Germans fall out of love with their pope

February 3, 2009

When Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected the head of the Roman Catholicism in 2005, the best-selling daily Bild caught the national mood with a frontpage headline crowing Wir sind Papst! (We’re Pope!). Now, Germans are falling out of love with their pope for readmitting to the Church an excommunicated bishop who denies the Holocaust. For the vast majority of Germans, denying the Holocaust is beyond the pale. Shunning anyone who does deny the Holocaust is considered a civic virtue. So seeing the world’s most prominent German rehabilitate a Holocaust denier is quite distressing for a upstanding, post-war German democrat. How could he do it?

(Photo: Pope Benedict at the Vatican, 2 Feb 2009/Alessandro Bianchi)

The Vatican and Catholic bishops around the world have been defending the pope, saying the lifting of the excommunications for the controversial Bishop Richard Williamson and three other bishops was an internal Church issue unrelated to his political views. They say repeatedly that this is not a rehabilitation, but simply a readmission to allow discussions on rehabilitation to start. After botching the initial announcement, the Vatican has had a tough time trying to convince public opinion in other countries. In Germany, where many understandably think Holocaust deniers deserve no sympathy whatsoever, this task is proving to be doubly difficult.

From Chancellor Angela Merkel and former Foreign Minister to leading Catholic thinkers, Jewish groups and editorial writers in top-selling newspapers — they’re all criticising the pope’s controversial decision to welcome Williamson back. Here is our news story from Berlin wrapping up the reaction. In Rome, another German, Cardinal Walter Kasper, bluntly told Vatican Radio: “There wasn’t enough talking with each other in the Vatican and there are no longer checks to see where problems could arise.”

(Photo: Hans-Dietrich Genscher and Angela Merkel, 21 Oct 2008/Tobias Schwarz)

While Kasper takes a jab at Ratzinger now and then, it’s rare to see such a wide variety of opinion lining up in Rome and in other countries against a pontiff. It is almost unthinkable that a head of government should break with protocol and openly criticise a pope. But when a German pope ignores one of the deepest German taboos, getting a reaction like this is — as they say here in Germany — “as certain as hearing ‘Amen’ in church.”

There have been so many comments that we couldn’t fit them all into our news stories. Here are some of the comments from Germany:

  • Merkel says says it’s all about “the pope and the Vatican making very clear that there can be no (Holocaust) denial and that there must be positive relations with Judaism.”
  • Genscher writes: “Poles can be proud of Pope John Paul II. At the last papal election, we said “We are the pope!” But please — not like this.”
  • Politicians from the Greens, the Left, the Social Democrats, the Free Democrats and even the Christian Democrats (CDU/CSU) criticise the pope’s decision. The CDU/CSU expert on church affairs, Ingrid Fischbach, said she was appalled and added: “This has disappointed me, a believing Catholic, very personally.”
  • German newspapers have also joined in, including the top-selling popular daily Bild, whose editorial entitled “Infallible?” said “It is morally the last straw, the most despicable thing possible, when one relativises the racist murdering of and deadly envious fury against the Jews… The pope must correct his mistake, take back the decision and apologise.”
  • The respected theologian Hans Maier said the handling of the affair was “an unforgivable failure, a political blunder … Why didn’t they get a broad consensus on these issues in advance? Such an important and decisive question must be discussed in a broader group of people.”
  • Papal biographer Peter Seewald, author of two long interview book with Ratzinger entitled Salt of the Earth and God and the World, said the pope was badly advised: “This shows clearly that they’re not very professional behind the walls of the Vatican. There’s even some naïvité. This crisis could easily have been avoided with more precision. We have to get used to the idea that Benedict’s papacy will not be calm and quiet.”

The German service of Vatican Radio, which describes itself as “the voice of the pope and the world Church” (see logo below), gave in today’s news summary another explanation of the pope’s view by Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi and a postive comment by Vatican Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone (“For me, the issue is over”). It followed that by 10 — count ’em, 10 — critical comments from top German clergy condemning Williamson’s Holocaust denial and demanding full support for the Second Vatican Council and no concessions to the ultra-traditionalists. The radio quoted Mainz Cardinal Karl Lehmann, Cologne Cardinal Joachim Meisner, Munich Archbishop Reinhard Marx, Bamberg Archbishop Ludwig Schick, Hamburg Auxiliary Bishop Hans-Jochen Jaschke, Münster Bishop Felix Genn, Magdeburg Bischof Gerhard Feige, Limburg Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst, Osnabrück Bishop Franz-Josef Bode and Paderborn Archbishop Hans-Josef Becker. They naturally don’t attack Benedict openly, but it’s hard to remember when the pope’s own radio station carried this many verbal nudges and winks and stage whispers from fellow Church leaders aimed in his direction.

