Harun Yahya preaches Islam, slams Darwin and awaits Jesus
Here is an edited Reuters transcript of the Adnan Oktar interview:
We have sent the book in French, English and German. The number of books sent isn’t as high as assumed. I guess it’s at most 10,000. The reason it has become sensational is because of the influence of the ideas. People tell each other about these ideas so the dimension of the impact is enlarging. This huge impact shows the influence of the book. It shows how influential the author has been.
There is not a single person in
Why did you send it to
Nicolas Sarkozy a Marxist? He has always been a conservative.
As far as I know, he has a tendency towards the left and materialism. But I’m talking about his previous views, not his recent ones.
Why fight Darwinism?
Darwinism and materialism are at the root of all disasters. At the root of Masonism and fascism. Its destruction also meant the destruction of nationalism and fascism. This has been a very dramatic change before the coming of Jesus Christ. This is also the destruction of Marxism.
It’s not a decision of
Mass-mailing the Atlas must have cost a lot. Do you get financial or other support from abroad?
The number (of books distributed free) isn’t as big as is generally believed. Unfortunately there is no financial support from abroad. It would be wonderful if there were but there are only us distributing and financing this.
Do you work with
Years ago, they came to our conferences. But creationism in the
Do you support “intelligent design”?
The intelligent design system seems very insincere to me. It’s the product of a weak belief system. Everything was created by Allah and we have scientifically proven this.
They just don’t say that God did it. Don’t you believe that?
It is obvious that this is insincere. If one believes that Allah has created the world, he should say so openly. Avoiding this only creates suspicion. Just saying some power has created this will be annoying for people who sincerely believe in Allah.
What has been the reaction to your books in the
We are in parallel with their ideas. It is in total agreement with the belief system of Christians and Jews. When you look at the belief systems of the three major religions, you see there are many overlaps and common ideas about afterlife, prophets, and moral issues. You see they’re all in parallel. When Jesus Christ arrives, this discrimination will also be abolished and there is going to be one single religion.
We’ll get to Jesus in a moment. Before that, though, can you say if you have Saudi backing?
It would be wonderful if there were such backing. But unfortunately we don’t have any offers of such kind until now. We would welcome those offers. I think the Gulf and other Islamic countries do not quite appreciate the importance of these ideas. I think the Western world has come to understand that these ideas are very important. If the Islamic countries would also appreciate and think the same, I think they would be supporting us.You may say they don’t quite appreciate that Darwinism is a threat. They are defending themselves by the following arguments. One idea they have is that Darwinism is an old theory that has lost its influence so there is no need to fight Darwinism. The second idea is that Darwinism is compatible with Islam. In fact these are passive defence mechanisms. This is human psychology. When you are not strong enough to do something against something, you just make excuses for not doing so. But we didn’t do that, we created very strong evidence against Darwinism and we destroyed Darwinism.
I still can’t understand how you finance all this.
My books have sold 8 million copies in one year. This created such huge profits and, since I don’t receive any copyrights for these books, the publishing house earned a lot of money and they used some of this money to promote my book. As part of this publicity campaign, they sent some of my books for free. This is what other publishing houses do as well. Other companies in
Is that 8 million figure for all your books?
It is the total number of books. I have 250 books.
So the business finances itself?
Are you the biggest publisher in the Muslim world?I don’t know. I think we have to investigate that. I don’t know where to askBut it seems so. Technically it seems so. My books have the highest number of sales. Also from the internet my books have been downloaded 10 million times in one year. No publishing house could achieve that.
Why do you distribute books for free if you need sales to finance the business?
But what is the purpose? Is it just to get your religious message out?
I would like the world to be introduced to brotherhood. I want wars and terrorism to come to an end. I want everybody to know the love of Allah and be united under one religion and live in brotherhood.
How many people work for you here?
There are 20 assistants who help me. The translators aren’t included in this number. But most of the translators work on a voluntary basis.
Now let’s get to Jesus. Why do you talk about him? When is he coming?
When you take the hadith and the verses of the Koran, we understand that Jesus is going to be coming. When we analyse this from a technical point of view and look at the words of the prophet Mohammad, we understand this is going to be in the next 20 to 25 years. When he comes, first he will not know that he is Jesus. He is going to be discovered by religious Christians who have some beliefs in parallel with Islam. Then Jesus is going to learn all the different religions including Islam and he will read the Koran. He will unite these religions into one religion. He’s going to unite the Koran also to the Holy bible and Christianity into Islam. When he came the first time, he reinterpreted Judaism into the Holy Bible. When he comes this time, he will reinterpret the Bible according to the Koran and take it as a reference. We believe that he will be born in a small group and he is going to meet the Dajjal (anti-Christ). By showing miracles, he is going to beat him.
