Just before Darwin day, Pew reviews faith and evolution in U.S.

February 5, 2009

Just in time for Charles Darwin’s 200th birthday next week, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life has posted an extensive research package examining the debate about evolution, Darwinism and religion in the United States. “The Debate over Evolution” is a treasure trove of information about the debate and especially useful for the lists breaking down views of the main religious groups and the political fight over Darwinism state by state.

(Photo: British Darwin commemorative stamp, 29 Dec 2008/Royal Mail)

Here are the main entries:

Speaking of Darwin, we’ve done several posts about the Turkish anti-Darwin campaigner Harun Yahya and his Islamic creationst campaign against evolution. Most of the attention on this has been on his mega-book Atlas of Creation, how it’s being distributed in Europe and what the reaction to it has been.

His office has just sent me the photo at right of an anti-evolution stand they’ve set up in the mall at the Burj Dubai skyscraper in Dubai. 
We’re bound to hear a lot more about Darwin, evolution and faith this year, as it’s also the 150th anniversary of the publication of On The Origin Of Species. This debate has been going on for decades and the pros and cons have been gone through a thousand times. Is there anything new to say about this?

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The problem with religion, religionists and faith is that the belief schemata are layed down in early childhood.
That is what makes religious dogma become unarguable fact for those afflicted with religion.
As a species we humans are hard wired to learn important survival lessons from our parents. When this is combined with silly myths and other garbage we tend to assign the “real” tag to everything.
This being so why is it that we loose the belief in Santa despite vigorous efforts by our parents to keep us believing?
The answer is of course peer pressure and indisputable evidence of the absurd content of the Santa myth.So what about evolution? The holocaust? UFO’s? Until we make the religious instruction of children an offence, a form of child abuse we will always have to contend with irrationality. When this irrationality affects world leaders like Obama, Bush, Blair et al which it does,we have a problem which can destroy us. Hopefully we will evolve enough as a species to cast off the need for religion and get on with understanding the uni (multi)verse without resorting to the supernatural vomitus of the believer.
If you have got rid of religion in your life join the Bright’s movement and help stamp it out.

Is there anybody out there who believes in evolution? If there would be evolution, there should be billions of such fossils, and the fictitious process of evolution should be crystal clear from them. The fossil record, therefore, should constitute one of the most important proofs of the theory of evolution.

And in fact, Charles Darwin himself was well aware of this:

If my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking most closely all the species of the same group together, must assuredly have existed. . . . Consequently, evidence of their former existence could be found only amongst fossil remains.(Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, p. 179.)

. . . the number of intermediate and transitional links, between all living and extinct species, must have been inconceivably great.(Ibid., p. 234.)

Posted by Vanessa | Report as abusive

Vanessa, your statement is a complete non-sequitur.
1. There are many fossils of transitional species

2. There is no reason to suppose that there must be billions of fossils if evolution is true. We know more about how fossils are formed than Darwin did, and it is quite rare for an entire animal to be fossilized. Besides Darwin said the number of extinct species must be great, not that all of them would be fossilized.

3. Darwin is not god, origin of species is not a holy book which scientists view as inerrant. Quoting Darwin to disprove modern evolutionary theories is like quoting Newton to disprove modern physics theories. Darwin got a lot of things wrong.

Acceptance of evolution is not a problem in countries where there is no religious resistance to the idea. It amazes me how many people are happy to use all the technology and medicine that science gives us and then complain about the theories the scientists used to figure out how to make those things.

Posted by Dylan Walker | Report as abusive

Is there anybody out there who doubts evolution? There are billions of fossils that make it crystal clear. The fossil record is one of the many important proofs of the fact of evolution.

Darwin’s awareness of this is irrelevant.

Posted by Rob | Report as abusive

Vanessa, he does not say that the fossil record would be complete. He only states that evidence could be found in the fossil record.

By the way, Darwin was proven wrong in this statement; he says that evidence can only be found in the fossil record while there are actually several bodies of evidence, each of which independently supports the theory of evolution.

The idea that the fossil record should be complete, clear, and abundant is patently false. It would also invalidate all of Creation; the fossil record doesn’t even show all of the organisms that we know to exist as not all species have been around long enough for their remains to have fossilized.

