Vatican official attacks U.S. Democrats as “party of death”
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Vatican officials seldom single out political leaders who differ with the Church on issues like abortion rights or embryonic stem cell research. But now that the Vatican’s highest court is led by an American, the former St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke, we can expect things to get more explicit in Vatican City — at least when when it comes to U.S. politics.
Burke, who was named prefect of the Vatican’s Supreme Court of the Apostolic Signature in June, told the Italian Catholic newspaper Avvenire that the U.S. Democratic Party risked “transforming itself definitively into a party of death for its decisions on bioethical issues.” He then attacked two of the party’s most high profile Catholics — vice presidential candidate Joe Biden and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — for misrepresenting Church teaching on abortion.
He said Biden and Pelosi, “while presenting themselves as good Catholics, have presented Church doctrine on abortion in a false and tendentious way.”
Pelosi drew U.S. bishops’ scorn for saying in a television interview last month that the Church itself had long debated when human life begins. Biden is a practicing Catholic who also supports abortion rights and analysts have said he could help woo wavering Catholics into Obama’s fold. Both argue that they cannot impose their religious views on others.
Burke said pro-life Democrats were “rare” and that it saddened him that the party that helped “our immigrant parents and grandparents” prosper in America had changed so much over the years.
Burke made headlines as archbishop of St. Louis for his public attacks on public figures who strayed from Catholic teaching. He suggested during the 2004 presidential campaign that Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, a Catholic, should be denied communion because of his views on abortion. Several bishops said at the time they would not give him communion and the media staked out churches where he attended Mass to see if he received it.
“Lately, I’ve noticed that other bishops are coming to this position,” Burke told Avvenire, which is owned by the Italian bishops’ conference.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, wrote a letter in 2004 to American bishops restating the Church position that a priest must refuse to distribute communion to a Catholic politician who supported abortion rights. But Burke lamented that the letter was never distributed.
Burke’s criticism isn’t limited to Democrats. Last year, he accused singer Sheryl Crow of being “a high profile proponent of the destruction of innocent lives” for defending a woman’s right to have an abortion and for being a proponent of stem cell research. He resigned as head of a children’s medical charity that featured the singer for a benefit concert.
Pope Benedict has been encouraging Catholic bishops to speak out more openly on public policy issues to make the Church’s voice heard. Any bets on when we’ll hear from Burke next?
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THe holy Roman emporer has spoken. Bow down or be burned at the stake.
ABortion is a fake issue. If condoms were passed out in quantity to everyone over the age of puberty around the world… abortion would decline dramatically. BUT NO!!!! the holy emporer would prefer DEATH!
The Holy Roman Emperor wants to control the entire population at the most fundimental biological level. No sex without his approval (marraige license).
Dems are the party of hate and discontent. They thrive on confusion and promote destruction. Obama is the anti-Christ. The Book of Revelation is a preview of things to come. We all have a front row seat!
I vote that it’s the vatican who lead some of the greatest purgings of human life, hatred of other religions, and destruction of hope for millions for hundreds of years. The democratic party members look like angels on earth compared to the long and bloody history of the roman catholic church. Learn some history pope. Go forgive a child molestor or something.
Pelosi, Biden, Kennedy et al. should leave the Catholic Church. How can one belong to a church, when that church considers them to be accessories to murder ?
Why be a Cafeteria Catholic, when in lieu of that, one could find a church that considers abortion akin to trimming your toenails ?
Perhaps it is more of a sin for them to leave Catholicism, than to be an accessory to murder ?
I left the Catholic Church for other reasons. I think the Catholic Church gets it right on abotion. Go Figure!!!
There is no hypocracy. Abortion is the taking of INNOCENT life. Our troops are ridding the world of evil just as St. Michael did!
I thought aborted fetuses would go to hell because they did not accept Jesus as their Lord.
Or perhaps aborted fetuses go to the same place that billions of pre-Jesus humans went. (Where is that, exactly?)
I’m always amazed at the hypocrisy of the Left. They say “don’t legistlate morality by banning abortion”, yet they have no trouble legislating THEIR morality. When it comes to welfare, food stamps, nationalized health care, (the list goes on and on) they’re quite willing to collect other’s tax dollars at gun point and use it for whatever cause they feel in their moral view is “just”.
There is no hypocrisy. Abortion is the taking of INNOCENT life. Our troops are ridding the world of evil just as St. Michael did!
