Comments on: Vatican-Iranian dialogue agrees on faith, reason, non-violence http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: gary http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-3530 Mon, 19 May 2008 19:37:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/#comment-3530 interesting how all these world leaders who are supposedly “fighting” always defer to the Papacy.
vaticanassassins.org

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By: Tired Evangelical http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-3301 Fri, 02 May 2008 14:22:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/#comment-3301 So N and siburp want to “exterminate” politicians who “use
religion” but supposedly the use of any other ideology for political purposes is acceptable. So a Green party pantheist who appeals to the sacredness of the earth to rally supporters should be “exterminated”? A politician who says “God bless America” should be “exterminated?” All members of the “Christian democratic” parties in Europe should be lined up against the wall? By an unelected body at that.
Don’t get me wrong, for example, I am uncomfortable with many tactics of the “religious right” in the USA, hence the “tired” in my name. The way to oppose this is for not voting for these politicians, rallying political opposition,but not “exterminating them” with an international thought police. This idea while it may not necessarily be “atheist” (although I am not sure what else you would call something that completely shuts out any mention of faith in political discourse) but it is definitely extremism.

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By: N- http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-3292 Fri, 02 May 2008 01:02:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/#comment-3292 Its not about atheism. If you really do love & believe in God then God should be in your heart. And there it should remain, in your private sanctuary. That is true devotion.

I believe siburp suggested that a universal body finally is given responsibility to stop the use of religion and peoples lives by politicians and people with higher positions for their own gains. Sounds like a great idea to me.

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By: Tired Evangelical http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-3279 Thu, 01 May 2008 14:13:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/#comment-3279 siburp said: “So if the Pope and any other religious leader/Leaders wants/want peace to reign on Earth, then ask the UN to make a resolution to stop all politicians from using religious symbols for political gains or power. Any who does should be sent to HAGUE to be tried as WAR CRIMINALS and be exterminated immediately, if found indeed guilty.”
The thought of the UN making universal laws about the use of religion and then “exterminating” those who don’t comply is about the most heinous suggestion I have ever heard and shows the dangers of “fundamentalist” atheism taken to an extreme.

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By: siburp http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-3275 Thu, 01 May 2008 12:48:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/#comment-3275 Neither Christianity nor Islam kills. Only men with greedy and selfish motives did, do and will do! They had, are doing and will be doing.

So if the Pope and any other religious leader/Leaders wants/want peace to reign on Earth, then ask the UN to make a resolution to stop all politicians from using religious symbols for political gains or power. Any who does should be sent to HAGUE to be tried as WAR CRIMINALS and be exterminated immediately, if found indeed guilty.

But of course, religions are all human inventions for a future journey in this uncertain world. So as for other dangerous inventions, it is great for the Pope to continue to have dialogue with others in order to bring in more safety measures before religion becomes the catalyst for human extinction or at least the reason for another World War.

For us human, we ought to leave the wars to GOD himself. We need not fight on his behalf for he can do it himself when and if he wants it. We just pray for his protection and help to ward off those with bad or evil intentions.

It is better to leave VENGEANCE TO GOD HIMSELF. Thus we pray for guidance, ideas but vengeance and evil thoughts be left to Him to deal with. Then there always be PEACE.

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By: N- http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-3266 Thu, 01 May 2008 02:32:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/#comment-3266 Well im not defending islam here but i think christianity already did its share of violence and shared its horror around the world and different cultures. I guess now its time for islam. This is what organized religion does.

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By: Izzy http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/comment-page-1/#comment-3260 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:01:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/30/vatican-iranian-dialogue-agrees-on-faith-reason-non-violence/#comment-3260 “Faith and reason are intrinsically non-violent?”

Isn’t Iran where they chant “Death to Israel. Death to America” daily?

The Iranians in this case appear to have gotten everything they want, and have given up nothing in return.

In particular, I point to “…unfortunately, both of them [reason and faith] have been sometimes misused to perpetrate violence. In any case, these events cannot question either reason or faith.”

In other words, Moslems throughout the world can do the most heinous crimes, *in the name of their religioin*, and the religious leaders do not condemn those acts, and the religion can still be held blameless.

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