Posted by fiendish avatar | Report as abusive

I don’t deny anyone from participating in religion but please provide rigorous evidence of God, the existence of God and creationism before bagging evolution. The bible is not evidence of God, just like a Stephen King novel is not evidence of Zombies. However, as usual the scientific community is out there gathering samples and data to build greater knowledge and understanding rather than just “having faith” in Darwin and his theory.

Posted by Aaron | Report as abusive

Sigh

Both of the first two posters are the flip-sides of the same coin. Earnest dogmatism, whether in favor of Christian fundamentalism or strict atheism, amounts to the same thing. Great heat and vigor applied to an ‘argument’ that cannot be won. There is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ Perhaps an all-powerful creator built the universe in 7 days and set in place all of the physical laws that make the earth and universe seem billions of years old as some obscure joke or test. That will never be proved. Perhaps, there is no creator, no supernatural force. But absence of evidence is NEVER evidence of absence.

Now, avowed atheists like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens insist that religion is the most destructive thing humanity has ever created. Why then, has EVERY human culture created religions? Why have Communist regimes attempts to stomp out religion been such miserable failures? Why are religious people happier, healthier, longer-lived, and more stress tolerant?

Now, a belief in the divine is a scientifically demonstrable good thing–but a denial of facts is most certainly not. Living things evolve and change. Radioactive elements decay at fixed rates. All the evidence says our world is billions of years old. Explanations of how our world arrived in the state we find it today, with creatures now living, and fossils of creatures now extinct suggest that living things evolve, mutate and change. There is no way to prove that T-Rex did not get on the Ark with Brontosaurus, the Saber-tooth Tiger, the Mammoth and all the other millions of creatures we see today to survive a Flood that covered up even Mount Everest. There is also no way to prove that they did.

I am at a loss as to why a creation myth has to be taken as a scientific fact by some folks. I am also at a loss as to why some folks insist that the mystery and grandeur of our universe and our consciousness has to be written off as a pointless realm of speculation and belief if concrete answers cannot be discovered.

There is a middle ground between stridencies. We evolved to our physical forms. How and where we got our souls is a divine mystery. Let us learn all that we can about things that we can prove, and speculate, dream, believe and have faith in all the things we feel are right but can never prove. There needn’t be a conflict.

Posted by Nick | Report as abusive

Why do we place evolution VS God?
If evolution is the true and God is True, doesn’t is stand to reason that evolution = God? Or simply put, one subjects truth does not make the other subject false, does it? I believe that evolution is a natural process in which God has provided us to learn about His Story, get it HIStory.

Posted by charles stephen | Report as abusive

Gareth Connors gives the impression that he doesn’t believe in the Holocaust, which makes me feel that the Bright’s movement, whatever that is, is not for me.
Regarding evolution and the fossil evidence, however: Assume that God created the world some 5000 years ago, just as it is today, more or less. If that’s so, why did He plant evidence that could only be designed to mislead thinking people into concluding that (a) the world is much older (by orders of magnitude) than 5000 years, and (b) life forms have evolved over a pretty large chunk of that existence? Either the Creationists are mistaken, or God has lied to us. Which is more likely?

Posted by Thinker1950 | Report as abusive

Humans – the dumbest apes on the planet.

The primary differences between the Modern Theory of Evolution and a belief in supernatural beings is that Evolution is supported by an overwhelming body of third party verifiable, peer reviewed evidence, while the belief in supernatural beings is not. Secondly, the Modern Theory of Evolution makes accurate, third party verifiable, peer reviewed predictions, while the belief in supernatural beings does not.

There is a third difference. When a religious believer suffers a heart attack, stroke, ruptured appendix, or any other medical emergency, they are rushed to a hospital emergency room where they receive medical treatment based largely on the Modern Theory of Evolution — they are not generally rushed to their local church for emergency laying on of hands or other faith healing techniques.

It is hypocritical to benefit from all the wonders of modern medicine while trying to undermine the very science that makes it all possible.

Posted by Stephen | Report as abusive

Greetings all, from what I read, some of you might really enjoy this:

Science and faith might coexist beautifully were it not for political/religious extremism.

The creationism/ID lobby seeks to establish their sectarian interpretation of faith over physical evidence by promoting as science an astonishing religious error which actually contradicts the Bible!.

This teaching claims that evolution by natural processes, including what both creationists and ID’ers continually label “blind chance” (random occurrence), could only be “accidental”, and therefore godless. In this they agree with the atheist position.