God is the great abortionist given the tens of millions of miscarriages there are every year. Life hangs in the balance all the time – the question is where to draw the line. Does that cigarette and glass of wine which may predate a miscarriage mean the Mom meant harm to the child? And if the focus is on the feotus, why the emphasis on prohibiting contraception? Roe v. Wase presented a plausible and realistic way of making distinctions. The same distinctions when theologians talk about just wars and when men and women are allowed to act barbarically. The funny thing is that all the Catholic hierrarchy is doing here in attacking Democrats is helping the rich in the United States aggrandize more money, despoil the planet further and play games with the lives of millions of people acroos the globe. Religion truly is the opiate of the masses when it is allowed to be used to suppress the demcocratic process
The pope and the GOP agree:
If you are a fetus; God bless you.
If you are a baby; God help you.
If you are not rich; God forgive you.
And if you can see through the sham that is religion; Godamn you.
Killing, eh? How about heretics, everyone affected by the Inquisition, Knights Templar, Dr. Constantine, William Gardiner, shall I continue?
Yes, the Catholics are like every other big religion out there; free to point and accuse, but on the defensive when the accusations come full circle.
Not the spiritual, mind you, but the organizers and followers of big religions.
Ahh yes, paedophiles for McCain! A perfect fit.
The Catholic Church, being a multi-million dollar corporation would probably fit better under the republican corporate umbrella. Let’s see now, the church has threated to withhold the sacraments from people who are pro choice, but I haven’t heard any such threat about people who are pro death as in capital punishment, war, poverty, withholding medical care, etc. Just another hypocritical corporation, the catholic church is.
The whole issue has been spun to death. The abortion issue isn’t about “a women’s right to choose”. It’s about WHEN is the choice made? To put it bluntly, Does she choose to risk creating a life before or after she has sex? Does a drunk driver choose to be a DUI before or after they drink & get behind the wheel? Religion aside, neither side can scientifically prove “when life begins”. So why does society not give the same benefit of the doubt to unborn children that they do to convicted murderers on death row?
Abortion isn’t legal genocide and should never be compared to it.
People have different views on the creation of life.
Some people believe life begins the very moment of conception, some like myself feel that true life doesn’t begin until you are born into the world.
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.
I’m sorry but unborn fetuses don’t fall under that definition of genocide. It would be more accurately described as a medical act.
You might not agree with abortion, but to decry it as legalized genocide and force millions of others to obey your point of view is ignorant.
People need to quit trying to legislate religious beliefs and views and keep them to discussions with your church buddies.
Greg,
As you state: “Abortion isn’t legal genocide and should never be compared to it.” I disagree. There are more than one million babies aborted in this country yearly. In addition, you go on to say: Some people believe life begins the very moment of conception, some like myself feel that true life doesn’t begin until you are born into the world.” That is your opinion. Many knowledge people feel much differently. So you would kill an unborn baby minutes before it was delivered alive? If it is not murder then why if the baby dies along with the mother in murder of the mother, why is the person charged with killing two? It doesn’t make sense.
What if my opinion was arbitrarily that life doesn’t begin until you are 60 years old? So for me to cut a hole in your head and suck out your brain with a vacuum would just be a “medical issue,” huh? Stupid logic on your part. Life should be respected and revered.
For the “Iran/Abortion” analogy, I’ve never seen an unborn child/fetus indicate that they want me dead or my/allied country wiped of the face of the earth. So I understand a response that would turn Iran into glass while still preserving the life of an unborn child. The mothers & fathers in Iran of unborn children should get their government & religious leaders to quit threatening other countries. We didn’t start it, but we can end it.
My wife and I taught our children that it was a woman’s right to choose whether to have an abortion or not. However, we also taught them that abortion was a serious act, not be decided on lightly, and that the fetus was clearly alive and was consciousness just as fully as all life is consciousness. We didn’t teach them abortion was a “sin” because we didn’t frame it in religious terms. We also taught them that whatever our own beliefs were, it wasn’t our place to tell others what to believe or do. We thought we were very reasonable.
Our daughter got pregnant a couple of years back, from an affair with a married man, actually. She told us about it and, while we were concerned about her and her lack of good judgment, we were very supportive and understanding. She told us she was going to get an abortion. We were supportive and understanding.