What next? What should Benedict do when even his “home team” tells him he’s gone way out of bounds?


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This is again another classic example of misrepresentation by some sectors of Anti Christ in our society of the stand of the Pope in certain issues. The whole world must know that the Church is not concerned of worldly things for the Church belongs to God. Christ came into this world not for the righteous but for the sinners for the sick needs a Doctor but not those who are well. Pope Benedict XVI precisely understood this passage from the Bible that he lifted up the excommunication of the four SSPX Bishops. They schismatic and this resulted to their excommunication way back on 1988. They had asked forgiveness for the schism that they had caused and it is on this ground that the Pope lifted the excommunication. I hope the Anti Catholics will understand that.

On the other hand, Bishop Williamson’s statements were again twisted to make it appear that he is a holocaust denier. If we try to dissect what he had said, never did he utter that the Jews were not massacred. What he actually said is that it was not by means of gas chamber that the Jews were killed and not that much number had died and he have some basis to back up his claim. Give him a chance to explain before condemning him! It was not his intention to concur the barbaric acts of the Nazis. I appeal to the media to be fair and balanced on their presentation and overcome once again this anti catholic perspectives.

Lastly, the continued mockery on the Pope by anti catholics reminds me of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Pope Benedict, being the Vicar of Christ will surely say the same thing one of the seven last words of Christ while hanging on the cross, “forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. The mainstream media and the anti Catholics indeed doesn’t know what they are doing.

Posted by Daniel Rosaupan | Report as abusive

What were the bishops thinking when they elected papanazi as the pope? He’s an embarrassment to Catholics worldwide. He should resign, he’s not fit to be a Pope.

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The pope is not God, and he cannot legalize sin….or
forgive it. Only the truly repentent can ask forgiveness
from Jesus who is the head of the christian church. Jesus said, “I am the Way, the TRUTH, AND THE lIFE”. He
hates liars. One thing all criminals have in common, they are all liars.

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Just a question: How can the pope re-instate a bishop that was never officially consecrated to begin with? Am I misunderstanding something?

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You are right that the Pope cannot legalize sin which he never did for it is not for being allegedly a holocaust denier that the Bishops of SSPX’s excommunication was lifted but on the ground that the SSPX in their letter to the Vatican reiterated that they do not intend to create schism and they want to be part of the Church!

However, you were wrong when you said that the Pope cannot forgive sins for he is given the power by Jesus Christ to do so. Mt. 16:19 says, “Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven”. In Jn. 20:23 Jesus likewise says “Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained”. Therefore, if you believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life, you must believe that Peter and his successors are given the authority to forgive sins.

Let me tell that the Church only defines Faith and Morals. Politics is not within the realm of the Church. If a Bishop has an opinion with respect to Political decisions which does not involve a question of Faith and Morals but only pertains to questions of facts, he is entitled to his own opinion for the freedom of expression is guaranteed to anyone. No one can deny such inherent right to any person. We may disagree in our own opinion, but we have the right to express the same.

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Daniel Rosaupan – people like you are part of the problem. The Pope and the Church operate in the world and want to influence the world – this is not the way to achieve that. You see Satan where in fact there is only human incompetence, arrogance and failure within the Church.

The Pope needs to be courageous enough to admit there were shortcomings in the way this whole explosive affair was handled. He needs to apologise for misunderstandings, reassure the Jews and those Catholics who are equally disturbed and embarrassed by all this and completely disassociate himself from “Bishop” Williamson. This man did deny the numbers butchered in the Shoa as well as disputing the use of gas chambers for the slaughter. Nor is this his only bizarre idea. He has also said that the twin towers were felled as the result of a CIA plot. Look at his website for more lunacies. The Pope is lauded as a man of great humility – now is the time for him to show he truly is humble.