Why this current marriage of convenience, agreeing with atheism against the Bible, in order to promote a religious agenda? Might it be because this heretical tactic permits them to deny the possibility of guided evolution through chance?

This startling and contradictory machination is carefully explained here:

Intelligent Design Rules Out God’s Sovereignty Over Chance

http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=34 289

“What proponents of so-called intelligent design have cynically omitted in their polemic is that according to Biblical tradition, chance has always been considered God’s choice as well.”

Posted by David White | Report as abusive

Stephen

You seem to forget that many of the hospitals from 1st century up to now are Catholic Hospitals. Catholic Hospitals existed before darwin. Bloggers also seem to forget the distinction between creationism and evolution. The former speaks of existence which is from nothing to something while the latter is from something to something. They also seem to forget that there is a difference between the word evolution and transformation. Evolution speaks of improvement of the physical, mental, and emotional dimension of a creature while transformation is a change of one specie becoming another specie. Insofar as transformation is concerned, this is very much improbable for if mokeys became human being, then there should be monkeys until now transforming into human being. But nothing of such scenario is happening

Posted by Daniel Rosaupan | Report as abusive

one need to look no further!

http://www.harunyahya.com/

Posted by akhter | Report as abusive

The impossibility of the formation even a single protein molecule by chance, falsifies Darwinism. The probability of formation of a protein molecule made up of 500 amino acids is “1″ over a number formed by placing 950 zeros next to 1, which is a number incomprehensible for the human mind. This is a probability only on paper. Practically speaking, there is zero chance of its actually happening. In mathematics, a probability smaller than 1 in 1050 is statistically considered to have a “0″ probability of occurring. : If any one step in the evolutionary process is proven to be impossible, this jis sufficient to prove that the whole theory is totally false and invalid. For instance, by proving that the haphazard formation of proteins is impossible, all other claims regarding the subsequent steps of evolution are also refuted. After this, it becomes meaningless to take some human and ape skulls and engage in speculation about them. It is very obvious that all the living beings are created by God.