Our daughter got her abortion at the local “women’s clinic.” She offered to pay but was told that she didn’t need to. “The government will pay for it.” (This, even though she had the money and offered to pay.)
Later that day, before going clubbing that evening, my daughter went out with one of her girlfriends and bought a pair of beautiful spiked heels that she calls her “abortion shoes”. She thought it was funny.
I am ashamed that my daughter apparently didn’t learn more respect for life – or even a modicum of common decency – growing up. Hers was an abortion of convenience – birth control by abortion, if you will. THIS is what the Democratic Party fights for and defends. The right for men and women to get rid of that damn inconvenient baby they made. It’s not about raped women, women who are in danger bringing a baby to term, women who can’t afford babies, the poor, the minorities, the victims of whatever, etc. etc. It’s about modern, young, white women wanting to have their fun, f*** who they want, when they want, and not have to deal with the inconvenient being that results. Talk about an inconvenient truth!
The Democratic Party IS the party of death. It is also the party of the self-indulgent. People who aren’t willing to accept the consequences of their actions if something “goes wrong.” You might say they’re the party of the adolescents of our society (regardless of their age), wanting their “freedoms” but not willing to grow up and accept the responsibilities of adult life. Whether it’s an unwanted pregnancy, an unwanted fight against the Hun, an unwanted need to earn a living, an unwanted real-world marketplace that demands that you get an education (or training) and work hard to make a life for yourself and your family. No matter the challenge, the Democrats are first in line to whine about life being “unfair.”
Abortion is just one more way we can f*** our way through life and not have to pay the piper.
And I don’t even care what the Church says.
Is amazing to read the writings of some bloggers. It does not take a rocket scientist to determine who are sheep (blind dumb followers) and who are people who think for themselves, in other words, use their gray matter (free thinkers). Sheep can not think for themselves, therefore to them, there is no truth other than their own belief and they will blindly follow the sheepherder off of the cliff if that is where the sheepherder leads them. In order to constructively debate any issue, the debater must understand all sides of the issue and discuss it with an open mind. When someone can present a human baby that was grown by any means, without the fertilization of the female egg by a male sperm, then and only then will I be convinced that life does not start at conception. Science proves that life starts at conception, is not just the teaching of christian churches.
Further I will qualify my statement further, no one can say they believe in God and at the same time accept abortion on demand. Has to be oxymoron belief.
Since records have been kept, all civilizations have believed in a superior being, Gods, or a God. They also believed their Gods gave to them and took away from them, accordingly. The greatest minds, one being Albert Einstein, in their writings have all believed in a God. One thing hard to understand is the supreme court justices that ruled in Roe vs Wade that decriminalize abortion for the doctor turned 180 degrees and ruled that doctors could not assist a patient in committing suicide in the Dr Kevorkian case. In the case of the baby, no one is listening for its’ voice and it can be killed at will, in the case of the suicide wisher, no one is listening either, however it can not be allowed to die.
First of all, my sincere thanks to all my friends and ‘admirers’ (not); especially those who accuse me of being, horrors, an “anti-Semite”.
The word simply no longer has any real meaning to me.
Zionists have accused the Orthodox Jews of Neturei Karta of being “anti-Semites” for rigidly adhering to the ethical tenets of the Torah and the Prophets in condemnation and violation of the immorality and demands of the Zionists. And I could lift several comments directly from the prophets Isaiah and Hosea, without attribution, who the Zionists would *swear* are indicative of the vilest “anti-Semitism” imaginable.
I’ve done the research for more than 33 years:
“Anti-Semitism’ originates in the misinterpretation of the Doctrine of “resurrection” as the physical raising of a dead body from the grave rather than a Doctrine of ‘Rebirth’. This Pharisaic doctrine was the reason for the crucifixion of Jesus; was expropriated, via the Pharisee Paul, as a fundamental Doctrine of the Roman church (named in honor of those who murdered Jesus); adopted by the witless Muslim theologians in violation of the Revelations received by Mohammed; and resulted in the extermination of the Albigensians.
And, for reasons too complicated to explain here, such a doctrine also plays a significant role in the issue of abortion; which is why, no matter what the Roman church claims, it is NEVER in complete disagreement either with abortion or a nuclear war against Muslims.
