Comments on: SSPX Catholic rebels disappointed by Benedict http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Peter LaChapelle http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/comment-page-2/#comment-5222 Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:32:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/#comment-5222 Were it not for the SSPX, we would not even have the Motu Propriu of the Holy Father, allowing for the unrestrained use of the Tridentine Mass.

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By: Ruben http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/comment-page-2/#comment-3201 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:36:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/#comment-3201 Miss Nguyen, I don’t recall ever mentioning anything about Saints since Vatican II so I’m confused as to where you are going with this. Again, I don’t pick and choose what to believe. I hold the same faith the Church Magesterium has taught since it’s inception. No more, No less. Regardless of what you may think, the duty of the Magesterium is to safeguard the faith, not to alter it. You may wish to follow blindly if you wish, but if you opened your eyes you might find that where you are being led isn’t exactly in the direction which you may want to go. How you don’t see the contradiction between what used to be mainstream Catholic teaching and what is being taught today is beyond me. If it was true before 1962, then it has to be true today. The truth does not change otherwise it would not have been the truth to begin with. So, are you ready to say that the Church since Vatican II is only now teaching the truth and that she erred for almost 2000 years. Do you really want to go there? You can’t have it both ways.

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By: Griff Ruby http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/comment-page-2/#comment-3176 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:48:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/#comment-3176 I think H. E. Bp. Fellay has displayed remarkable moral courage. Few people realize that the Modernists at the Vatican are offering him a red plastic “cardinal’s hat” the moment he hands over the SSPX to the Modernists. It is a grievous error on his part to imagine that Benedict XVI and his modernist Vatican organization has any real Catholic authority. However, having made this mistake (a common and typical one, to be sure) he has nevertheless quite commendably stood his ground and resisted a quite considerable pressure and temptation to hand it all over to them.
The issue is much bigger than merely the Mass (which Benedict XVI has admittedly taken some small steps to rectify), and it is good to see Bp. Fellay standing with his fellow bishops and clergy, flock, and most of all with the totality of God’s truth in the Historic and Universal Magisterium of the Church by also insisting on a repudiation and renunciation of Vatican II together with its works and pomps. It is Vatican II itself that has formally and publicly defined the Vatican institution as it exists today to be a “parallel hierarchy” to that of the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the real and authentic Roman Catholic Church. The complete and unconditional revokation of Vatican II and all that followed from it is the price of Benedict XVI and his organization ever being regularized back into the Church.
So many keep saying that Bp. Fellay is going to hand over the store. Well, he had his chance and he didn’t do it. So will those who keep saying that he will do such a thing please shut up? Despite his terribly mistaken and incomplete understanding of the present situation he has nevertheless behaved in it exactly as a real and legitimate Catholic bishop (which he is) should.

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By: Quoc Anh Nguyen http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/comment-page-2/#comment-3167 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 03:41:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/#comment-3167 I just don’t understand your reasoning. So you don’t believe in the validity of all the saints and blessed the Church created since Vatican II?

To be Catholic, you have to embrace the Church’s entire teaching – you can’t just choose and pick what to believe or question what the Church should and should not do. That is the duty of the Magisterium. Your duty as sheep is to obey and follow her teaching.

You either believe that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that the Church is the true Church or you don’t. If you do then you should trust in Christ’s promise as the Church can not err on matter of faith and moral. If you believe that she had been once the true Church established by Christ, then she is true yet, and shall be the true Church until the end of time – she just can’t be true until Vatican II and ceased to be true after, unless Jesus Christ has deceived us.

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By: Ruben http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/comment-page-2/#comment-3157 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:31:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/#comment-3157 It’s not just the Mass folks. The Faith since Vatican II has been changed. Unfortunately, the picture is much broader that just the Mass. Perhaps some of you should read the Papal Oath to see what truly is the job of the Holy Father. As far as the Missal of Paul VI, have you folks even taken a look at it? What you attend on Sundays is a far cry from the Missal of Paul VI which is intended to be in Latin, with the Priest facing the tabernacle. Turn off EWTN for a couple of days and do some research. What you will find is that the Mass of Paul VI when translated into the vernacular languages waters down the faith & strips the Mass of all of it’s Catholicity. Secondly, even Vatican II states that the Mass should remain in Latin, so who approved all of these translations?