Posted by Roger Penrose | Report as abusive

Hey guys,
Darwin is dead. Darwinistic Theory of Evolution is an outdated dogma. In every field of science there is design revealed, physiology in any living body shows parts working for each other, which can not survive by themselves alone. This is the key logic! If you are willing to hear from the research site, key figures are declaring the fact of creation or the existence of a creating power in face of the design in every detail. Francis Collins, head of the human genome project or Antony Flew (TimesOnline: “Sorry, says atheist-in-chief, I do believe in God after all”) are some examples.
If someone still defends evolution then he is not aware of the up-to-date scientific facts.
1) He thinks life can emerge from mud by chance (self organization nonsense). But Life cannot emerge by chance…The odds that an average protein molecule forms by chance have been calculated as “1 in 10 to the power 950, a figure that far exceeds human imagination. In mathematical terms, this figure represents a probability of “zero.”
(2) He thinks there are intermediate fossils but infact none! Although some 100 million fossils belonging to 250,000 separate species have to date been unearthed, not one supports Darwinism. All the fossils discovered belong to fully formed and complete life forms. However, if evolutionists’ claims were true then a great many out of so many fossils should belong to “intermediate life forms,” but not a single one actually does.
(3) “Living fossils” are a response to evolutionary myths…
Living fossils are proofs that refute the theory of evolution’s claim of “gradual development” in a particularly striking way. The reason why these are known as “living fossils” is that despite being hundreds of millions of years old, they are identical to specimens living today. There are living fossils belonging to a great many species, from ants to trees, and from bats to sharks. This represents definitive documentation that evolution never happened in natural history.
(4) The information in DNA…
The information regarding all a person’s characteristics, from their physical appearance to the structure of their internal organs, is recorded in a special coding system inside DNA. If we were to put down this genetic information in DNA on paper, we would have to construct a giant library of 900 volumes containing 500 pages each. This unimaginable quantity of information is encoded in the parts of DNA known as “genes.” It is an absolute fact that DNA cannot form by chance.
(5) Organs with irreducible complexity…
Irreducible complexity is a feature that invalidates the claim of gradual development lying at the heart of the theory of evolution. For example, eyes and wings possess irreducible complexity. It is impossible for the structures such as the tear gland, retina and iris, that together comprise the eye, to come into being individually in stages. That is because sight will only take place when all the components making up the eye are present and fully formed. The same thing applies to the wing.
(6) He thinks that there is a decend from primitive to complex life forms. However life emerged in All the variety of life on Earth appeared suddenly 530 million years ago…
Nearly all the phyla (Mollusca, Chordata and similar categories) emerged in the Cambrian Period, 530 million years ago. Only one or two phyla existed in the Pre-Cambrian, whereas more than 50 emerged suddenly in the Cambrian in various regions of the world. Pre-Cambrian life forms had only very simple bodily forms, while those from the Cambrian were incomparably complex. For example, there is no difference between the eye of the trilobite, a life form that emerged in the Cambrian, and the eyes of present-day life forms.
(7) Reptiles are not the ancestors of birds…
Evolutionists are no longer able to point to Archaeopteryx as an intermediate form between reptiles and birds. Investigations of fossils have shown that the creature is not a transitional form, but rather an extinct species of bird with slightly different characteristics to those of present-day birds. The presence of a breastbone (sternum) proving it had powerful flight muscles and an asymmetrical feather structure identical to that in present-day birds show that this animal was able to fly perfectly well.
(8) Fish did not move onto the land…
Evolutionists once used to point to the coelacanth as evidence for the myth of a transition from water to dry land. It was thought that the coelacanth was an intermediate life form between fish and amphibians. However, a “living” coelacanth was caught in the Indian Ocean in 1938. More than 200 other specimens have been caught to date. Analysis of living coelacanths has revealed that the animal is a flawless fish, and that all the previous conjecture based on fossil remains is completely false.
(9) Mutations cannot form new species…
Mutations are breakages and dislocations, caused by radiation or chemical effects, in the DNA molecule located in the nucleus of the living cell and that carries genetic information. DNA has a highly complex structure. For that reason, any random change arising in this molecule can only damage it. Mutations usually lead to irreparable damage, deformity and even death. People subjected to the tragedies of Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Chernobyl are living indications of this. The claim that mutations are an evolutionary mechanism is proof of the dilemma facing the theory of evolution.
(10) Natural selection cannot lead to evolution…
Natural selection means the survival of strong individuals best fitted to environmental conditions. But this does not give rise to new species. For example, in a herd of zebra threatened by predators, it is the fastest-running zebra that will survive, and the herd will gradually turn into a herd of fast-running zebra. But this process is a limited one and it will never turn the zebra into any other species. That is because their skeletal and muscular structure and physiology is recorded in their DNA, and the struggle against predators cannot change that information nor bestow any new genetic information on zebra.
(11) Human beings did not evolve, but were created as human beings…
It has now been brought to light that the human family tree is based solely on evolutionist imagination. Evolutionists maintained that human beings are the result of a gradual transition from “Australopithecines > Homo habilis > Homo erectus> Homo sapiens,” in that order. They gave the impression that each of these is the ancestor of the one following it. The fact is, however, that these life forms, which evolutionists’ regard as one another’s forerunners, are actually found alongside one another, which demolishes this fictitious family tree. The latest findings by paleoanthropologists show that Australopithecines, Homo habilis and Homo erectus lived at the same time in different parts of the world.
(12) All the fossil skulls proposed for the supposed evolution of man are false…
All of the fossils proposed for the myth of evolution belong either to apes or to human beings. None of them have any intermediate form characteristics. Darwinist categorization of fossils is based on their speculation on either extinct ape or human fossils. In fact, all the living things classified as Australopithecus and Homo habilis are actually extinct apes, and those classified as Homo erectus and Homo neandertalensis are extinct forms of human being.
(13) The history of evolution is full of fraud…
Instead of declaring the fact there is not one single transitional fossil, Darwinists have sought a solution in manufacturing fake fossils. These fossil forgeries have been displayed in the greatest museums in the world in order to deceive all of humanity. The most known of all these are Piltdown Man, made by attaching an orang utan jaw to a human cranium and exhibited in the British Museum for 40 years, Nebraska Man, reconstructed together with his whole family from a single wild pig’s tooth, the fake feathered dinosaur Archaeoraptor made by putting the bones of various living things together and exhibited in the National Geographic Museum, Haeckel’s fake embryo drawings, the peppered moths glued onto tree trunks, and the false equine series allegedly showing the evolution of the horse that was produced by bringing together totally irrelevant life forms that lived at different times and in different places and is still on display in London’s Natural History Museum.
(14) Darwinists have sought a solution in hiding the fossil record, which did not reveal a single intermediate fossil…
Darwinists conceal fossils. The reason for this is that among all the millions of fossils, NOT A SINGLE ONE supports evolution. Cambrian fossils that declare that the whole variety of life emerged suddenly some 530 million years ago with no evolutionary ancestors behind it, were concealed by an evolutionist scientist for 70 years. The oldest known fossil parrot, dating back 65 million years, which is identical to present-day parrots and thus refutes evolution, was hidden away for 40 years. There are still 100 million fossils unearthed from below the ground and that show that living things were created with all their perfect, complex appearances and have never changed since, that are being concealed by Darwinists.
(15) The complexity of the cell comes as a lethal blow to Darwin’s theory of evolution…
Darwinists are unable to account for the cell, which is a miracle with a complex and perfect structure that Darwin could never dream of in his own day. Many structures in the cell, such as energy production plants, protein manufacturing factories, freight systems carrying raw materials, decoders that translate DNA and communications systems are all in a constant state of flawlessly organized activity, and only a small part of these components are fully understood. The impossibility of even a single protein from among the hundreds of proteins that constitute the cell emerging by chance makes it very clear what a deception the Darwinist claim of the first fictitious cell really is.
(16) The Darwinist claim of vestigial organs is a deception…
Darwinist sources suggested that there were various functionless organs in living things and claimed that these organs were inherited from the supposed forerunners of the life forms in question. For example, the appendix and the coccyx in the human body were for years portrayed as vestigial organs by Darwinists. Scientific progress, however, has totally eliminated this rotten Darwinist claim. All the structures once regarded as vestigial organs have been seen to have their own functions. In the same way, the evolutionist concept of “junk DNA,” the claim that some sections of DNA are useless, has been totally discredited by new discoveries. It has been shown that these parts of DNA actually perform important tasks in the body.
These are scientific facts which have to be kept in mind before going on to a debate on evolution. Evolution is debunked by modern science, there is no way to be a dogmatic Darwinist anymore.

