Comments on: Has the faith factor fizzled in the U.S. campaign? http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Karol Ames http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-8332 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:24:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/#comment-8332 Please tell John Becker, who was bitten by Barney Bush, that when reaching out to any dog, large or small, it is wise to crouch lower, and make sure your hand is UNDER the level of the dog’s head. A hand coming down from above is seen as a threat. That could be why Barney bit! Hope the wound heals

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By: Karol Ames http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-8331 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:20:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/#comment-8331 Please tell John Becker, who was bitten by Barney Bush, that when reaching out to a dog, your hand should be BELOW the dog’s head, otherwise the hand over the head is seen as a threat . Also, with a small dog such as Barney, one should crouch down so that you’re not a “towering” threat. Even with a big dog, it’s best to get down to their level as much as possible. Hope the wound heals!

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By: PD http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-7544 Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:40:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/#comment-7544 to the person that finds is strange that Palin would thank God for a pipleine, but who says he and his family attend church nearly each week–do you read the Bible at that church? and do you think its teachings are something to be practiced?–it says to thank God for all things– why shouldht she thank God for it?–or do you think God is just a concept, not an actual mover in the events of this world?

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By: Jack http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-7514 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:16:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/#comment-7514 If you care about the Constitution as much as I do, forget sleeping all that much until the 111th Congress convenes, and until Mr. Obama is sworn in as president as well. We’ve seen several end runs around the U.S. Constitution during the past 8 years by politicians who are manipulated by the far right. These politicians are primarily found in the House of Representatives.

Senator McCain panders to the far right. It is his base. What he really believes, only he knows, of course. As far as I’m concerned, his religious beliefs are his own. What concerns me is his politics.

No American should ever underestimate political attempts to undermine the First Amendment’s required separation of religion & government (and politics) by pleading that the First Amendment’s freedoms of speech & religion have been undermined. The Framers of the Bill of Rights weren’t being vague about said separation…although the far right would have you believe that they were being fuzzy on such a critical subject.

As far as I’m concerned, the far right’s infiltration of both religion and government directly contributed to the reelection of Mr. Bush (and his election, if you believe that he won in Florida). It seems to me that Mr. Bush blindly follows his religious faith, without tempering (with common sense) where his faith leads him. In that regard, he is just what the far right was looking for in a commander in chief who could help their tiny minority of the voting electorate wield the military power of the United States, e.g., in Iraq…and in Iran if they get the chance. At the root of such military intervention is the desire for power, not the desire to protect the homeland. Check the writings of Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle. Mr. Wolfowitz was Mr. Rumsfeld’s deputy during the invasion of Iraq.

What you’ll read in a moment, Mr. & Mrs. Reader, is a prime example of what politicians (who have been infiltrated or swayed by the far-right) were up to as late as May 10, 2007. Since 1954, tax-exempt religious and nonreligious organizations have been legally banned from any action on their part to “participate in, or intervene in…any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.” Although the chances for passage of HR2275 are presently poor, said bill could (and probably will) be reintroduced in the House sometime in 2009 with the convening of the 111th Congress.

OK Jack

“HR 2275 IH
110th CONGRESS
1st Session

H. R. 2275
To restore the Free Speech and First Amendment rights of churches and exempt organizations by repealing the 1954 Johnson Amendment.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

May 10, 2007
Mr. JONES of North Carolina introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means

A BILL
To restore the Free Speech and First Amendment rights of churches and exempt organizations by repealing the 1954 Johnson Amendment.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. REPEAL OF THE 1954 JOHNSON AMENDMENT BANNING THE FREE SPEECH AND FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF CHURCHES AND EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS.

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By: The Truth Is... http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-7459 Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:52:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/#comment-7459 I hope it HAS fizzled!

Religion and politics DO NO MIX!

If only we could all see that this is right conclusion to make. :-(

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By: JohnKing http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-7380 Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:36:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/#comment-7380 This mess started with slick willey administration, now the people will bail out the incompent dems in charge of finances. The dems for the past 2 yrs have sat on their butts let this mess happen while being warned. It is time that all crums are removed from office on both sides of the fence. Lets start by getting rid of Bernie and Petrie who have just plain screwed the taxpayer.

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By: JohnKing http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-7376 Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:28:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/#comment-7376 A shame that the dems feel threatned so bad that they are fixing the election by buying votes, no less from college students, mentally challenged individuals, poor and homeless. The dems started this mess when slick willey was in office offering everyone home mortages.

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By: DaveSEMass http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-7142 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:41:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/#comment-7142 Regarding the question of this article:

Let’s hope so. The framers of the constitution were rightly worried about crazy religious conservatives of their time and ours and probably figured correctly that they would never give up. Wisely, they wrote their intent down:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amend ment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

I wish Obama hadn’t attempted to reach out to religious conservatives, but at least he’s not Palin, thanking God for pipelines and all.

The “Faith Factor” is really nothing about faith and mostly about what level of discrimination is currently acceptable by the mainstream. It doesn’t belong in any campaign for public office. If indeed the influence of faith is fizzling… GREAT! It can’t fizzle soon enough.

My family goes to church nearly every Sunday and I’m glad that politics has no influence on our church and our church has no influence on politics. They’re best kept apart.

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By: Jeff http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-6900 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:36:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/#comment-6900 They didn’t want to touch the “faith” angle because it could hurt both sides. 1/2 the country doesn’t want an evangelical in office who thinks the world is going to end in 50 years next to the Nuclear button. The other half do.

Palin lost points when she tried to spin the gay marriage as being different than Biden. They share the same position.

Palin also lost points when she asked to bring up Afghanistan and then was discredited when she her platforms proposed tactics were already declared failed by forces on the ground.

Biden did okay, although some of his facts were definitely off. He did seem more prepared, while Palin was came across more “homey and sweet”. Do we want “homey and sweet” as a possible President if McCain becomes incapacitated?

Personally, I am not voting for Obama nor McCain (I was a McCain supporter until Palin and the bailout). I am voting Libertarian.

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By: JimD http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-6762 Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:00:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/10/03/has-the-faith-factor-fizzled-in-the-us-campaign/#comment-6762 I don’t know how anyone can say that Biden and Palin agreed on the treatment of gay couples. Biden made it clear that he felt that gay couples should have all of the same rights and privledges of heterosexual couples, but stopped short of calling it marriage, calling it a constitutional right. Palin stopped way short. She would be “tolerant” of gay people and would concede that they wouldn’t do anything to prevent hospital visits or contracts between gay couples. That’s about all she said. Neither she nor McCain would ever say anything like what Biden said about any other rights. She made that clear.

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