Some years from now historians, philosopher and scholars will look back upon the era of abortion on demand and ponder how on earth could nations that consider themselves civilized legalized nearly unfettered institutionalize infanticide. They will correctly catagorize those that supported abortion with slavers, those who responsible for concentration camps and gulags and all of history’s monsters who would deny another person their basic humanity.
TO follow Biden’s line of logic, he believes then that it is murder to abort an unborn child since he states his belief that life begins at conception. He then believes it is not his place to impose his belief on others. The Biden philosophy would logically then say that the question of whether murder is right or wrong is up to an individuals belief system. Noone is guilty of murder. We can kill who we want. And damned are those who judge that person. The next time you are witness to an adult abusing a child…you best not say a thing….Biden as stated that it is up to individual beliefs of right and wrong……
Murder is murder. The argument of “choice” is a shell game that makes it easier for one to swallow…… What is it that they are choosing… Pro life or anti life?
Michael Cecil – I don’t see any nuclear war being waged between the USA and Iran. Why are you such an extremist trying to invoke rage against the Republicans? Is it because you are a LEFT WING nutcase???
Hurray for the Vatican, who finally said enough is enough. The Catholic church is now practicing what it preaches. American Catholics are sick of Catholics not following Church doctrine and getting away with it. Including that radical hate mongering Pfleger. If the Catholic church does not stand up for what it preaches more and more of the devout Catholics will fall away from it.
It continues to amaze me that those who call themselves democrats think it is OK to murder over 100,000 babies by abortion,yet are in a uproar when it comes to executing one murderer in prison, truly they are the party of death. The church does not presume to dictate to politicians but if they continue to refer to themselves as Catholics then they must follow the doctrine of the religion or change religions.
Abortion used as Birth Control.
Using abortion as birth control means that abortion is being used as a back-up method to ineffective or improperly used contraception, or no contraception is being used at all. Of women having abortions, 46% did not use contraception during the month they became pregnant, 8% never used a method of birth control, and
47% have had at least one previous abortion.
Although there are situations in which abortion is in response to health concerns of the mother or fetus, or in response to pregnancy arising from abuse, the majority of abortions are obtained for social and financial reasons. The primary reasons given for choosing abortion are given below.
75% say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or other responsibilities, about 75% say they cannot afford a child, 50% do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner. Using abortion as birth control is not healthy physically or psychologically.
OBAMA sees accidental survivors of botched abortions as MEDICAL WASTE, undeserving of a doctor’s help, undeserving of life. Though he isn’t Catholic, he deserves singling out by the Vatican as MANIACALLY EVIL. I picture him drooling as he pushes an old wooden cart heaped with corpses. Such may be his fate for eternity.
The CHURCH has had more deaths in the name of religion than all the abortion clinics in the world.
not only does the catholics believe the demonrats are the party of death BUT ALSO many other Christian groups..
the demonrats are not the party of FDR JFK or even ole Jimma Carter..BUT are now the party of Soros, Pelosi and man-child Obama!..with over 50 million catholics in the USA and many in high political office with the power of government at their disposal.. the Vatican is not going to be silent on another HOLOCAUST!
Democrats are anti-life. Republicans are pro-life. It’s the most basic and fundamental black and white difference between the two competing political philosophies. I would vote for Democrats if they were pro-life. But they aren’t. They are anti-life. Life trumps all other issues. 1.3 MILLION innocent babies are murdered every year in America largely because of the Democrat’s clinging to a culture of death.
Life begins somewhere. Democrats contend that the point at which human life begins is ill-defined. Even more reason to default to the earliest point at which human life MIGHT begin – conception. Can any of you out there tell us definitively when life begins? Can you tell us with enough evidence and authority to unanimously convince a jury of your peers beyond a reasonable doubt that life does not begin at conception…that it instead begins at some later point. If you can’t, then you are sentencing what very well could be a human life to a death sentence because that life imposes in some way on your own life. So…you kill the baby. Nice.
It is interesting to see all the mention of nuclear war. This seems to be an odd thing bringing this up since it has only been used twice in the history of the world for purposes of war and that was more than 60 years ago. Besides which last time I checked no one was planning on nuking Iran. (Bombing maybe) Let us also not take Iran out of context they are being led by an man who denied that the Halocaust happened. A person like that is not mentally stable to say the least, not to mention all the times that he has lied and misled the world, by saying that he was going to “be good.” (Kinda reminds me of another guy hmmm..oh yeah HITLER) I am not saying that the president of Iran is another Hitler, but I will say that if he had the chance he would kill everyone in Israel not to mention any American he could get a hold of.