Posted by Johnathan Daybourne | Report as abusive

Hey guys,
Darwin is dead. Darwinistic Theory of Evolution is an outdated dogma. In every field of science there is design revealed, physiology in any living body shows parts working for each other, which can not survive by themselves alone. This is the key logic! If you are willing to hear from the research site, key figures are declaring the fact of creation or the existence of a creating power in face of the design in every detail. Francis Collins, head of the human genome project or Antony Flew (TimesOnline: “Sorry, says atheist-in-chief, I do believe in God after all”) are some examples.
If someone still defends evolution then he is not aware of the up-to-date scientific facts.
Evolution is debunked by modern science, there is no way to be a dogmatic Darwinist anymore.

Posted by Johnathan Daybourne | Report as abusive

someone insist on existing of transitional forms, could they please explain why evolutionists not able to show them to the public, or made some transitional forms by their hands and showed these on British Museum!!! Also Adnan Oktar said that if there is any transitional form series which show changes from one to other step by step changes can be observed in several fossils, than he would pay billion dollars to the man who showed this to him. Common be rich only by showing a few fossils. Why any of Turkish evolutionist’ scientist demand this from him? this offer was done a few months ago and no one demand this!!! Why????

Posted by Ali | Report as abusive

Somebody claims that the theory of evlotion would be true and is “crystal clear” because of the sufficiently found transitional forms. I read somewhere an announcement that Harun Yahya would have given some 2 million Euros to the one who brings him the so called transitional form :)

Posted by paul harnesh | Report as abusive

Darwinism nonsense is dead!!
All the evidences from all the branches of sciences prove an exalted creation.
A new era is coming. With the return of Jesus the world will be a peaceful arena without Darwinism and its natural consequences communism, fascism, terrorism, anarchism, racism etc. These pervert ideologies based on Darwinist concepts made the world a bloody arena in 20th century and caused 180 million lives. With the rise of religion and religious morality God will make 21 st century a golden age.

Posted by Roger Penrose | Report as abusive

Darwinism nonsense is destroyed by Harun Yahya. There is a poll from UK published in the Guardian stating that only 25% of British people believe in Darwinism. That means in few years nobody will believe in darwinism nonsense.