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If you see the interview Williamson gave, which is on youtube, that is the source of all the fuss, it is clear that he has not made a thorough study of the Holocaust, and generally does not know what he is talking about. However, he does not deny that the Holocaust happened. He quibbles abut how many were killed and how. His objections are nonsensical, but a cursory examination of his views on other subjects indicates that he is crazy in a general sense. The Church is, and has been for a number of years, extremely tolerant of divergent views. Williamson’s investment as a bishop seems to be part of an effort to bring his followers back into the Church proper, and hopefully to co-opt this organization before it gets out of hand. Just a guess.

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The Pope and the Superior General of SSPX Bishop Fellay had apologized already. Only that Anti Catholics are not contented with it because they want to excommunicate again Bishop Williamson and humiliate the Pope. Anti Catholics always wants to scandalize the Catholic Church, that’s the problem. Even if there was no relationship between the lifting up of excommunication and the statement of Bishop Williamson, they make it appear that the act of the Pope is a sign of approval to Williamson’s statement regarding Holocaust which is not the case! This is an irresponsible media presentation!

As to the twin tower attacked, granting that Bishop Williamson made that statement, that presumption has a prima facie evidence. Al Qaeda belongs to CIA for Bin Laden is a CIA. He was instrumental in the liberation of Afghanistan from Russia with the help of the CIA. That’s probably the reason why until now, Bin Laden is still uncaptured. I doubt that the CIA doesn’t know his exact location. I really doubt.

Posted by Daniel Rosaupan | Report as abusive

Jason Harkins,
There is a legal distinction between a valid ordination and a licit one. The SSPX bishops were ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre, who was a bishop in good standing when he conducted the ceremony. So they are validly ordained bishops. But all bishops’s ordinations must be approved by the Vatican, and Lefebvre went ahead with these ordinations even after Rome told him not to. So the SSPX ordinations, while valid, were illicit. And Lefebvre and the four were automatically excommunicated after the event.

This is part of the problem with this schism — the SSPX bishops are valid bishops because they were ordained by a bishop in good standing. They have the right to ordain priests (which they have done) and other bishops (which they haven’t) and consider themselves in an unbroken line of bishop to bishop reaching back to the original Apostles. One concern in the Vatican was that these bishops would do just that and perpetuate a schismatic church with a valid claim to apostolic succession.

Strictly speaking, the lifting of the excommunications was a readmission into the Catholic Church but not a reinstatement. This readmission is a readmission as individual Roman Catholics — no more and no less. These four men have not officially been bishops in the Catholic Church, so they cannot be reinstated in any functions they once had. But bishops have to have some function, so exactly what they do will be an issue for the coming negotiations with the Vatican. One option is to create a personal prelature, like Opus Dei, so the SSPX could be like a worldwide diocese with Bishop Fellay at its head and the others auxiliary bishops working under him.

Given the uproar over Williamson, who at 68 is the oldest of the four, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is immediately packed off into retirement.

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Daniel Rosaupan,
Your defence of Pope Benedict is based on the premise that the Church is not concerned with worldly things and the Vatican therefore should only think of the Church when deciding issues like the status of the SSPX bishops. In this view, the politics and public opinion surrounding these cases should mean nothing to the pope. If that is the case, why does the pope make so many statements about politics? Why does he appeal for peace in the Middle East (instead of just appealing for peace in general without naming any areas)? Why does he talk about the need for health or development aid for Africa? Why does he have diplomats at the United Nations, the EU and other international organisations that are wholly of this world? It’s because the Catholic Church, like all churches and all religions, lives in this world and is trying to influence it. Not even Jesus lived in the kind of splendid isolation from the world that you seem to say is the right place for the Church.

As for Williamson, he had his chance to present his views on television and anyone who watches the YouTube video can see him going into considerable detail to explain them. Anyone familiar with neo-Nazi propaganda could hear their logic and their arguments in his exposition. There is a time to be “fair and balanced” (to use the compromised expression you employed) and a time to make up your mind about what you’ve heard.

As for the accusation that the media are anti-Catholic for publishing this news, isn’t that the classic escape of shooting the messenger? What were the 10 German bishops, archbishops and cardinals quoted by Vatican Radio yesterday actually doing? Spreading anti-Catholicism? If you want the media to stop reporting such reactions, how about the prelates who issue them?

