Comments on: Some U.S. atheists seem to be confused, Pew survey shows http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Aaron http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-4549 Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:07:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/#comment-4549 Now I am only assuming, and I have been told that one should never assume, but nevertheless, that each person that writes in here has not just read this article, among the many others that exist, but has taken some time to look at the website which houses all the data.

http://religions.pewforum.org/

Now, it might take some time, probably took me 30 + minutes to briefly go over many of the results, but it is laid out in a very nice format, with graphs, comparissions, and even the questions, among other things such as “personal god” verses “impersonal god,” etc.

As a Catholic, I also found it ineteresting to see many of the results that were given concerning some very hot issues in the USA today.

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By: veggiedude http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-4530 Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:42:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/#comment-4530 At first glance I was taken aback – for about a minute – then I realised I’m probably in the group that is ‘atheist’ but open to the idea there could be a creator. It really depends on how the question is worded. I wish I could see the questions to understand the answers. As an open minded person, I can’t discount the possibility that ancient astronauts tampered with our genes, or that an incredibly advanced computer was such a creator. So my openness to a ‘god’ is nothing to do in the supernatural – there is no evidence of such a thing. So the definition of atheist is not at stake here. The definition of god is.

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By: Joe http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-4529 Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:58:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/#comment-4529 Agreed with Aaron & Adam.

Before giving my view, I found the headline hilarious and his assertion also so- simply because he forgot the theists. What about the theists who weren’t “absolutely certain”? Wouldn’t that mean, by his criteria, that they are confused as well- seeing as he states at first, they claim a belief in (a) God, so he doesn’t mean that they become agnostics or something else?

He gave results that were similar to both sides, with both having those who weren’t “absolutely certain”, but then proceeded to mock ONLY HALF- I don’t care which he picked- he paints only one side as being undecided or confused, when he HIMSELF said this “undecided” quotient is on BOTH SIDES of belief!

That is, as clear as you can get, a smear on one side. That is the only intention of his words, or he would have mentioned this of both sides. It’s basically like questioning the meaning of both the pot & the kettle, but then saying only one is black. It’s so blatent I can’t believe he was paid to write this.

Last- I don’t believe ABSOLUTELY in God, Gods, or anything. Why can’t I just say, “I don’t know, I’ll find out when I die, so I don’t have an opinion on it!”? I can. It’s a viewpoint called “fatalism”. Why does everyone have to paint proclaimed uncertainty as stupidity? Socrates hinted that intelligence can exist in not knowing something- “I know nothing, therefore I know something”. Why is everyone so afraid to just say, “I don’t know? I guess I’ll find out when the rest of you will- after I’m dead!” ?

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By: Brian Westley http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-4519 Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:09:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/#comment-4519 It seems Reuters can’t bother to report the survey accurately; the survey itself asked, and reported people who believed in a god OR A UNIVERSAL SPIRIT. Now, since “universal spirit” is not equivalent to a “god,” and doesn’t appear to have been defined as part of the question, there’s no real way to know what people saying “yes” meant.

But Reuters did NOT report the results accurately, since “god or a universal spirit” is not the same as “god.”

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By: Aaron http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-4516 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:48:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/#comment-4516 Another note of interest might be this:

I cannot get over how harsh that SOME (not all) atheists are. Circumstances may dictate the reasons as to why this is so, however, both atheists and others should still give dignity to the beliefs that others hold. Religion is one of them.

Just because one cannot physically see “God” or “Spirit” or “the Orderer” or whatever it might be, does not mean others should degrade others of their beliefs.

Lets take an example:

Martin Luther King, Jr.: Believed in Freedom. One cannot hold freedom, put it in a bag, shoot it out of a gun. It was his belief in this idea, which he felt was more than a mere idea, but a true, possible entity.

Ghandi: Believed in Peace. Ghandi could not create peace out of lumber or concrete, he could not force it on others, he could not see it in his presence many times. But it was his belief in this seemingly mere idea that led to the illumination of peace.

Mother Theresa: Believed in Dignity. You get the idea I bet.