Posted by roger Penrose | Report as abusive

There is not one shred of evidence that you can point to that creationism is anything more than wishful thinking, further more there is not one SINGLE peer reviewed paper supporting your faith based theory, (yes I know all of the scientific community is against you… yawn). Just for comparison keep in mind here that there are many thousands of such papers supporting the theory of evolution, in fact there are even a couple of hundred papers on horse shit, I guess creationism, (ID whatever you are calling it this week), ranks even below that.

What is the next anti-science target for you wakos, flat earth, that the mentally ill are possessed by demons? We can only hope that people like you do not drag us back into a time of superstition and ignorance

Posted by The Genius Of Darwin | Report as abusive

how many copies of this atlas of creation has been sold worldwide…
cause i want to know how many brainwashed fools are walking freely among our society.

Posted by vijay krishna | Report as abusive

We can argue this for days..month.. years.. the mankind always argued this. But now it’s different.. you lost accept it.. I’m sure you all know Harun Yahya. You also read his books? Or are you just know him by evolutionist and atheist people. Come on man.. you only have to think serious for hmm 10 seconds.. You can’t base specified complexity in a living system on coincidences.. What’s coincidence? What can coincidence do? Let me answer it NOTHING…

in 10 years you can find Darwin only in a museum..

So you guys think in a quagmire somehow proteins are beginning to appear(which is impossible) From these protein cells are made (which is beyond of imagination). From these cells there are some entities something that has an existence) appearing. These entities have eyes ears, etc. later they build big cities like Paris and London. In these cities they build a laboratory. And these entities created out of nothing (read people)are beginning to make research of themselves in a laboratory under a microscope that they also created self. And then they come together and say let’s see how it is possible that we have come so far. Let’s examine how it was possible to evolve from a atom in a quagmire to a living being like us. Let’s see how it was possible that we have gained information from this quagmire to make / protein / cells / chromosomes / DNA / RNA. ???????????HOW IT IS POSSIBLE THAT YOU GUYS THINK IN A SUCH PEGAN BELIEVE???????

All evolutionist people say everything was a miracle. Ok I accept that. But Who let this miracle happen? Coincidence they say. What is a coincidence! Come on!!! Be reasonable

How can atoms who can’t think make such complex and self-conscious LIVING BEINGS (read MEN)

So one day atoms says against each other, who do not see, not hear, not feel, not smell and who are not able to think, let’s come together and make a protein, it is very complicated and very difficult but let’s do it. And let us then make from a protein a cell. Let’s make bones and flesh around this cell and a let’s appear very wonderful system in this cell. Let’s put things as mitochondrion (energy plant of the cell) and vacuolar (protects, cleans the cell). Let’s put the chromosomes in the right place. Let’s then code millions of information in these chromosomes of this entity that we simply are creating.

A man has millions of cells and each cell has millions of separate information. How can this be created from nothing! Where this atoms get this information from! How do they know to code this information? again they say coincidence!!. ??????AGAIN HOW IT IS POSSIBLE THAT YOU GUYS BELIEVE IN A PEGAN BELIEVE LIKE EVOLUTION?????

The evolution deceit:
http://us2.fmanager.net/api_v1/productDe tail.php?dev-t=EDCRFV&objectId=974

Everything in these books is scientifically proved..

Here you can find much more books that’s is very interesting: (it’s al free:))
http://www.harunyahya.com/en.m_book_inde x.php

So read and see the truth..

Good luck in finding god..
Tip
You only have to look around

Regards,

Cengiz Eminov

Posted by Cengiz Eminov | Report as abusive

Ali; would this be the same Adnan Oktar whose cult is largely banned in Turkey and whose supporters face multiple charges for illegal possession of fire arms, blackmail and extortion? Would this also be the same man who has multiple charges of paedophilia hanging over him?

And he is the best source you can sight in favour of creationism?

Posted by Ray Miles | Report as abusive

Ray Miles, you comment about something you have absolutely no idea about.And as you know it is a crime to accuse people about things which they did not do. All people are innocent unless proven otherwise. If you don’t agree with that we can go to the Human Rights court and see what the jugdes there have to say about it.
With regard to you claims about Adnan Oktar being charged with Paedophilia, extortion and possession of fire arms; this is a big fat lie.Get me one court order that says these things.
Adnan Oktar is fighting for justice in courts for nearly 10 years.One court dimisses the case and another court decides to reopen it again.The case of Adnan Oktar is an example case study for law students all over the world, as it is the one and only example of a case where the judges decide against what the law states.
For those you search for the truth you can visit the web site of Harun Yahya and BAV to get detailed information about the cases.