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I view the SSPX mostly with favour and am happy for the revocation of all the bishops’ excommunication. I disagree with Bishop’s Williamson’s political utterings on the holocaust yet I believe he does have a fundamental right to state them. Obviously, the Germans won’t take that for they are paranoidical about any discussion or doubt that could lead to another Hitler. The Jews had their loved ones massacred and would not applaud blinded by their emotions, yet they meddle in Church affairs way too much and even so far as criticising the Pope on Catholic liturgical questions. What do they expect now, that Catholics ask Jews permission in order to pray the way they desire? No thanks!

No let’s go to some points on excommunication and Bishop Williamson. Just a bit of background, Bishop Williamson is a convert from Anglicanism. Perhaps it would have been for Catholic public relations if he stayed put but the Church is primarily concerned with the salvation of souls and not good public relations.

An excommunication is not given out for political or historical opinions but when questions of Faith and Morals are affected or as for going against ecclesiastical authority in a significant manner (consecrating the SSPX bishops for example, other groupings “ordaining” women “priests” and other acts). At most an excommunication could be given when a political/historical positions influence one’s theological understanding, as for example with the case of Tissa Balasuriya who embraced the socialist/communist inspired liberation theology and propagated it against ecclesiastical directions. However, so far the statements of Bishop Williamson in no way speak of anything theological.

Holocaust denial is a historical question (with a potentially political motivation) and not a ground to excommunicate a person, while stating something like that genocide is morally justifiable and asserting it as a truth of the Catholic Faith would eventually be if the one involved persists in error. Nowhere did Bishop Williamson do anything of the same.

Needless to say, no excommunication is given out lightheartedly and sometimes the error is left to persist in the hope that the errant desists from it and/or in order to study the question in further depth. Calls for immediate revocation of excommunication would be practically tantamount to excommunication again, and that won’t happen and shouldn’t happen on the grounds of holocaust denial and/or revisionism. If the Church did, it would be just giving in to the shortcomings of others and that is not the Church’s duty.

Bishop Williamson is a highly controversial figure not only for non-Catholics, not only within the Catholic Church itself but also within the SSPX. Problems between Bishop Williamson and Bishop Fellay on various questions are known in the Traditionalist Catholic world. Some state that Bishop Williamson could potentially leave the SSPX for doctrinal disagreements with the rest of the SSPX and even moreso, with the Vatican. The latter involve doctrinal and theological questions related to Vatican Coucil II. Some state that this situation could even lead Bishop Williamson to embrace the doctrine of Sedevacantism which somewhat believes in the Papacy but that there is currently no valid Pope or similar. So, way too much weight is given to Bishop Williamson when he doesn’t even represent the view of all the members of the SSPX, let alone of the Pope. Actually, the latter repudiated his historical views yet that won’t be enough for those ripe with anti-Catholic hatred.

Mine is a politically incorrect yet reasonable position in my view. The attacks are just politicised drivel and the typical anti-Catholic hate of certain Protestants. Others base their attacks on ideological considerations. The comments by German politicians and the rest show that much. I’m not sorry for calling a spade a spade. The Pope shouldn’t be sorry for the misperceptions of others, their political motivations and their ignorance on Catholic matters. I fully support Pope Benedict XVI in his decision! So much so, I signed the petition found at hp?lang=uk (This is in support of the excommunication, but not strictly speaking related to Bishop Williamson’s assertion, there are various currents within the Catholic Church that were opposed to the excommunication for other unrelated reasons).

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Send an e-mail to heaven – if you get an answer then you will know wht to do next.
Religion has no answers – it is man made and man is fallable.

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Tom Heneghan

We have to distinguish between the statements of the Pope and decisions of the Pope. You are right that the Church wants to influence the world. How? By presenting its teachings and making statements. Why? Because the Church wants the people to live Christianity as a way of life.The Church loves the people of God that the Church wants us to lead us away from evil. Is that wrong?

