Comments on: Can Democrats hold gains they made with faith voters? http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/11/06/can-democrats-hold-gains-they-made-with-faith-voters/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: brian lee http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/11/06/can-democrats-hold-gains-they-made-with-faith-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-8386 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:42:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=2072#comment-8386 douglas yes i listened to your argument but my believes are not tainted by a political undertone.a past paster of mine who was also a professor of theology ,he taught that the souls under the alter,in revelation ,asking when will we be revenged are the souls of the aborted.do i believe steves is not motivated by a political bias ,i don,t know?.but the mention of his years as a minister ,what church?our group started a ministry into a school and we asked a vicar of a failing church to join us, as an encouragement to him .when asked if he would like to address the students at there graduation, he agreed and his opening statement was “children don,t believe every thing you read in the bible’.you and steve are like many who believe in gray areas ,my faiths reality is, even the thought of excepting abortion is immoral.sorry.

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By: Douglas http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/11/06/can-democrats-hold-gains-they-made-with-faith-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-8378 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:16:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=2072#comment-8378 Brian Lee,

As minister Steve says, the abortion topic certainly evokes emotion. But your beliefs on this matter are not Christian, simply because the Bible says nothing about abortion. I know that God knew me before I was in my mother’s womb too — but that’s just as true whether a person begins at conception or if a person begins at birth (or at 13 years old, for that matter). I’ll say it again — murder is wrong, and killing babies is obviously wrong, but you can’t kill a person that doesn’t exist. Before viability, a fetus can’t think, can’t feel pain, has no memories, in short can’t do anything that a conscious person can do. Why is that? Because it is *not a person*. Forcing a woman to keep an unwanted pregnancy is immoral. And finally, we have a president who knows that supporting such intolerance and irrationality is immoral.

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By: Patty P http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/11/06/can-democrats-hold-gains-they-made-with-faith-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-8377 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:54:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=2072#comment-8377 Republicans will never ban abortion as long as they are getting all the single-issue voters “for free”. Those who vote pro-life without considering anything else are giving the Republicans a pass to do whatever they want without holding them accountable. They would be politically foolish to overturn Roe v. Wade.

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By: steve in Chicago http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/11/06/can-democrats-hold-gains-they-made-with-faith-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-8375 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:59:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=2072#comment-8375 To Dean in Orlando.

“The truth of God’s word is intolerant.” As a minister for the past 31 years, I respectfully disagree. My God is loving and forgiving. There is not a soul on this earth that hasn’t or won’t sin. We aren’t a perfect people. But scripture does say that we can be forgiven. And that we must forgive others as well. No where does it say we must be intolerant of others.

Abortion is a topic that certainly evokes emotion, but doesn’t have any basis in scripture. I do know when a fetus is able to survive on it’s own that it should be protected, nurtured, etc. Until then, it’s part of the women. And as a man, I’m not sure I am qualified to tell a women what to do in that situation. I can’t experience a pregnancy. And only God can judge others – and I don’t ever want to try.

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By: Ken Savemoa http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/11/06/can-democrats-hold-gains-they-made-with-faith-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-8374 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:00:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=2072#comment-8374 If Obama embarks upon his promised program of liberal social values and thereby embarks upon policies that spurn the Christian Values that have made the USA and flouts the truth and wisdom of the Bible; he will further destroy families. In these circumstances it is probable that those professing Christians who have been taken in with the electioneering hype and casual overt gestures of faith will identify the sham and leave Obama out in the cold. It is absolute hypocrisy to say you are a friend of the Lord Jesus the author of life and at the same time condone the killing of aborted babies.

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By: Marc Coleman http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/11/06/can-democrats-hold-gains-they-made-with-faith-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-8372 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:33:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=2072#comment-8372 No he can’t. His election was for economic reasons and flies in teh face of a contrary movement – i.e. away from Democratic positions – on non-economic issues. Votes on key moral issues in states like California show the US moving in a more conservative direction. If moves to liberalise policy in non-economic areas before sorting out the economy first, he may encounter a significant backlash.

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By: brian lee http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/11/06/can-democrats-hold-gains-they-made-with-faith-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-8371 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:42:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=2072#comment-8371 hi nick i take on board what say ,the category of these blogs are faith based so the drift should be from a spiritual point of view.i am a believer and my faith transends everything .i have heard so many distortions from people who profess to be believers to advance the suitability of their candidate it,s remarkable one poster suggested that if jesus was here today he would support abortion,i did not vote for obama but he is now my president and god bless him .but i hope he sticks to his principles better than some of his supporters

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By: Nick http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/11/06/can-democrats-hold-gains-they-made-with-faith-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-8369 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:05:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=2072#comment-8369 Politics and religion mixed can be a dangerous concoction, we don’t live in a bipolar world and as such I keep faith and “worldly” politics well separated. Will Obama succeed in the next election? It all depends on his politics that impact believers (of all faiths) and nonbelievers alike, not on what fate he has (or indeed if he has faith at all).

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By: brian lee http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/11/06/can-democrats-hold-gains-they-made-with-faith-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-8341 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 07:31:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=2072#comment-8341 to dougles molecular biologist ,did you divulge this information to impress?i hope it s try and validate your opinion.i am a blue collar guy and i have not got “the inteligence of men’i come before the lord with the faith of a child,and i know the lord knew me before i was in my mothers womb not the first or second term,i walk by faith and not by sight,and i know my redeemer lives, god bless,

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By: Dean in Orlando http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/11/06/can-democrats-hold-gains-they-made-with-faith-voters/comment-page-1/#comment-8335 Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:55:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=2072#comment-8335 “Many will say to me on that day ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matt 7: 22-23 NIV

I think the point here is that not all who claim to be a Christian are a genuine child of God. Christianity is not an activity, or a belief system. To be a Christian is a lifestyle, a world view. Therefore, as a Christian there are principals that cannot be negotiated. There is absolute truth. The world sees truth as relative. What is good for you is ok, and what is good for me is ok. Everything is relative. In a biblical world view there are absolutes. The world calls absolutes “Narrow minded” too “exclusive” or the buzz word of the day “Intolerant”. At the end of the day the nature of a Christian is not the same as the natural or carnal man. The Christian has the nature of God. Given this reality, it is no wonder that those who do not know Christ cannot understand the nature of Christ…or the Christian. The truth of God’s word is intolerant. Intolerant of sin. It is also exclusive, to those who believe on the Lord. This is why issues such as abortion, or same sex marriage are not negotiable in the truth. Those who claim to be a Christian in one breath and then tolerate that which is detestable to the Lord are not in fellowship with the Lord…and are lost, likely never saved because one could not accept that which is not the nature of God if they were also of the nature of God.

Most of the issues in politics today are a narrative of differing secular opinions, Economic policy, foreign policy, taxes, regulation etc. There are however at least two issues that are a nonstarter for a true believer. Abortion and same sex marriage.

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