Comments on: Obama evokes church/state divide at National Prayer Breakfast http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/05/obama-evokes-churchstate-divide-at-national-prayer-breakfast/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: APGifts http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/05/obama-evokes-churchstate-divide-at-national-prayer-breakfast/comment-page-1/#comment-27836 Sat, 27 Nov 2010 19:30:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4106#comment-27836 While I am NOT a “churchgoer” (if that is what they
are called) and likely will NEVER become one —
I do feel a strong need to note that the phrase of
“separation of church and state” is NOT found
ANYWHERE at all WITHIN ‘THE American
CONSTITUTION’ (or ANY of its Amendments).

The Phrase of “Separation of Church and
State” is a statement that was taken out
of ‘The Federalist Papers’ (which, by the
way, are NOT the governing documents
of the United States of America) — and it
was actually based on a Biblical teaching
of Jesus Christ in His statement about
“rendering” (i.e. “separating”) things
unto ‘Caesar’ (i.e. the government)
that belong to ‘Caesar’ and things
unto ‘God’ (i.e. “religion”)
that belong unto ‘God’.)]

In today’s modern world, the phrase of
“Separation of Church and State” has
now become an over-used statement
that’s more akin to a worn-out cliché
that’s preferred by uninformed people who …

1) are unaware that ‘European History and
Eurocentric Viewpoints” simply do NOT
represent every group on the planet.

[i.e. Everyone on the planet has NOT experienced
being “Persecuted” by ‘The Church’ of Europe — but
rather — some of the rest of us have been (and are yet
still being) “persecuted” by ‘the mosque’, ‘the temple’,
etc. systems — that are found elsewhere on earth and
everything does NOT revolve around the history,
viewpoints and experiences of the Europeans.]

2) by “SINGLING OUT” the so-called “church”
(rather than by simply using a more generic, neutral
and, dare I to even say, a more culturally-inclusive
phrase such as that of “Religion”) — it REVEALS
(especially to anyone who is a not a “christian)
that one is quite solely, specifically, and directly
‘TARGETING’ the ‘Christian’ faith for “separation”
— and THAT is a form of DOUBLE-STANDARD
and HYPOCRITICAL BIGOTRY that rivals that
of the radical “religious right” found worldwide.

3) by “SINGLING OUT” the so-called “church” for
“separation” — it opens the door for non-christian
religions to add their religious practices into the
American government system by using the simple
“recant” of “we are not part of “the church” and thus,
you cannot target us for “separation” from ‘the state’”.

As a result of this convenient ‘”recant”, many American
public schools and government offices have now found
themselves being required to add “religious” symbols
(ex. ‘muslim prayer rooms’) due to the ‘convenient’ fact
that they are not associated as being ‘church’-related.

This is just one of the many reasons that I feel that
certain Americans really need to understand that —
their action of singling-out ‘a symbol’ (the “church”)
of a specific religious group (‘christianity’) for being
THE specific ‘Target’ of “Separation” (much to the
exclusion of the many other religious groups found
in the nation) —- 1) comes across to many people
as being BOTH an overbearing attempt to try to
enforce a “freedom” FROM religion AND also as
a type of “persecution” (if I dare say) against that
specific religious faith, practice and teaching AND
2) it also leads to many of the non-‘church’ religious
groups feeling as if they have a ‘loophole’ in which
they can force their practices onto the government
(i.e. “we are NOT ‘a church’, so we CAN do this”).

Currently, in parts of Europe, the Muslim faith is THE
specific TARGET of secularization — and in America,
clearly the Christian faith is THE TARGET of the same.

Sadly, all of this TARGETING (against specific religious
groups and teachings) is being done “in the name of our
secular freedom” (just as in the past, ‘secular freedom’
was targeted by some religions “in the name of God and
holiness”); it makes the TARGETED group look and feel
as if they are being “persecuted”; and, it is simply leads
to a hatred and contempt for the targeted religious group
(which can lead to ‘reactionary-radicalization’ and / or
even a sympathy-led “push” for “privileged treatment”).

So how about … if we all just PLEASE try to STOP using
the overworn, worn-out, clichéd (and dare I to even say
BIGOTED) phrase of “Separation of Church and State”
— and let’s all try to, instead, use a more inclusive
(and less “targeted” or “biased”) phrase such as
“separation RELIGION AND GOVERNMENT”.

Seriously, I feel we should all work together in order
to learn how to STOP THE religious-TARGETING;
to neutralize the terms; to let people practice as
they belive; to keep RELIGION and GOVERNMENT
(and NOT JUST ‘church’ and ‘state’) separate; and
let everyone live and let live — without ANY group
being hassled and / or specifically singled-out.