Posted by mindo | Report as abusive

The Atlas of Creation is like a slap in the face of evolutionists. That’s why they try to scandalize the author with unproven claims.
Look around the world. Look at yourselves. Just when you read this entry, you heart beats, you cells die and regenerate,your body fights with disease etc and all these happen without your control. And all these happen in just the right way at the right time. Your heart is designed in a special way to filter blood in and out in just the right amount. Everything is with balance and measure. Life is not a coincidence. But you take it for granted.
There absolutely is GOD. There absoulutely is heaven and hell. Sorry but this is all true.

Posted by gokgok | Report as abusive

Evolution is one of the biggest fairy tales ever.

Posted by Avinash Machado | Report as abusive

people who dont believe in evolution WAIT for new and latest evidence to emerge.
there is still a lot of research ongoing and maybe they will answer the remaining questions. the way i see it i will see latest evidence published in newspapers and magzines all my lifetime.

Posted by vijay krishna | Report as abusive

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= GOOGLE PROMOTES
= DARWIN’S FINCHES –
= EVIDENCE OF INTELLIGENT DESIGN

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I’m so glad Google used “Darwin’s Finches” in their logo since they are evidence of Intelligent Design and not evolution. All the finches have the same genes, so there is no “evolution” from one beak sized bird to another. Designed in the finch is a regulator in the brain that releases the appropriate amount of protein to cause the beak to grown long or short. The same finch can have either a long or short beak – what an Intelligent Design.

Posted by N Waff | Report as abusive

Happy Darwin Day everybody!

Seriously though I think you should all read this http://worldismycountry.org/?p=93

Posted by Mr Jeeves | Report as abusive

Have you ever thought about the fact that you did not exist before you were conceived and then born into the world and that you have come into existence from mere nothingness?
Have you ever thought about how the flowers you see in your living room everyday come out of pitch black, muddy soil with fragrant smells and are as colorful as they are?
Have you ever thought about how mosquitoes, which irritatingly fly around you, move their wings so fast that we are unable to see them?
Have you ever thought about how the peels of fruits such as bananas, watermelons, melons and oranges serve as wrappings of high quality, and how the fruits are packed in these wrappings so that they maintain their taste and fragrance?
Have you ever thought about the possibility that while you are asleep a sudden earthquake could raze your home, your office, and your city to the ground and that in a few seconds you could lose everything of the world you possess?
Have you ever thought of how your life passes away very quickly, and that you will grow old and become weak, and slowly lose your beauty, health and strength?
Have you ever thought about how one day you will find the angels of death appointed by God before you and that you will then leave this world?
Well, have you ever thought about why people are so attached to a world from which they will soon depart when what they basically need is to strive for the hereafter?
Man is a being whom God furnishes with the faculty of thought. Yet, most people do not use this very important faculty as they should. In fact, some people almost never think.
In truth, each person possesses a capacity for thought of which even he himself is unaware. Once man begins to use this capacity, facts he has not been able to realise until that very moment begin to be uncovered for him. The deeper he goes in reflection, the more his capacity to think improves, and this is possible for everyone. One just has to realise that one needs to reflect and then to strive hard.
Someone who does not think will remain totally distant from truths and lead his life in self-deception and error. As a result, he will not grasp the purpose of the creation of the world, and the reason for his existence on the earth. Yet, God has created everything with a purpose. This fact is stated in the Qur’an as follows:
We did not create the heavens and the earth and everything between them as a game. We did not create them except with truth but most of them do not know it. (Surat ad-Dukhan: 38-39)
Did you suppose that We created you for amusement and that you would not return to Us? (Surat al-Muminun: 115)
Therefore, each person needs to ponder the purpose of creation, first as it concerns him himself, and then as it pertains to everything he sees in the universe and every event he experiences throughout his life. Someone who does not think, will understand the facts only after he dies, when he gives account before God, but then it will be too late. God says in the Qur’an that on the day of account, everybody will think and see the truth:
That day Hell is produced, that day man will remember; but how will the remembrance help him? He will say, “Oh! If only I had prepared in advance for this life of mine!” (Surat al-Fajr: 23-24)
The truth can be told to a person in many different ways; it can be shown by the use of details, pieces of evidence and by every means. Yet, if this person does not think over this truth on his own, sincerely and honestly with the purpose of comprehending the truth, all these efforts are useless. For this reason, when the messengers of God communicated the message to their people, they told them the truth clearly and then summoned them to think.
While God has given us a chance in the life of this world to reflect and derive conclusions from our reflections, to see the truth will bring us great gain in our life in the hereafter. For this reason, God has summoned all people, through His prophets and books, to reflect on their creation and on the creation of the universe:
Have they not reflected within themselves? God did not create the heavens and the earth and everything between them except with truth and for a fixed term. Yet many people reject the meeting with their Lord. (Surat ar-Rum: 8)
A man who reflects grasps the secrets of God’s creation, the truth of the life of this world, the existence of hell and paradise, and the inner truth of matters. He gets a deeper understanding of the importance of being a person with whom God is pleased, and so he lives religion as is its due, recognizes God’s attributes in everything he sees, and begins to think not according to what the majority of people demand but as God commands. As a result, he takes pleasure from beauty much more than others do, and does not suffer distress from baseless misapprehensions and worldly greed.
These are only a few of the beautiful things a person who thinks will gain in the world. The gain in the hereafter of someone who always finds the truth by thinking, is the love, approval, mercy and the paradise of our Lord, which are above everything else.
Harun Yahya

