Comments on: “Comfortable candor” at Yale Christian-Muslim meeting http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Michael Cecil http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-5402 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:05:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/#comment-5402 Oops.

My previous response was to Yakoub rather than Tom.

Too busy focusing on the contents of the message, did not even pay attention to who wrote it.

Sorry.

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By: Michael Cecil http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-5400 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:18:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/#comment-5400 Tom,

Correct. Nothing that these religious ‘authorities’ did this past week has done anything at all to diminish the potential for conflict between the United States/the Israel and Iran. Nothing that they have said has in any way diminished the potential for a military conflict over Jerusalem.

You do not see, for example, the United States or the Israel or Iran or the Palestinians saying, all of a sudden, that something ‘new and different’ has occurred at the conference this past week which suggests that it is possible to resolve these conflicts Peacefully on the basis of achieving a theological ‘modus operandi’.

My real concern here, however, is that you appear to want to *protect* the theologians from the consequences of their categorical denial of the Truth; to take the side of the theologians in preserving their pride, their wealth and their power; even when the pursuit of such ‘interests’ is giving every indication of providing a clear rationale for Armageddon, in which millions upon millions of people–even including many of these religious ‘authorities’ themselves–will likely lose their lives.

Clearly, for example, you (ignored and) appear to *justify* their continuing censorship of the Truth about the Doctrine of “resurrection”, as if this is utterly IRRELEVANT to these conflicts–which, of course, has been the position taken by several *hundreds* of journalists, editors, and website operators who I have contacted over the past 32 years…

While thousands, hundreds of thousands, and *millions* of Muslims (hundreds of thousands of them children) have been *slaughtered* across the Middle East during this same period of time. (It is no mere coincidence that the censorship of this Truth–that the “resurrection” refers to ‘Rebirth’–has occurred *simultaneously* with this genocide.)

Yet, very obviously, you seem to be suggesting that this censorship *continue*…(I seriously *doubt*, for example, that Reuters would EVER do a news item about the Doctrine of “resurrection” as a Doctrine of ‘Rebirth’ until, perhaps, *after* the eruption of the “time of trouble”.)

With, however, precisely the *same* result.

(This, of course, is the reason for the Prophecies in the 12th chapter of Daniel in the first place.)

The recent conference was not a “constructive discourse” conducted by “intelligent people”.

It was nothing more than a pretense by people *paid* to give the *impression* of a serious discussion; by people whose principal concern was not the Truth but trying to preserve their jobs, retain their wealth, power, and the high esteem in which they are held by their followers, and
oh, by the way, achieve Peace as, perhaps, a *secondary* effect.

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By: Father Renzo di Lorenzo (Trilogy) http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-5397 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:06:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/#comment-5397 Sounds like both Michael and Tom need to read Book 1 of the Jackass Trilogy, along with some fisking of Tom’s recent posts. Cheers! Type “Reuters” into the search engine of my blog and see what you get.

http://renzodilorenzo.wordpress.com/

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By: Yakoub http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-5395 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:26:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/#comment-5395 “Michael said: None of this has any effect in the *real* world.” Of course people are influenced when intelligent people from communities sit down and discuss their problems and commonalities. If this was not so, hundreds of conflicts in history would never have ended. How did the British government and IRA end decades of fighting? All constructive discourse is to be welcomed as a step forward, a step we should all God willing emulate.

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By: Michael Cecil http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-5393 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:27:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/#comment-5393 Tom, the issue here is not merely the Truth; it is also the cowardice of the religious ‘authorities’ who no longer care about Truth at all, but merely how to ‘get along’ with each other. (It seems I recall a philosopher or statesman from hundreds of years ago saying something to the effect that ‘those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither’.)

Arriving at a “better understanding of other religions” is *not* going to help the situation if what it comes down to is a better understanding of the *lies* that are told by the other religions. (Lies are much more preferable than the Truth because they are more *pleasurable* than the Truth; and people are willing to pay for pleasure but not so willing to pay for Truth; which is why the religious ‘authorities’ teach what they teach: they need money.)

