tradition, the Novus Ordo was not part of Vatican II but a later accretion. The SSPX are now at a cross-roads, pray that they take the correct turning and give Benedict the support he so richly deserves for his courage.

the pope came in a time when people are losing their job, roof over their head due to whats happening with the economy, immigration, health care, weakening dollar. it was doom and gloom for most and then all of a sudden here comes the pope and we became uplifted. all of the other negatives that we should be looking for like your topic is overlooked. his presence alone in our midst far out weighs what he should have done or what is supposed to do and all selfish reason that people are looking to hear from him. thats what i had observed the past 6 days being glued to my HDTV. i am sorry.