Posted by amel | Report as abusive

A remark on Ray Miles Comment on Harun Yahya.

Even if all the charges angainst him are true, In my opinion they are not but let leave that out of this.

Hypothetically, if Harun Yahya claims that 1 + 1 = 2 and proves that 1 + 1= 2. If he is convicted on the charges. does that mean that because he said it and proved 1 + 1 =2 , that because the fact came from a convict that now it is not true?????

Stop attacking the man. rather attack the infomation he claims. To use a football (soccer) analogy. Play the ball, not the Man

Posted by Adam | Report as abusive

Darwin is a big liar. I call everyone including those who are against creationism or follow Darwin, go and read the Atlas of creation written by Adnan (Harun Yahay). Darwins theory is a shameful act. It has been proved that there is no sigle evidence in favour of Darwins theory of evolution and we have a lot of proofs against it as mentioned in the Atlas of creation written by Mr. Adnan (Harun Yahya). Adnan is the man of the century. God has choosen him to bring people back to the right path and I believe its a golden opportunity for those who believe in God.

Posted by marifkhan | Report as abusive

Darwinism is nothing but an imaginative story written by amous story writter sir. CHARLES DARWIN. This story is widely distributed whole around the globe by his followers like RICHARD DAWKIN. Thanks to the imaginative power of Dr. EVOLUTIONIST HA HA AH HA A AH…..

Darwinists formulate their hypotheses based upon WHAT???? Their hypotheses cannot be verified by observations and experiments. Is this science?

Posted by maria joy | Report as abusive

Darwinism is a big dictatorship as global education… if we can talk about science understanding…what was that for listen creationists?

Richard Dawkins is a biologist and professor of the public understanding of science.

He wrote a critique of “The Atlas of Evolution” that was simply pathetic—no wonder he retired his post.

A little write up on this is found here:
http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2009/0 5/atheism-venomous-snakes-slippery-eels. html

All of the anti evolution brigade are so far away from reality that they live on a totally different planet. Anyone with knowledge of science and enough brains to be sceptical can demolish Harun yahya’s childish ideas easily. Yahya has to resort to fake fossils and misidntified fossils to even get close to an argument against evolution.
The fairytale is Yahya’s idea that he has gotten anywhere in trying to promote his superstitious twaddle over real science and reality.

Posted by Garry scholey | Report as abusive

What is reality my friend…
nobody with “knowledge of science and enough brains” can demolish his ideas.They tried but they couldn’t.They know that what Harun Yahya says is true thats why they are so intolerant with him and his followers.
You called his ideas “childish”-and tell me is there anything as pure as innocent as a child???
http://en.harunyahya.tv/videoDetail/Prod uct/12945/DOUGLAS_FUTUYMA_FLEES_IN_ROME

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