It does not help for Muslims to understand more clearly that, to the Christians, Jesus is ‘God’. That is one of the *sources* of the conflict because, according to the Torah, the Prophets, the Teaching of Jesus and the Koran, that amounts to blasphemy. (It is also the doctrine that led quite directly to several hundreds of years of anti-Semitism and the Holocaust of I don’t know how many hundreds of thousands or millions of Jews.)

It does not help for Christians to be told that Mohammed is the “final prophet” or that the Koran is the “final Revelation”. That specifically contradicts Revelations in the Koran too numerous for me to remember. This may very well be what millions of Muslims *believe*, but it is simply not the Truth.

Nor does it help Christians and Muslims to be told that the children of Israel are the Chosen people (which, by the way, is affirmed by the Koran), if that Doctrine is then used to ‘justify’ all manner of immorality and violence and evil against those who are not Jews.

Nor does it help to understand that the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious ‘authorities’ (except those within the esoteric or mystical traditions) ALL believe that the “resurrection” is NOT a Doctrine of ‘Rebirth’. They are simply, but categorically, contradicting the Revelation.

I could go on.

But, while the theologians may be perfectly *satisfied* with merely ‘getting along’ with each other; God is a God of Truth. Truth is the *purpose* of Revelation; and Peace emanates from *Truth*, rather than the REVERSE: the religious ‘authorities’ delude themselves into thinking that they can achieve Peace by *ignoring* the Truth; which is what they have done for more than 30 years with regards to the Truth about the “resurrection”.

It does make a difference that I did not receive one response to the several e-mails and the fax I sent to the people involved in this conference.

It DOES make a difference that the theologians are doing EVERYTHING they possibly can to avoid the Truth about the “resurrection” and certain very specific Prophecies in the book of Daniel.

The reason this will “never work” is because the theologians are interested only in *religion*, not in Revealed Truth. And, as I have explained at length on both of my websites, thought originates in duality and results in conflict and violence.

It is irrelevant how “well-meaning” they may be (although they are CERTAINLY not “well-meaning” in my regard).

This is the inescapable *structure* of the reality with which we must deal: unless these religious ‘authorities’ are willing to acknowledge their fundamental errors, and *quickly*–unless the “Knowledge of God” is allowed to “cover the earth”–there will be NO escaping the horrors of the “time of trouble”, AFTER which the Truth will *finally* be allowed to be heard.

The media can either help in this regard, or it can choose to ignore this information, as it has for more than 30 years.

Michael Cecil

http://after-the-false-peace.blogspot.co m/

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By: Tom Heneghan http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-5380 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:46:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/#comment-5380 Michael, you say that religious authorities are paid to provide a pretense of civility but their followers are taught to project evil on the other. Who is doing the teaching? And who teaches the teachers? If religious authorities decide that teaching will include a better understanding of other religions, then the followers will be able to have what you call the “luxury” of tolerance. They will be able to “see the light” because they have been taught “the light” and not some dark conspiracy theories about the others. Of course, this is not an open-shut case — there will always be intolerance no matter how enlightened a message is taught. But this is surely preferable to saying it will never work and leaving things as they are.

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By: Michael Cecil http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-5379 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 01:20:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/08/01/comfortable-candor-at-yale-christian-muslim-meeting/#comment-5379 It makes no *real* difference that these religious ‘authorities’ are nice to each other, or “comfortable” with each other, or can clearly express their beliefs to one another.

None of this has any effect in the *real* world.

After all, these religious ‘authorities’ are *paid* to at least provide the *pretense* of civility.

But, in the real world, their followers do not have the *luxury* of those who are *paid* to be religious ‘authorities’. Rather, the beliefs they have been taught form the basis for the projection of evil one upon the other. That leads to conflict and violence and warfare and genocide; while the religious ‘authorities’ who have concocted these doctrines in violation of the Revelations remain blissfully unaware and *above* it all, looking condescendingly at their followers for not being able to “see the light” of how to believe contradictory things and yet not be involved in conflict and violence.

But the question is whether this is the way the *Creator* wants this to be; with people being *paid* to tell LIES; and NO ONE concerned with the Truth anymore, but just how to ‘get along’ with *other* liars.

If God is a God of Truth rather than a ‘God’ of ‘let’s just get along with each other’, human civilization is in for a *rude* awakening.

Michael Cecil

http://after-the-false-peace.blogspot.co m/

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