Comments on: Jewish leaders speak of tensions before meeting Pope Benedict http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/11/jewish-leaders-speak-of-tensions-before-meeting-pope-benedict/ Religion, faith and ethics Sat, 23 Apr 2016 23:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Ian Logsdon http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/11/jewish-leaders-speak-of-tensions-before-meeting-pope-benedict/comment-page-1/#comment-11943 Tue, 12 May 2009 21:11:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4248#comment-11943 This jewish community needs to close the door on this matter. They need to take the last sip from their cup of sorrow, find their inner-children and give them hugs, and realize that to the rest of the world the window has long since closed the window on this matter. In other words; get over it.

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By: Billl http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/11/jewish-leaders-speak-of-tensions-before-meeting-pope-benedict/comment-page-1/#comment-10450 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:06:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4248#comment-10450 As a faithful Catholic, I am stunned by the anti-semitic tone of many of the comments on this issue. I fully understand that the lifting of the excommunications is not related to Bp Williamson’s rantings, so no need to lecture me on how the church works.

The canonical significance of the excommunications isn’t the issue anyway. The issue is that the Holy Father has made it clear that for a bishop to exercise jurisdiction in the Church, he can’t be a holocaust denier.

The Pope is correct. The church has been clear from the beginning that bishops should be of sound mind and beyond reproach (see I Timothy 3.2 and Titus 1.8).

Bp Williamson’s denial of a historical reality with mountains of evidence and actual survivors still alive is incredible. Couple this with Bp Williamson’s belief in 9/11 conspiracy theories, his bizzare pronouncements about such subjects as The Sound of Music (he thinks it is moral rot with “all the elements of pornography”), women in college and women wearing pants, and one has to at least question Bp Williamson’s mental stability.

Keep in mind that Bp. Williamson’s holocaust denial is not “merely an opinion about history” as some have suggested. Bp Williamson is on record as saying that the Jews manufactured holocaust stories to gain sympathy for themselves, and are actively working to prepare the throne of the AntiChrist. Bp. Williamson has also said that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (a notorious and long-discredited Tsarist forgery) are true. These pieces add up to genuine anti-semitism. An anti-semite is certainly not “beyond reproach” and while he could be a member of the church (we’re all sinners), would not make a good bishop.

Of course, Bp Williamson already a bishop (validly, but illicitly ordained), so the Pope is doing the smart thing by restricting Williamson’s faculties.

Bp Williamson can clear all this up by recanting his holocaust denial, but just as important, repenting of and distancing himself from his other anti-semitic statements.

Don’t blame “the Jews” for a problem that has been simmering in our own backyard. I am very thankful for our Holy Father and pray for the full reconciliation of the SSPX clergy and laity.

Thanks,

Bill

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By: jd http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/11/jewish-leaders-speak-of-tensions-before-meeting-pope-benedict/comment-page-1/#comment-10439 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:21:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4248#comment-10439 dr russell: as a jewish protestant, i find amazement and amusement with you stating that holocaust denial is not an issue of morals. my understanding of scripture finds genocide immoral – how about yours? as for faith, i always thought the rcc believed the pope to have a fios connexion to heaven; how then does a bishop get to remain in good standing and reject an oecumenical council? finally, my understanding of the relevant nt passages on qualification for church office requires a man to be blameless; denying the holocaust is on par with belief that elvis lives, and such deniers are thereby morons and should not hold office in the church…or state…or be allowed to vote, drive motor vehicles, or handle sharp instruments

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By: Hirotimi Takemitsu http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/11/jewish-leaders-speak-of-tensions-before-meeting-pope-benedict/comment-page-1/#comment-10437 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:32:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4248#comment-10437 These Jewish people should understand that they can’t dictate to the Pope.
They can’t slander his good name, his reputation, his motives, actions, and his entire reign as Pope (calling him a hypocrit, and a liar like some Jews in Germany did), and expect to be given a warm and empassionate welcome and embrace.
Very many Catholics are furious at the Jewish outburst, and at the insulting and defamatory rhetoric hurled by many of the Jewish representatives, especially Rabbis, in Israel and elsewhere.
Jews should learn to mind their own business about the Catholic Church.
It’s not of their business to demand anything of the Pope, eitiher about the issue of the Holocaust, Bishop Williamson, the SSPX, or the canonization process for the great Pope Pius XII….which is on track and on scheduel and close to happening regardless of Jewish complaints.

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By: Kevin Hoover http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/11/jewish-leaders-speak-of-tensions-before-meeting-pope-benedict/comment-page-1/#comment-10433 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:37:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4248#comment-10433 The chutzpah of these Jews is quite staggering!

How dare they interfere in internal Catholic affairs? But, as we all know, nature abhors a vacuum and Vatican II did just that. It created vacuum and the Jews are filling it.

The self-destructive drive towards ecumenical dialogue, (as E. Michael Jones has repeatedly pointed out) has been little less than a one-way stream of Jewish attacks on ‘alleged’ Catholic guilt for Jewish suffering followed by endless requests for forgiveness. What on earth did John Paul II think he was doing at Yad Vashem? How do you think God will judge those who falsely condemn themselves? What about John Paul II’s solemn prayers at the 4,000,000 million murdered plaque at Auschwitz, only find later that the official number was reduced to 1,200.000!

The scriptures are quite clear – Christians should go out an convert Jews to the good news, but we now find Catholic Cardinals openly stating the Jews do not need to be converted. Does it really come as a surprise that the Jews are now imposing an article of faith into Catholic dogma with their holocaust?