Now, let us come to decision making, the lifting up of excommunication does not include political grounds for the simple reason that the primary function of the Church is to nurture its flock to become good Christians, not to outcast them. Paul teaches us that only when one person start to preach another Gospel should we excommunicate him, that’s faith and morals! Christ did not prescribe a political structure that we must have since we must render to cesar what is for cesar and to God what is for God. The primary concern of the Church is to teach faith and morals that each Christian must uphold. Inclusive therewith is the respect for Church authorities being the people entrusted by Christ to preserve his teachings.

Now, if the Church issues statements appealing for peace, its not for political reasons but because it is the duty of the Church to follow the commandments of Christ to be a peacemaker. Though Christianity as a way of life may intertwine with politics, but you must understand that it is taken from the perspective and point of view of faith and morals which is of God.

As to your question whether it is a classic escape of shooting a messanger when I said that mainstream media is anti catholic, my answer is in the negative. I’ll ask you, whenever a Catholic authority inadvertently make statements that only sounds offensive to other religions, why would the media makes it a big issue and start mocking, maligning and castigating the Church? But when Catholic Priests and Bishops are beheaded, and murdered in Iraq and Orissa India, the media doesn’t care to broadcast? Why is that so? Isn’t it true that mainstream media are Anti Catholics?

Posted by Daniel Rosaupan | Report as abusive

Daniel,your comments are excellent! I agree!

Posted by Paula | Report as abusive

A correction to my answer above to Jason Harkins — I spoke of bishops “in good standing.” In fact, Lefebvre was not “in good standing” at the time; he had already been suspended from priestly activity for years. But he was still a bishop, so he could still validly ordain other bishops. Just not licitly.

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The Berlin blockade was thwarted because people came together. Apartheid ended because people came together and walls tumbled. Winning the cold war was the same: “People of the world,” Obama declared, “look at Berlin, where a wall came down, a continent came together and history proved there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one.”

When I first heard this sort of radically optimistic speech in Iowa, I have to confess my American soul was stirred. It seemed like the overture for a new yet quintessentially American campaign.

But now it is more than half a year on, and the post-partisanship of Iowa has given way to the post-nationalism of Berlin, and it turns out that the vague overture is the entire symphony. The golden rhetoric impresses less, the evasion of hard choices strikes one more.

When John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan went to Berlin, their rhetoric soared, but their optimism was grounded in the reality of politics, conflict and hard choices. Kennedy didn’t dream of the universal brotherhood of man. He drew lines that reflected hard realities: “There are some who say, in Europe and elsewhere, we can work with the Communists. Let them come to Berlin.” Reagan didn’t call for a kumbaya moment. He cited tough policies that sparked harsh political disagreements — the deployment of US missiles in response to the Soviet SS-20s — but still worked.


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Daniel, your charge that mainstream media are anti-Catholic is so broad that it’s of little use in analysing this issue. Mainstream media are not pro-Catholic, but that’s not their job. Some reports are anti-Catholic, there’s no question about that. But there’s a wide spectrum in between those poles. Also, while you say mainstream media are anti-Catholic, I’ve recently heard complaints from Muslims, evangelical Christians and Hindus that they’re anti-Muslim, anti-evangelical and anti-Hindu. What the complaints from each religion seem to overlook is that the job of the mainstream media is to report critically on institutions and public figures and not advocate for any of them. Most comments like yours charge the media are biased against their own religion, without looking at how they cover others.

I disagree with another broadbrush statement you make, the one about reporting on the oppression of Christians in Iraq and Orissa. We have reported on those killings and we’re part of the mainstream media you accuse of ignoring this. You may not think we reported enough, but other readers do not think this is interesting and do not see why we should report it. There are also people who have political reasons for not wanting this reported at all. You used the word broadcast — I don’t know which television you watch or whether it broadcast anything about these killings. But if that’s your complaint, your criticism should be more clearly focused.

The reason why interfaith tensions make news is because they transcend the boundaries of individual religions and touch on sensitive issues between them. Most believers of one religion neither know nor care much about internal disputes in another one. But when tensions arise between the two, both sides are interested and leaders on both sides get involved. We wouldn’t get these flurries of statements from both sides if there weren’t something sensitive at stake.

My other question still stands. Why are so many Catholic bishops, archbishops and cardinals making critical remarks about the Vatican’s handling of the Williamson affair and urging the Vatican to make sure he and the other SSPX bishops sign up to the Vatican II reforms they reject? They are fuelling this story by making those statements, and I don’t think they’re doing it out of anti-Catholicism. They’re doing it because they know the Church operates in the world and that this affair is damaging to its work.