This all distract from the main issue however and that is the Catholic Church publicly reprimanding several of its members for supporting a believe that the Church has made clear it does not support. In my estimate if you are not Catholic, you should not be posting.
Let us also not take the quote out of context the article did say that the Democratic Party did risk becoming the party of death on bioethical issues. That is a far cry from every Democrat is evil. As many people have pointed out the Catholic Church also condemns actions that the Republican party is responsible for. So here you have the Catholic Church expressing an opinion and encouraging its members to do the same. so…what’s the problem? Don’t most organizations want its members to stand for what the organization believes? NRA, MADD, DARE, MOVEON.ORG, should I go on. Let’s also not be so naive to think that we don’t all, to a degree, want our morals to be legislated. I know I want murder, rape, robbery, theft, etc all immoral and all legislated. So should we stop trying to legislate something just because not everyone believes it is immoral? For myself I can say, by no means will I stop fighting for what I believe. Yes you have a right to disagree, but I have just as much right to likewise disagree.
So here I am posting any way dispite the fact that I am not a Catholic, but still find myself sticking my nose where it doesn’t belong. I do apologize. =)
Abortion is not a religious issue, but really is part of under the natural law. Natural law is imbedded in human beings to help them discern right from wrong. Everyone understands that it is wrong to take the property of another without his permission. It is the same with abortion: it is wrong to take the life of an innocent human being. Hippocrates, the Father of Medicine, who lived in 600 B.C., wrote: “I will not aid a woman to procure an abortion, though I be asked to do so.” Hippocrates was a pagan and yet he understood the natural law.
Religious institutions, such as the Catholic Church, often incorporate the natural law in their teaching.
Thus, the Church teaches that stealing and abortion are both wrong. Would the critics suggest that the Church not teach that stealing is wrong because it is attempting to force its beliefs on others?
God bless Archbishop Burke for his clear thinking and
courage.
Kathleen Reid
Abortion is not a medical procedure. Medical procedures are ordered toward health. Killing a fetus does not contribute to its health. Moreover, the fetus is genetically human–not just genetically human tissue, but having a complete genetic code of its own, it is a living human being. Anyone who claims that killing a conceptus is not killing a human being is in need of studying genetics. There is no doubt that the being that is killed in abortion is genetically human.
Burke and the Catholic Church love life so much thet actively fight in court to protect pedofiles who have ruined the lives of men and women through out the world. They actively hide them to this day. His Diocese harbored the refugees from the pedofile camp for priests in New Mexico that had to be shut down because of the problem caused by priests who had been stashed secretly there but allowed to prey on young people during weekend furloughsn for parish work. Lecture me later.
It was not always Catholic doctrine that life begins at conception, true? Augustine, Acquinas, and Gregory XIV all wrote that personhood really starts at “quickening” or thereabouts, often 40 days. Not until 1869 did Pius IX definitely peg “personhood” at conception and consider abortion to be killing a person if occuring after the moment of conception.
Anyway, where is concern over “culture of death” expressed by indulgent notions of when war is justified, or the deaths caused by destitution, neglect in the health care system, etc, in a country that doesn’t have universal health care and a fully functional safety net like almost all industrialized nations?
rosebunny
Great, I hope he gets all the Roman clergy to take to the pulpit and preach politics then the Government can tax the Roman Church Instead of leaching off of local Governments for services It’s about time the Church paid its fair share!
There is no “gray area” about abortion when a living breathing baby is delivered alive and taken to a laundry area and laid on a table for a couple of hours to die. That’s disgusting beyond belief. How about delivering a healthy baby breach and then, when only the head is still inside the mother, cutting into it’s head and sucking the brains out. why? The mother finds it inconvenient to have a living child today. It’s murder plain and simple of the grossest and most disgusting kind.
To all who have commented in this blog who are standing up for life, I commend you. For all of you who have commented and have professed that you are in league with the culture of death. . .I pity you. For what goes around will come around.
when abraham kicked ishmael (sarahs first son)out of his house for picking on isaac, the split in religions began – jesus from isaac – muhammad from ishmael. its all the same story, there is no true or false to this b.s., they are both true and they are both b.s. and they are both responsible for most everything, and they both suck and neither of them behaves in a manner befitting truly god-fearing people.
