Comments on: Vatican/SSPX — the fallout continues http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/02/vaticansspx-the-fallout-continues/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: JanetBaker http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/02/vaticansspx-the-fallout-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-22933 Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:32:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=3929#comment-22933 The issue is ecumenism, or how one should position oneself before other faiths. Benign tolerance was generally the Church’s position regarding other faiths, unless they were unusually aggressive, or, in some cases, dangerous to public order and safety (like the attacks on albino children for their ‘magical’ body parts being encouraged by witchcraft in modern Africa today;) Catholic countries allowed private practice of other religions. But this tolerance was elevated to an absolute right by Vatican II, and it is from this perspective that many of modern society’s most perverse practices, like abortion, homosexuality, and widespread divorce and cohabitation without marriage, have sprung.

Catholics Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, et al, explain their refusal to vote against abortion in Vatican II terminology, for example, citing freedom of religion in their tortured logic. Contradictory verbiage may be noticed in most of the constitutions of Vatican II, where it is said, ‘keep the Latin but push the vernacular,’ ‘all hail to the kingship of Christ but elevate the secular state to pride of place in the Church and the world’. It’s an old leftist trick, much used by Sol Alinsky, for one: say two things, it will confuse the opposition.

For any faith, for any nation, for any group, respect for others, with clear limits, is good and necessary; total leveling of difference in the name of equality is quite another, and not condusive to achievement, to peace, or to beauty. One is reminded of the recent episode of Community in which the politically correct administration attempts to design a logo of the perfect race-and-gender-neutral student, not white, not black, not Asian, not female or male. What one gets is indifference, and in theology it has a name, one which Benedict refuses to use: liberalism, condemned by all the popes up to Paul VI, along with the ‘neutral,’ bloodless secular state.

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By: Bobby Joe http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/02/vaticansspx-the-fallout-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-10381 Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:45:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=3929#comment-10381 God warned te Jews three times in the Old Testament {Leviticus 26, Deuteronomy 28 and 3Kings 9)of what wouldbefall themif they did not obey Him. The generation of Jews who most experienced His love, those of the exodus, turned away frim Him and that entire generation, save two, perished in the wilderness. Starting with the public ministry of Christ, they were given 40 years to accept Jesus as their Savior, and they refused. The Romans, who were used by the Jews to crucify Jesus, were the instruments used to destroy the temple and disperse the Jews. And these Romans were the ones used by God to bring Catholicism into the mainstream of history. The “stiff necked” Jews continue to deny their Messiah. I would suggest that they heed Christ, let the dead bury th dead and accept their Messiah, Jesus Christ. Then they may at long last find peace.

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By: Danny Blaze http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/02/vaticansspx-the-fallout-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-10119 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:36:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=3929#comment-10119 I am one who is outside the Catholic Church looking in and what I see is a pattern. This pattern is one of rebellion within the ranks of Catholic Bishops who show their utter lack of respect for their leader who, according to Catholic teaching, was established by Jesus himself. Pope Benedict XVI (Joseph Ratzinger) has made it clear about his intentions and yet the Catholic liberals are crying foul.

Jesus commands us as Christians to forgive even the gravest of sinners, is not this Bishop Williamson, in the eyes of many, a human too? Are not all Christians to forgive? And if we don’t what did Jesus say about us?

This may get some angry but as a Christian I am obligated to share the Gospel with the Jew first and then Gentile. The Jewish people seem to have great animosity towards anyone who would even question the holocaust “honestly” and with not malice. I thank God that I live in a country where we are free to think and be open about our own convictions, even if they may be incorrect or just against the status quo.

The Jewish people need to heal over the terrible holocaust and the only way to truly do this is to forgive and let it go, otherwise they are condemning themselves by their refusal to forgive. How can they expect God to forgive them their own sins if they will not forgive others? Jesus a Jew made that statement to them himself.

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By: Tom Heneghan http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/02/vaticansspx-the-fallout-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-10115 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:02:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=3929#comment-10115 Johnson, I’d be interested in hearing who you think are these ultraliberal bishops now accusing the pope of anti-Vatican II opinions.

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By: Johnson http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/02/vaticansspx-the-fallout-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-10111 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:19:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=3929#comment-10111 The Pope has said very forcefully and unambiguously that the holocaust happened, that it was unspeakably evil and that it must never happen again.

The lifting of the excommunication of the SPXX bishops had nothing to do with the holocaust and all of the very vocal critics of the Pope must know that. It therefore seems clear that the attacks are not out of righteous indignation but are a cynical attack against the Pope, the Catholic Church and. In many cases, against religion itself.

The media is complicit in this attack by sensationalizing the story and by repeated and most likely willful errors in what is being reported.

The bishops who are adding their voices against the Pope, not those who agree that it has turned into a PR nightmare but those who outright condemn the Pope and accuse him of anti-Vatican II opinions, are those same ultraliberal bishops who have opposed the Pope from the very beginning. That they would join in this unwarranted attack seems to be as schismatic as the situation that brought about the SPXX excommunications in the first place.

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By: Vox Populi http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/02/vaticansspx-the-fallout-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-10105 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:20:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=3929#comment-10105 The survivors of the holocaust have not died off and already their tragedy is being dismissed or minimized by a bishop. If this continues, it is quite possible for that horror to reoccur.
I stand by my Jewish brothers and call on everyone who supports them to withhold their donations to their Churches this Sunday and the next to send a message to the Vatican. They can channel those to some other charity instead. I sure it will be done unto the Lord as well.

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By: Cathy http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/02/vaticansspx-the-fallout-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-10089 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:49:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=3929#comment-10089 The thought police are at it again.

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By: peter paul abela http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/02/vaticansspx-the-fallout-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-10068 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:46:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=3929#comment-10068 All this controversy over the Holocaust. I am sure that the Jews suffered so much, but why is the Catholic Church and above all Pope Benedict to blame!!! If a bishop from SSPX said something about the numbers of Jews that suffered in gas chambers, why is the Pope to blame!!! The Pope only wanted to unify the Church, not just with the SSPX but also with other Christians and especially the Orthodox Christians. I think that all this is fuelled by the media or to be exact by some of the media. If people do not agree with traditionalists in the Church the liberals are not seen by everyone as the other option. We are One Church, the Church of Christ and all those who are airing their views even inside the Church are giving the media more fuel. Time will tell that Pope Benedict XVI has done very well to end the schism because he is healing old wounds. The Pope is looking forward to do his best to keep up with the words of Pope John XXIII ut unum sint. Holy Father we are with you especially when you are showing much love for all the peoples of the world.

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By: Brendan Peters http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/02/vaticansspx-the-fallout-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-10067 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:12:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=3929#comment-10067 I, on the other hand, apologise for the pain and offence that the Church to which I have faithfully belonged for over 40 years has inflicted on people due to its insensitivity and its belief that it exists in some sort of ahistorical vacuum.

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By: anne http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/02/vaticansspx-the-fallout-continues/comment-page-1/#comment-10053 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:06:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=3929#comment-10053 When will the media get off the backs of Catholic clergy? What else do you want? The amount of comments and articles on this subject is overwhelming. If only those same complainers would devote as much time to defending the unborn then maybe some good will come of it. The news media is no longer taken seriously because of its inaccuracy or ignorance of certain subjects. It is amazing the hypocrisy that we see every day and this is a prime of example of how not to “love thy neighbour”. This mob mentality in journalism is pathetic.

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