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By: ChrisThomas89 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/05/obama-evokes-churchstate-divide-at-national-prayer-breakfast/comment-page-1/#comment-23541 Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:39:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4106#comment-23541 This is stupid

OBAMA IS JUST PLAYING WITH PEOPLE’S FAITH JUST TO GET RE ELECTED AGAIN

HE IS A COMMUNIST

HOMOSEXUALS NEED TO GET THEIR BRAINS CHECKED

I AM A MAN AND I AM PROUD TO BE A MAN

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By: Anubis http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/05/obama-evokes-churchstate-divide-at-national-prayer-breakfast/comment-page-1/#comment-11249 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:51:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4106#comment-11249 Mr.Obama observed long ago political ambitions cannot be realized in this country unless you are Christian, married and have children. Secondly, appearances and image trump integrity and substance. I hope I do not sound overly critical of the man I voted for. To be a successful leader, one must win the support of all of the people. Ergo, be all things to all people. Gaius Julius was criticized by some and praised by others for the same approach.

I would submit political leaders are part sociopath, charming and manipulating their way through power. Precisely because most of us have a wallet mentality rather than a greater good outlook, we are divided leaving us with only sycophants or liars to survive the trials of nomination.

Perhaps many of the commentators are correct. We love our god but follow not his commands. Is it hypocrisy or denial? I sometimes wonder, is our god really green? Lately we all watch the stock market, banks, corporations and governments collapse with horror, anger or disbelief. Almost as if someone told us that there is no god. Have we put all of our faith in institutions of our making and the charlatans who run them?

Psychologists have long debated whether or not religious thinking fills a deep seated human psychological need or is simply a thought disorder. I don’t know. I do know humans need potable water, the ability to a acquire food, clothing and shelter. I also know as a society we have ignored the consequences of our actions that has landed us amidst these crisis’ we endure. Have we been blinded by our religion of economics and politics?

For civilization to survive we must sacrifice, find common ground, and the ability to abandon our sacred cows. To do this we must find in ourselves a genuine affection for our fellow man in order that we may unite and exercise reason and logic. I do not believe any or all of the world’s religions present and past can help us to achieve this conscious state.

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By: Wes http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/05/obama-evokes-churchstate-divide-at-national-prayer-breakfast/comment-page-1/#comment-10517 Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:32:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4106#comment-10517 I must admit and confess that, like Socrates, I know nothing about such matters. I suppose that, if I did, I would understand why someone would judge and condemn President Obama for suggesting that, following the command of our Lord, we are to love our neighbors, even when that love means respecting other people even when they do not agree with our particular beliefs, convictions, and commitments, even when that love means respecting other people when they understand important issues about critical matters differently from the way I understand these issues. As for me, I must admit my ignorance about such matters. I guess I don’t quite understand how the LORD intended for us to obey the command, or warning. to judge not that we be not judged. I apologize for so many apparently frivolous words, since I have nothing of great substance to add here. I would like to express appreciation to the moderators and others who may read this scribble for your kind indulgence. Thank you for the article that prompted my ruminations. Perhaps with information such as this article provides, one day I will hope to understand.

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By: Frank http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/05/obama-evokes-churchstate-divide-at-national-prayer-breakfast/comment-page-1/#comment-10387 Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:43:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4106#comment-10387 Mr. Obama is not a Christian as he believes there are many ways to God other than Jesus Christ thus he is a fraud. His abortion stance is further evidence of that. Anything he says will be met with a skepical ear from many of us who claim Christ as Lord of our life.

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By: brian lee http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/05/obama-evokes-churchstate-divide-at-national-prayer-breakfast/comment-page-1/#comment-10363 Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:07:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4106#comment-10363 yes let freedom ring eric but only if it is ringing to announce this return of the fairness act.have you signed the partition to get rush of the air?

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By: Ian Thorpe http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/05/obama-evokes-churchstate-divide-at-national-prayer-breakfast/comment-page-1/#comment-10271 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:05:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4106#comment-10271 In Britain and throughout most of the developed world we tend to mistrust politicians who talk about God.

From that p.o.v. this whole occasion was rather frightening apart from the mutual ego greasiong between The Obamessiah and Tony Blair whch was just nauseating.

Religion is the cause of most of our problems not the solution to them.

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By: prof. k. http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/05/obama-evokes-churchstate-divide-at-national-prayer-breakfast/comment-page-1/#comment-10269 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 13:10:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4106#comment-10269 One must not fail to remember that the first U.S. settlers were fleeing Christian RELIGIOUS persecution.

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By: Eric H http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/05/obama-evokes-churchstate-divide-at-national-prayer-breakfast/comment-page-1/#comment-10267 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 11:19:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4106#comment-10267 Brian, we are probably closer on some views than either would like to admit and that’s the point right? We’re never going to get out of this mess or in fact get along with the rest of the world until we reach some type of unity in this country. Of course I realize that you and others post these things to wind others up, not lost on a fellow partial mick like myself. Dialog is the only way to hash out and settle differences.
Testify all you want just leave me out of it. Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion right?

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By: Mohammad Zaheer http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/05/obama-evokes-churchstate-divide-at-national-prayer-breakfast/comment-page-1/#comment-10266 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 10:59:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4106#comment-10266 No matter what President Obama says some would never be satisfied while others would claim this quote is from “their” holy book and not from “your’s.” We nust give credit to Obama for his courage to acknowdge all faiths for their positive outlook and contribution to humanity. No other presidenr dared to do that. Obama’s reference to a hathis of Prophet Muhammad is admirable. Be he be a Christian or a Buddist does not matter so long people of all faiths can feel proud to be Americans.

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