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By: Nancy Nolan http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/comment-page-2/#comment-3155 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:36:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/#comment-3155 Abraham,

The pope being infallable is not a dogma. When he sits in the seat of St. Peter and proclaims a dogma of Faith, such as the Blessed Mother being immaculately conceived, then he speaks infallably. Ask your priest, I speak the truth. And I did not wish to imply that St. Peter was a heretic, just he was in error and corrected by St. Paul. Then again, there were times popes were in heresy and condemmed as heretics by subsequent popes. Check that with your priest, too. And, yes you are right, great saints along the way have added to granduar and glory of the Holy Mass, but the core of the liturgy has remained unchanged from apostolic days. That is, until the New Order Mass. The translation into English was not a literal translation. Certain prayers were omitted, and others changed to give ambiguous meanings. Ask Fr. Sommerfield (Mel Gibson’s priest from the Passion) whose job it was to help translate the Mass and who later went onto to renounce his services. Or ask the 6 Protestant ministers who helped the Vatican concoct the New Mass. I kid you not. In fact, go to just about any Protestant Mass these days, and you’ll feel right at home. It is virtually the same mass.

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By: Humboldt http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/comment-page-2/#comment-3153 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:56:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/#comment-3153 John70, I am beginning to believe the way you do. The turning point for me was the change by Benedict XVI of the pray for the conversion of Jews of the 1962 Missal, which by the way it does not exist anymore. I also believe that the next logical step for Benedict will be to change the pray for the conversion of pagans and for the unity of the Church. It is the only logical road he left. I loathe these changes. He really shocked me.

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By: John70 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/comment-page-2/#comment-3152 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:19:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/#comment-3152 I,m just one member of “the society of the popeless”,but after reading every response written here,I feel so much better being a part of the “sane” group. I for one, have no fear of believing like I do about the church,and the way I was taught,for 71 years. I don’t believe the Pope is a “bad” man,the SSPX church I attend prays for him every Sunday.But any so called “Novus Ordo” mass put together by Protestants,Masons and modernist catholics, any so called mass that has removed The Holy Eucharist from it’s place of honor on the Alter, and relagated it to a side closet, could not possibly be anything like the Church I was born and raised in.And this day and every day,till the day I die, no one will or can convince me, that the Novus Ordo is what our Lord desires. To me it is an abomination.

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By: Abraham http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/comment-page-2/#comment-3150 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:35:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/#comment-3150 Is Latin or the Tridentine Rite the Mass of the Church from the very beginning of her existence or they also came later in the Church? The great saints of the Church like St. Basil the Great, St. John Chrysostom and others composed anaphoras that later were adopted for use in the Church, how come the SOCIETY OF POPELESS FORMER CATHOLICS claim that the Church cannot composed new formulas or rites for the Liturgy? WHERE IN THE BIBLE OR IN THE DOGMAS OF THE CHURCH DOES IT SAYS THAT THE TRIDENTINE MASS IS UNCHANGEABLE? SINCE WHEN DOES THE CHURCH WAS STRIPPED OF HER POWER TO DEVELOPED HER LITURGY? The Novus Ordo as invention… Excuse me. Everything in Novus Ordo from Entrance Procession, Sign of the Cross and Final Blessings are all part of the Sacred Tradition of the Church. The followers of heretic and schismatic Lefebvre speak as if Vatican II or Paul the VI inserted human sacrifice in Novus Ordo. WHAT PART OF NOVUS ORDO IS NEW? EVEN THE TRIDENTINE MASS, WHICH I LOVE VERY MUCH, DID’NT BECOME PART OF THE LITURGY UNTIL LATER ON. THERE WERE MOMENTS IN THE LIFE OF THE CHURCH THAT THOSE SIMPLE ELEMENTS WERE NOT OBLIGATORY UNTIL THE POPES MADE LITURGICAL INNOVATIONS AND INSERTED THEM ALONG THE COURSE OF TIME.

Stop claiming that you are faithful to the two thousand Catholic tradition. You should instead reflect the fact that even the Tridentine Mass is once a novelty in the history of the Church.

To Nancy Nolan, it seems that you have forgetten that the Infallibility of the Pope or Papal Infallibility is a Dogma of the Roman Catholic Church. How dare you claim the great saints on your side. St. Paul disagreed with Pope Peter but he never made a schism away from him. Nonce of the saints that you’ve mentioned did what Lefebvre did.

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By: Ruben http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/comment-page-2/#comment-3145 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:12:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/20/sspx-catholic-rebels-disappointed-by-benedict/#comment-3145 Miss Nguyen, I don’t interpret anything for myself. I rely on the defenitions of two thousand years of Popes, Councils, and Saints. If something coming from Rome contradicts something which was previously taught, then we have a problem. It’s very simple and you don’t have to go back very far in time (late 19th, early 20th century)to read Papal encyclicals warning us about exactly was is going on today. The obvious difference between us Miss Nguyen is that I wish to stay loyal to God and the Catholic Faith passed down for two thousand years, and you wish to stay loyal to the Church since Vatican II regardless of the fact that it’s teaching contradicts the Faith which you claim to hold.

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