I am NOT trying to convince anyone of the existence of any kind of God, but merely stating how people of tolerance tend to be intolerant of others. This is a mere repeat of history, but it is true. People see freedom, peace, dignity, and even God as more than a mere idea or fantasy, and despite the intolerance and ridiculing of others, the press on.

I for one am thankful for King, Ghandi, and Theresa. Why do we accept their ideas so easily? And may it be noted that these people were influenced by their own faiths.

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By: Darron S http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-4511 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:17:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/#comment-4511 Just remember, 78.3% of all survey statistics are complete bull$h|t. It’s all about how the survey questions are asked. You can make a survey go any which way you like based on phrasing.

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By: CPM http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-4507 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:38:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/#comment-4507 Wow Paul…how pretentious do you sound? How? This is why people get sick of atheists. People like you make one or two good points but then you carry on and then just become outright irritating. You all act like you’re all high and mighty and that you can do no wrong. Dawkins, Hitchens, and so many others get on this pedestal and talk down to everyone else who either chooses to believe in a higher power or were born believing. I’m not a hardcore Catholic, not by a long shot, but what I don’t like is the sheer arrogance that atheists like you carry just like how I don’t much care for overzealous missionaries. You know, sometimes religion does provide people with a moral code and there are good people that happen to be religious and not primitive as you seem to think they are.

If faith gives people hope, then who are you to tell them they’re knuckle-draggers or cretins? Remember Paul, people do fight for other reasons outside of faith. It just so happens that religion is the flavor of the month this time in conflict.

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By: adam http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-4506 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:36:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/#comment-4506 This is just trying to make atheists look bad. Maybe it’s just Christians, not atheists, who are too stupid to know what the word “atheist” means.

There’s also a hell of a lot more than 8% of Americans who don’t believe in a god. I’d be interested to see the age demographics of those surveyed.

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By: Aaron http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-4505 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:34:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/#comment-4505 Corrections made:

It seems to me that the people who claim to believe in God, but consider themselves atheists are probably disbelieving in the traditional image given to them by traditional religion. Philosophers such as Feuerbach, an atheist, felt that what made God so unbelievable is all the projections that people put onto God (like a child who projects onto God the image of a grandfather with a long white beard).

To say that theists are embarrased about believing in God, however, is not merely a insult but an unneeded statement in an intellectual debate. I will not bring myself so low to insult an atheist–as I know many, and so many of them do wonderful and good things.

Many wonder, “what would society be like without religion,” and I encourage you to ponder that question from a intellectual standpoint. But I do not think that religion is bad, the root of all problems, or for that matter “magic.”

If Paul studied the difference in history, he would understand that magic, religion and science are three different things. There are people who claim to be withces (with magic), but claim that no God exists.

Religion is an instinctual thing–try to get rid of what we have and another thing will be put in its place.

And while some people worship the God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, among others, others worship the god’s of money, greed, lust.

Interesting topic, never will be solved–especially with ignorance.

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By: Aaron http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/comment-page-1/#comment-4503 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:26:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/06/23/some-us-atheists-seem-to-be-confused-pew-survey-shows/#comment-4503 It seems to me that the people who claim to believe in God, but consider themselves atheists are probably disbelieving in the traditional image given to them by traditional religion. Philosopher such as Feuerbach, an atheist, felt what made God so unbelievable is all the projections that people put on (like a child project the image of a grandfather with a long white beard onto God).

To say that theists are embarrased about believing in God, however, is not merely a insult what an unneeded statement in an intellectual debate. I will not bring myself so low to insult an atheist–as I know many, and so many of them do wonderful and good things.

Many wonder, “what would society be like without religion,” and I encourage you to ponder that question from a intellectual standpoint. But I do not think that religion is bad, the root of all problems, or for that matter “magic.”

If Paul studied the difference in history, he would understand that magic, religion and science are three different things. There are people who claim to be withces (with magic), but claim that no God exists.

Religion is an instintual things–try to get rid of what we have and another thing will be put in its place.

And while some people worship the God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, among others, others worship the god’s money, greed, lust.

Interesting topic, never will be solved–especially with ignorance.

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