Posted by Tom Heneghan | Report as abusive

Could it simply be that the Germans feel the need to show
the same zealotry as a reformed smoker?

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Peter, there’s something of that in the German response to anything to do with the Holocaust. But this has been the case for decades and this reaction can be expected when a prominent German is perceived to have violated the taboo.

Posted by Tom Heneghan | Report as abusive

Over the last 60-odd years the Germans have been so brain-washed as to their culpability during WWII that it is impossible to conduct an intelligent discussion with any of them regarding the holocaust.

This brainwashing was necessary for the victorious allies to hide the fact that the allied actions were so truly barbaric that they had to convince the Germans and the people at home that the Germans had been worse when in fact the Germans were pussycats compared to the Allies.

The examination of 6 simple facts should be sufficient to cause great concern, and raise numerous questions, for any thinking person:

1) At the height of the holocaust survivor’s claims the German government is on record as having paid compensation to 5.6 million or so claimants.

2) In 2002 the Israeli government is on record as stating that over 1 million survivors were still alive.

3) In 2005 or so the German government is on record as stating that they were still paying reparations to 1.6 million survivors.

4) Anyone questioning any facet of the holocaust in Europe gets jailed; this very fact alone should be sufficient for the thinking person to seriously question “the public knowledge” of the holocaust.

5) The final report of the International Red Cross stated in 1972 or thereabouts that the total number of deaths due to all causes, but mainly due to diseases such as typhoid, was about 372000.

6) Forensic examination of the bodies, by British and American pathologists, determined that the people had died from starvation and disease; this due to the complete lack of any transportation since the allies bombed everything that moved.

Author Finkelstein in one of his books states “with all these survivors, who are the Germans supposed to have killed?”

Life insurance actuarialists are very good at calculating the number of people alive based on the figures given above, even though these are inconsistent.

Examination of documentary, forensic, and scientific evidence further points out the absolute lie of all holocaust claims. Ask yourself this: If the evidence in support of the holocaust is so compelling why forbid questioning and debate thereof?

WHAT HAVE THE HOLOCAUSTIANS TO HIDE TO PREVENT ANY DEBATE? WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF? Truth stands on its own, only lies require draconian measures for suppression.

“Name calling is the final refuge of the out-argued holocaust profiteer”.

H.F. Wolff

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All I am going to say is that my “Papabili List for 2009,” that got some ‘flack’ from some quarters for having three non-European cardinals in the top four, is looking more and more promising. <>
Grace, and may peace be with you all.

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How about lifting the excommunications of Galileo Galilei 1564-1642 who was rejected by the Roman Catholic Church and Bp Francis Hodur 1866-1953 of the Polish National Catholic Church of America and Poland who was vindicated by Vatican II as a progressive Catholic Bishop . . . . .

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I’m going to be very blunt right off the bat. In regards to the recent numerous
attacks on Pope Benedict and the lifting of the excommunications of the SSPX
the critical priests, bishops, cardinals who are pledged in obedience to the pope
quite frankly need to shut up.

What a bunch of self righteous tradition hating intolerant bigots. Talk
about showing one’s true colors. Way to be true to the Gospels and
imitators of Christ by reaching out and welcoming back a million plus Catholic
souls who have been isolated from the Church for over twenty years. Great
pastoral work there boys! To be frank you critics of the Pope are as just
as light headed as the rest of these media junkies who couldn’t get a
Catholic thing right if the Pope himself educated them. If you think one
stupid bishop’s comments in an interview done last fall changes the stance of
the Church’s teaching and the efforts that Pope Benedict has made through
his entire life to work against anti-Semitism then your just as blind as the
rest of them.

We’re really getting sick and tired of half ass Catholics who are more so in
name than in deed attacking the Church and the person God Himself has
appointed as the Vicar of Christ (in case you forgot your theology in your
bureaucratic politics).

Hardly one of you has done a blasted thing to
condemn the sex scandals and hold your fellow bishops or priests

Hardly any of you has followed the documents of the Council in
regards to the liturgy and ecumenism. As far as many of us obedient and
orthodox ‘novus ordo’ Catholics are concerned you’re just as disobedient and
on the verge of schism as the SSPX.