Which Christian group will he be born into?
We are not sure about it. Maybe it is just beginning to form.
What will be the holy scripture when Jesus comes?
When Jesus comes, he will take the Koran as a reference. As you know, the Bible is a book very close to the Koran. So in a way he will also be taking the Bible as a reference.
But the Koran will be the one holy book for all these believers?
Does that mean Jesus becomes a Muslim?
Yes. In fact he is a Muslim. Prophet Abraham and Moses were also Muslims. All these are Islamic religions. All Islamic religions are the same.
We don’t know who the Mahdi is, whether he has come or not. He also cannot claim ‘I am the Mahdi,’ as far as we know. When the Mahdi comes, he is going to behave in parallel to Jesus Christ. We know the Mahdi will be from the descendents of the Prophet Abraham, just like Jescus. This will be the last period of the world, when Islamic ethical values will govern the world. This is going to be also a reflection of the domination of the descendents of the Prophet Abraham. There will be no Jews or Christians who don’t believe in Jesus Christ, because of the miracles that he will perform. We understand this from the Koran. The Koran says the following. the people who believe in you will be victors until doomsday. This is said about Jesus.
People say you think you are the Mahdi.
There are two indicators of the Mahdi. I do not have make a claim. I have written a book. Some people, because of the parallels in what I have written and the hadith of the Prophet Mohammad, have thought that I could be him. But this is not my origin. I am also one of the descendents of the prophet Mohammad. I am known to be a person called Sayed. Because of the parallels of my book with words of Prophet Mohammad, some people may have thought (that I am the Mahdi). But in Islam, I cannot make such a claim. It is forbidden for me to make such a claim. It would mean that I would be an innocent person without sin. To make such a claim would be wrong according to Islam.The Mahdi will have only undeniable evidence (that he is the Mahdi). When the Mahdi comes, he will work in parallel with Jesus. This will be a time when Islam governs the world. When that happens, he will be the leader of the Islamic world. We will say that maybe this person is the Mahdi. But other than that, we cannot make any final conclusion and I cannot make such a claim.
Maybe your supporters do so because they think this?
I am a sincere Muslim. Because of my attitude, comprehension, love and respect to people around me, these people are supporting me. They cannot say I am the Mahdi. This would also be in conflict with their Islamic religion. It would mean I don’t need to be exempt. I would be innocent. This is wrong to claim so. Of course everybody can suspect that when you have a good person in front of you, that is a very good person and that person is going to heaven probably. You can think about it and have the suspicion he might be the Mahdi. But you cannot have the final diagnosis that he is the Mahdi. That is wrong according to Islam.
In your pseudonym, which John in the Bible does Yahya refer to?
It’s John the Baptist, who gave the news of Jesus.
Why did you choose this?
Harun was the assistant of the Prophet Moses. Yahya was also the assistant of Jesus Christ. When Jesus comes to the world, we also would like to be helping him. This would be a big honour to us. You might say this is a prayer for that.
Why do you publish so many children’s books
For children it’s very important to have the love of Allah. It’s a big pleasure for them that Allah exists and heaven exists and they will be living for eternity. I would like to give this great message to the children.
How do you work?
As I said, I have 20 assistants. When I’m about to write a book, I ask for all the information and they gather all the information for me. That’s why it’s very easy for me to write a book. I just do the interpretation, I add the pictures, I send it to the editor and I don’t do anything afterwards. Most of these books have quotes in them or they’re a collection of other books. That’s why it’s very easy and fast for me to be so prolific.
What’s your next big project?
But not another Atlas of Creation? No further campaign?
Our biggest project right now is to lay the grounds for the coming of Jesus Christ, to just prepare the background of this. When he comes, he’s going to have extraordinary power and perform phenomenal miracles. Islam will spread rapidly through the world. The miracles he will show will be undeniable, including to the anti-Christ.
So all of this is the buildup for his second coming?
Can you summarise your overall philosophy in a few words?
When you look at the Bible, the Pentateuch and the Koran, you see the message they’re trying to give is very simple and easy. They want happiness for all people. They want people to be sincere and love one another. They want everyone to live in peace in heaven until eternity. We also have this basic philosophy. We don’t want any violence, any chaos, any anarchy in the world/ we want people to live in peace and happiness in the world.
Where does the Atlas fit into that?
Satan has deceived people by Darwinism. In fact, nothing can be a product of coincidence, not you, not me, not an orange, not an apple, not Albert Einstein. This is just a deception of Satan. We are just preparing the background for this belief.
For example, right now I am forming a 3d image of you in my brain which is much more perfect than the best television in the world. You know how many people are working in the production of television. This cannot be a coincidence. Some power must have created this. It is so obvious, but Darwinism was spread under the deception of Satan.