I don’t understand why folks take this cult and it’s leader so seriously. Read your King James Bible and see the truth, and don’t listen to men whom wear skirts and funny hats. Pray to Jesus, not Mary, he listens, she is dead.
I’m proud of the Vatican official from St. Louis! The vile slow-motion spread of the culture of death at the hands of brainless Hollywood self-serving jerks and the ethically challenged weaklings in our populace is exactly what the world-wide marxist murderers of humanity need to do to the sanctity of our society for them to win against civilization.
The ones who try to equate war with abortion should be ashamed of themselves. The Biblical admonishment, “Thou Shall not Kill” is really “Thou Shall Not Murder”. Warfare to protect your family, your village, city, Nation, way of life has never been admonished. The people who have made this argument are actually murderers by proxy in service of the seventh century Moslem extremists.
The Vatican consistently sticks to it’s principles. It speaks out for the sanctity of life, not just in the case of abortion but also in regard to the death penalty and wars. I am a Democrat and a Catholic. I am disappointed that the party that wants my vote would also mock my convictions. The convictions will win out in this election.
Women have been TAUGHT by the abortionists that this is an issue of “control over their own body”, but this is just words. No doctor in any state in the union would allow you to have your healthy legs removed surgically. That IS your own body. A baby is just living in the woman’s body until it can function on its own. DON’T let someone talk you into murdering your own child so they can make money.
Oh DAAAAVE (athiest from above )
I believe that ALL morality should be subjective as you do..It’s a personal choice right Dave. YOU see it as ok for you to let people kill innocent helpless infants in the womb. I have equally subjectively decided that all people named Dave should be used for my shark chum line.
You see Dave….it’s a personal choice of mine. How dare you even think your morality is superior to mine. I mean this is a deeply helf belief I just came to after reading your post. Without a set of immutable rules (Thou Shalt Not Murder) for example any one can do as they please. All you need is enough strength or number or both and you can do as you please.
In America we are good people Dave. We protect the innocent Dave. Yes outlawing the completely unnatural act of infanticide will create problems. Tough, we are Americans Dave. We had honor once. We would not kill the innocent for convenience or profit.
Human life from conception in America is precious Dave. Even one so clueless as yours. BTW…………….
I heading out shark fishing this weekend….busy?
What exactly is the benefit of being tax exempt to the Catholic Church? Free stamps? The Catholic Church opted out of social security and thus medicare. The priests and religious don’t even enough money to pay any taxes! Look it up.
The Democrats know that if they can make you approve of killing the most innocent of life as a convenience with out a pause of conscience. Then anything goes no matter how evil. No lines to cross no barriers to forge all is allowable. For nothing is more evil than a mother killing their own child. It lowers the bar for all evil.
if there is one organization that should “leave ceasars things to ceasar and gods things to god” you would think it is this one. given their track record, the self righteousness is amazing.
Where was his outrage when priests were molesting children? I’ll listen to the Vatican when it returns Cardinal Law to Boston to stand trial for his crimes against children.
Judge not, lest ye be judged thyself…Bishop.
Number one kindly quit reffering to him as a mistake as I never said that. I said a “mistake” happened, meaning the condom breaking.
You nut job religious freaks instantly attack me simply because I disagree with you and don’t share your “values”.
I never once said I was for partial birth abortions, yet that’s the ONLY abortions used to support your idea that Roe V Wade needs to be over turned.
In fact, partial birth abortions should be illegal in my opinion.
However the majority of abortions done in this country are during the first trimester. The least performed abortion is the partial birth abortion, yet you portray all abortions as the same which is untrue.
It is like you feel it is ok to attack me, distort the truth, all to further your ideals. You’re all such wonderful “christians”.
Using the argument “Thou shalt not kill” as a reason to overturn Roe V Wade is insane. That is your religious doctrine, not mine.
Our ideas on what “murder” is differs.
I urge people to read this.
http://www.elroy.net/ehr/abortionanswers .html
To C W Walker,
The Bible does not say “thou shalt not kill”. It says “thou shalt no murder”. I goes on to explain the difference.
For those of you who will “never kill for any reason, period”. Keep in mind that the only reason you can take that position is that there is and have been people that would take a human life to allow you the freedom to speak at all.
Thou shalt not kill.
It’s black and white and that simple; all else is quibbling before God.