We have traveled to at least 15 western countries world wide since the
release of Redemptionis Sacramentum and have hardly seen any implementation
of the document who your so called ‘beloved John Paul the Great’ mandated to
be implemented immediately.

Half of you have been a bunch of cowards in
following the teachings of the Church in regards to abortion, politicians
and the reception of the Body of Christ in the Eucharist.

We haven’t seen any unified public condemnation for the widespread dissent in your
seminaries and convents.

The disregard for adherence to the teachings of
Humanae Vitae and holding your priests accountable are completely out of
line with your ‘vocation descriptions’.

Your lack of excommunications or corrections for Catholics who out rightly defy
or deny almost every sexual teaching that the Church holds including the open
declaration of many of your priests to support same sex unions and participation
in gay events is frankly disgusting.

Many of you continue to do nothing in correcting and dealing with the many
priests, nuns, and laity who openly defy and disobey the teachings of
celibacy and woman’s ordinations.

The European bishops have done a great job at keeping up the Churches as
museums but in Church attendance they have failed miserably.

The lack of excommunications for ‘Catholics who have endorsed or enabled the
availability of same sex unions

The Canadian Bishops have yet to rebuke the 200 plus religious orders who in 2007
generated a report full of dissent in teaching, discipline, sexuality, celibacy, homosexuality,
divorce, and female ordination.

The Canadian Conference of Bishops still refuse to allow the Vatican to investigate
whether the Winnipeg Statement contains schismatic claims.

And you bishops world wide continue to question the authority of the pope and the huge
dilemma he has to fix because of your failings. Look to yourselves before you criticize and
condemn others.

Wake up priests and bishops and do your jobs. The pope is doing an
excellent job of getting the Catholic Church back on its feet and unifying
all Christians back into the fold. And you stand there like a bunch of
hypocrites criticizing your leader. Maybe if you started following His
example in teaching, example especially in regards to Ecumenism and Liturgy
you would see a change in the world in which you have allowed to become so
corrupt with sin. And if you had been as obedient and tolerable as you
claim to be then you would have never allowed this situation to get to where
its at. Stop pointing fingers at the Pope and start pointing them to God in
prayer. Your lack of charity with both the Pope and the millions of
Catholics who adhere to the authentic teachings of the Catholic Church is no
longer tolerable. Either wake up and deal with the crisis of faith that you
have allowed to occur for the past 40 years or as John Paul told the liberal
regimists in South America “Silencio” .

Just look at the simple comments from the Pope on the Media recently released
asking us to use the media to proclaim the Gospel and instead you use it to create
friction, division and attack your leader. This goes just as well for the Bishop Williams
fellow as well. Great example from our leaders and teachers of the faith!

To be a member of the Catholic Church means you adhere to the teachings and
the Magisterium, Not attack it! If you’re not with the Church then you are
against the Church. It’s that simple. Not our words Jesus’. These internal
attacks on the orthodoxy of the faith and the papacy need to end now! This
nonsense has been going on for 40 plus years and quite frankly its sinful.
The Catholic Church is not an organization running a Public Relations
campaign. The Catholic Faith is not an opinion it is a way of life.
The faith is not a Catholic buffet either you accept it in fullness or get out.
Why do you distract those who have chosen the Church as their way of life with your
spiritual garbage. Why are you in the Church if you are not here to build it up.
Why are you still here if you hate orthodoxy and the Church’s teachings.

The Catholic Church is the One True Church of Jesus Christ in which is concerned
only with the salvation of all mankind. If that is not your mission within
the Church to cooperate with God’s mission and save souls including the
million plus members of the SSPX then as Vatican II says ‘You are neither of
use to yourself or to the Church’. If you attack the Papacy you are
attacking the Church. If you are attacking the Church you are attacking
Jesus Himself. It’s really time for the Church’s members to stop attacking
the Church and start building it up. Your are the body of Christ. You are
the salt of the earth. You are commanded to save souls. You are told to
preach the gospel. “I give you a new commandment love one another as I have
loved you”

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He’s the first englishman that I can truely say is honest, the rest sold their souls to satan years ago. I have respect for people who speak the truth!

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