Let a priest (or Bishop, or Cardinal) support homosexuality – this is acceptable. Let him agree with the Jewish slaughter of human beings in Gaza, or in Iraq Lebanon, Afghanistan and Iran – who are we to judge him? Let him deny every part of the Nicene Creed and deny the very existence of God – and be regarded as a modernistic, free-thinking priest, an encourageable rascal who regularly appears on TV programmes as among the first to be consulted on ‘matters of faith’. “What a guy!”

BUT: Should the priest ask, in the mildest way:

“Are you sure that this building was a gas chamber? Where’s your evidence for this?”

Then the armoured legions of the pope will march against you, shoulder to shoulder with the Jewish inquisition, the millions of unthinking rabble driven before them, pitchfork and cudgels in hand, screaming their holiest hatred, fired by their most sacred blood-lust, as they pile up the tinder for the auto da fe.

For nowadays there is but one permitted faith, one universal religion- Holocaustianity. The formerly ‘Christian’ churches have exorcised Jesus Christ. As ALL the church leaders have avowed, the ONLY essential stipulation for membership of the church is one’s unquestioning belief – faith – in and assertion of the Holy Holocaust. The unforgivable, excommunicable sin is now heresy – infidelity to the only remaining tenet of the church- the magic ‘6M’.

Yes, the central dialogue is, today as 2,000 years ago, between Christians and Jews, but it is a culture war and will not be dealt with by brotherly ecumenical back-slapping. The Jews know this and we don’t and because of this we have created a vacuum that they are filling.

Given that the age-old Jewish Question has now become the Christian Question, I would, in conclusion, like to quote from Israel Shamir, an ex-Jew, converted to Christianity:

“Acceptance of Christ is the Final Solution to the Jewish Question”.

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By: Michael Santomauro http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/11/jewish-leaders-speak-of-tensions-before-meeting-pope-benedict/comment-page-1/#comment-10430 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:13:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4248#comment-10430 DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST

I wish to express my outrage that the Holocaust, unlike any other historical event, is not subject to critical revisionist investigation. Furthermore I deplore the fact that many so-called democratic states have laws that criminalize public doubting of the Holocaust. It is my position that the veracity of Holocaust assertions should be determined in the marketplace of scholarly discourse and not in our legislatures bodies and courthouses.

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By: Timothy N. Hunter http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/11/jewish-leaders-speak-of-tensions-before-meeting-pope-benedict/comment-page-1/#comment-10427 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:44:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4248#comment-10427 It is pointless for non-Catholics to attempt to impose their understandings of words and meanings on the Bride of Christ. The way of the world is foolishness and that world will never be reconciled to the Way, the Truth and the Light. It is for men, rather, to be reconciled to Christ, in whom all things are possible. If others wish to show respect for Catholic doctrine and to recommend courses of action – let them become Catholics. Elsewise, they should tend unto their own flocks.

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By: Mike http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/11/jewish-leaders-speak-of-tensions-before-meeting-pope-benedict/comment-page-1/#comment-10423 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:09:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4248#comment-10423 There seems to be a lot of confusion among non-Catholics. The two issues regarding the lifting of the excommunications and Bishop Williamson’s statements are COMPLETELY separate. The comments made in this article show a level of ignorance among the people interviewed. If you want people to better understand how wrong Antisemitism and Holocaust denial is, then please make an attempt to understand how the Catholic Church functions.

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By: anastasia http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/11/jewish-leaders-speak-of-tensions-before-meeting-pope-benedict/comment-page-1/#comment-10413 Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:38:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4248#comment-10413 The people who are writing these comments do not seem to understand. This is not an opinion about what they may think, but what they are required by their faith to think. The sooner the people who are writing these comments get it through their heads, the better it will be for them. This is not a suggestion by the pope. It is an Order. The SSPX is complying with this order, and the order is for you too to comply too, if you wish to remain in your religion.

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By: James C. Russell http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2009/02/11/jewish-leaders-speak-of-tensions-before-meeting-pope-benedict/comment-page-1/#comment-10411 Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:52:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/?p=4248#comment-10411 It is totally inappropriate and more reminiscent of the Inquisition than the Second Vatican Council for the Vatican to attempt to coerce Bishop Williamson to “recant” his sincerely held historical and technological opinions. (http://svtplay.se/v/1413831/webbextra_l angre_intervju_med_williamson)

This is not a matter of faith or morals, but of history, technology, and now, politics. There is no “doctrine of the extermination” to which Catholics must give the assent of faith.

By their successful campaign to pressure the Pope to succumb to their demands, Jewish organizations have displayed an extraordinary degree of power and influence. The whole affair calls to mind a 1966 article from Look magazine entitled “How the Jews Changed Catholic Thinking.” (http://www.fisheaters.com/jewsvaticanii .html)

It is ironic that Francis Cardinal George, the President of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, has joined the chorus of support for Jewish demands. In an October 2007 interview he dared to suggest that there be some reciprocity by Jews in interfaith matters.

Cardinal George said: “It does work both ways. Maybe this is an opening to say, ‘Would you care to look at some of the Talmudic literature’s description of Jesus as a bastard, and so on, and maybe make a few changes in some of that?’”

As one might expect, the only concession to this mild suggestion was made by Cardinal George himself when he meekly backtracked on his initial comments. (http://ncrcafe.org/node/1384)
 
“Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.” John 20:19

— James C. Russell, Ph.D., Historical Theology, Fordham University jim@jamescrussell.com

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