Comments on: Vatican sees “urgent” need to review Darwin and evolution http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: MArk http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5941 Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:00:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/#comment-5941 I am surprised that some think that the Church is “Anti-Science”

Which is not true. Many monks and Priests were scientists including the Jesuit ORder.

Also this book should be helpful called “How the Catholic Church built Western Civilization” written by a History professor.

Also Ben can you provide some back up on “some Comments” that you said the Church made over the years.

The Catholic Faith always rely on Faith and reason because both balance each other.

MEntioned by St. Augustine about when does human life begin? or The writings of St. Thomas Aquinas “Summa Contra Gentiles”

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By: Terry http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5934 Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:07:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/#comment-5934 Nonsense Bob, theistic evolution is the acceptance of the mechanics of evolution in the development of life. It is essentially a hope and a promise (through the revelation of scripture) that we exist for a purpose and that purpose is good.

This differs from intelligent design, which makes claims that a intelligence is required to direct evolution.

Now since you are disparaging the so-called “dark ages” you should know that young earth creationism is a modern stupidity, not an intellectual position of the medieval world. Augustine for example warned against interpreting the bible literally where it conflicted with established natural philosophy to avoid opening up the scriptures to ridicule.

The intelligent design argument is a twisted version of one of the arguments of Thomas Aquinas. Aquinas (following Aristotle because scholasticism was a textual commentary intellectual tradition) argued that life seems to have an end or a goal (telos). Each species seems to have a task in the larger ecosystem, and each seem to be designed to have the features to carry out that task. Thomas Aquinas observed that items designed for a specific task usualy have a creator, thus we should assume that everything else does as well.

Darwin of course shattered this argument with the theory of natural selection. (He didn’t shatter the God idea, because there are other reasons to worship God besides avoiding learning basic high school biology). What he did show however is that natural selection provides a mechanism for selecting traits that suitable for a species to change and adapt. An individual animal can indeed be suited for filling an ecological niche, but it didn’t need to be specifically willed by a designer to do so.

I am quite confident that if Thomas Aquinas had access to the discovery of evolution he would have never made that arguement. I have this confidence because they also followed Aristotle in the conception of God as the unmoved mover and the uncaused cause, and a being of absolute infinity. This means that God’s will is expressed in a manner that is completely unlike the way a material object would act. God is of course the cause of all things as the alpha and the omega, but simply saying “God did it” doesn’t actually explain anything about natural philosophy. God works through secondary natural causes. This observation is one of the triumphs of the scholastic movement, and paved the way for the scientific revolution.

The irony is that intelligent design theorists are actually bad scholastics as well as bad scientists. They are trying to insert “god did it” rather than looking at the evidence of the secondary (or material) causes. This would have been akin to a fallacy in most scholastic circles.

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By: bobxxxx http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5912 Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:07:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/#comment-5912 Darwin killed the God idea with his brilliant natural selection idea. The pope and other religious leaders understand the religious implications of evolution and that’s why it has their attention. Darwin removed the most important gap that used to belong to the god-of-the-gaps. Thanks to Darwin and thanks to thousands of scientists who came after Darwin, it’s fair to say God is an obsolete idea that was useful in the Dark Ages but is no longer necessary in the 21st century.

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By: Russ http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5910 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:07:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/#comment-5910 This conference should be interesting. I hope they don’t take a step backwards

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By: Ben http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5907 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:30:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/#comment-5907 I think it is about time “the church” recognizes science. I am surprised they don’t think the world is flat with as backward as some of their comments are over the years.

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By: Jim http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-5904 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:02:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/09/10/vatican-sees-urgent-need-to-review-darwin-and-evolution/#comment-5904 Pope John Paul II must be turning in his grave!!!

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